| Feb 24, 2006 @ 11:20 PM |
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Empath
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torees: I am interested in Wiccan beliefs and values. What is the core belief of your sect?
Pete: The reason I asked about the soldiers is.....
If the rhythm of the footsteps of a troop of soldiers can crumble a bridge, it would follow that a larger, and I am talking vast here, resonance could crumble say, a planet?
If all the different therapies use positive energy, and that energy is capable of healing, what is negative energy capable of doing? Do you see where I am going here?
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| Feb 24, 2006 @ 11:26 PM |
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Pete73052
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Pete: The reason I asked about the soldiers is.....
If the rhythm of the footsteps of a troop of soldiers can crumble a bridge, it would follow that a larger, and I am talking vast here, resonance could crumble say, a planet?
Yes, I suppose a larger resonance could crumble a planet IF the planet and the resonance resonated at the same frequency.
If all the different therapies use positive energy, and that energy is capable of healing, what is negative energy capable of doing? Do you see where I am going here?
Yes, but I'm not sure I agree with the ideas of "positive" and "negative" energy. I believe energy is energy - neither positive nor negative - it's just a push. It's like if I push you on a swing, or if I push you in front of a bus - the push is the same - but the intention behind the push is what makes the difference. So let's give energy a reprieve and direct our focus on intention, and what this means to us.
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| Feb 24, 2006 @ 11:33 PM |
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Jankia
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I know nothing about what you folks are talking about but I do come back to read.
I just wondered.
You were speaking of the resonance of foot soldiers walking across a bridge.
You probobly know that it only takes the resonance of one dog walking across a bridge to cause the bridge to collapse.
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| Feb 24, 2006 @ 11:42 PM |
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Pete73052
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Or the resonance of a voice to shatter a wine glass. It just has to be the RIGHT resonance.
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| Feb 24, 2006 @ 11:45 PM |
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waterfire
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Hi
WHat interests me is the openness of a person that searches, no matter the path. 
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 12:05 AM |
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Pete73052
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Absolutely. We aren't talking about any particular path here. My searches have put me in touch with many "paths" people recognize by name. The destination is the same - any path that you feel comfortable with will lead you there eventually.
I have to sign off tonight - some "negative" energy on other threads... 
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 4:43 AM |
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Humpe
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Hard to meet any particular claim here since no clear one is made but I'll start my mantra anyway:
Double blind tests, double blind tests, double blind tests..... 
Acupuncture do not do very well in a controlled test and most of the modern alternatives do just as bad.
/H
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 5:20 AM |
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Humpe: Ever tried to walk through a brick wall? Wouldn't happen, would it? In order for energy to travel, it must have an open pathway, and I don't believe a room full of disbelief is conducive to the 'flow' of energy (for if one is trying to prove that something exists, there must simultaneously exist the thought that it does not exist).
Pete: What is the theory behind Magnetic Therapy?
I'll probably get a good laugh tomorrow, when I re-read this, because I am soooo tired the toothpicks have punctured holes in my eyelids. Hope I somewhat made sense here.
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 10:08 AM |
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Pete73052
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Pete: What is the theory behind Magnetic Therapy?
Apparently, it's the placaebo theory. Remember, the act of observing affects that which is observed.
The theory is that each organ and tissue in the body has a resonant frequency... a resonance that is correct for that organ - a resonance that it responds to. When an organ or tissue (I'll just use organ from here on to save typing) - when an organ enters pathology, magnetic resonance of the correct frequency is applied to the organ to pull it into the correct resonance - health.
Again, this treatment has been used successfully for years on animals as well as humans. Animals don't know about double-blind tests. Racehorse trainers are not easy people to fool... they don't pay good money for such treatments if they don't see results.
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 10:38 AM |
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Loreli
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This thread is great! I am very interested in hearing everyone's experiences in healing. I understand Pete's post concerning the body and healing and such. I had seen a chiropractor for years, a few times each month. I got turned on to an Osteopath, and my first experience was very strange. He started at my toes and worked all the way up to my skull, using firm pressure to "realign" things-including my kidney, lung, hip and neck. I have not had to see any doctor for six months for my back problems.
My daughter is part Sioux Indian, and I became very interested in the Native American healing books. I have dream catchers, dream keepers, Indian horseshoes and medicine wheels. Do they work? I don't know. But there are very interesting stories behind the traditions, and my daughter's health is so much better than it was at birth. I also get caught up in the whole "reason for our dreams".
Great thread! I'll be watching this one! I think I could learn a lot.
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 11:14 AM |
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We seem to be discussing a variety of subjects here. "Web of light" strikes me as a meaningless phrase, as does a lot of phrases used when discussing paranormal stuff.
Vibration and resonance mean something to me and are entirely plausible. Can vibration/resonance heal? Well, a vibrating chair is relaxing, and I don't doubt that it is doing more than simply relaxing my muscles, perhaps healing the muscle tissues as well... or releasing the tension that prevents the body chemistry from healing the tissues.
As to some other subjects here, when someone tells me I need to believe something before it can work, they are probably blowing smoke up my butt, but I don't know that either.
I guess I am agnostic on metaphysical issues, just as I am on religeous issues. I'm not from Missouri, but show me anyway.
[Edited on 2/25/2006 11:32 AM]
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 11:16 AM |
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Empath
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Can I back up and ask what a double blind test is? I misunderstood your post, Humpe, sorry. 
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 11:21 AM |
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distressedjester
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Loreli
I am very interested in Native American healing. Would you be willing to explain a little bit more about that?
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 11:48 AM |
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Pete73052
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Double-blind tests are tests that are carefully constructed so that nobody knows the intended outcome in advance. I got this from the dictionary:
A test procedure in which the identity of those receiving the intervention is concealed from both the administrators and the subjects until after the test is completed; designed to reduce or eliminate bias in the results
So, for a test of prayer, as an example, 100 patients in a hospital - 50 are chosen at random and prayed over by people who don't know them or see them. The test is designed so the person doesn't know he is being prayed over, and the person doing the praying doesn't know the person he is praying over. Results would be gathered and impovements in one group would be compared to improvements in another. This method, BTW, is something some people would object to because "improvements" would be subjective in some cases.
Here's a link to a study like the one I mentioned above:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prayer.html
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 11:52 AM |
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Jankia
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Pete-Just last night I saw on the tube something about doctors having actual proof that prayer greatly increases ones healing.
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 11:53 AM |
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Pete73052
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I didn't see that - but have a look at the report I referenced... it says pretty much the same thing.
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 11:56 AM |
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Jankia
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It may of come from that report,if that report is considered proof I suppose.
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 5:00 PM |
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Humpe
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It may of come from that report,if that report is considered proof I suppose.
"The Byrd study, involving patients in the coronary care unit at San Francisco General Hospital, compared 192 patients who were prayed for by Christians located outside the hospital with 201 patients who served as controls [8]. The published report stated that the prayed-for group had fewer complications. However, the author's tabulation was not valid because he scored interrelated complications separately and therefore gave them too much weight. The average length of hospital stay, which was not subject to this type of scoring error, was identical for the treatment and control groups [5,9]." 
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/faith.html
/H
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 6:45 PM |
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Pete73052
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Yes, there's always two sides to the story... as we have seen here before.
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 6:54 PM |
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As much as I despise agreeing with Pete, the double blind test is proof.
Sorry Pete, I have to take your side.
There is so much hype out there including prayer BS.
If you want to see a great show, take a look at Penn and Tellers
iconoclastic look at alternative medicine scams. It's worth a look;
They also take Mother Teresa to task.
Not to say there isn't validity in alternative medicine and the power of mind phuck.
Double blind trials do exist and prove.
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