| Feb 25, 2006 @ 6:58 PM |
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Jankia
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Like I said the power of prayer is proven.
Those who cannot accept proof are simply ignorant.
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 7:09 PM |
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sciurusniger
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Actually, regardless WHY it happens, the placebo effect is exactly what we want.
Who cares if it is "mere" belief that causes the body to heal? Isn't that sort of righting of its own Self the best way to go?
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 7:24 PM |
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Pete73052
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Don't tempt me - I've turned a lot of guys around you know... 
So, trying to stay on topic - Double-blind studies are required for PROOF. Lots of people who use alternative approaches to medicine don't require such proof - the prefer belief, and sometimes belief, in healing, is as beneficial as proof.
Doctors today take a mechanical approach to the human body - if it's low on this, we'll add some of that. If there's pain here, we take the pain away by introducing some drug or combination of drugs into the body.
People who use alternative approaches to medicines see benefit in such wacky things as laughter, affirmations, prayer. People don't tend to use something if it doesn't work. If someone has a headache, and I use Reiki on them, or accupressure, or whatever, they will either have the headache or not when I am done. If they still have the headache, which, by all rights, every single one of them should have if these approaches don't work, then they're going to head for the Advil. Moreover, they are going to tell people that Pete doesn't know a thing about curing a headache. Yet, alternative approaches to medicine have been touted for 8,000 years (or so). If they don't work, then why would they be so popular?
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 8:27 PM |
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Loreli
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Jester-
As simple as Native Americans appeared to live their lives, reading some of the "folklore" or tales about the Great Spirits sounds like they all just did a lot of peace-pipe smoking.  But...to give them credit, that isn't the case. In fact, several of the Indian clinics nowdays have signs that state that tobacco should be used only in moderation (whatever that means is each person's guess) The Plains Indians believe in "wellness"- when the mind, body and spirit are connected and in balance. I mentioned my medicine wheel-it is a symbol of harmonious unity, holistic roots for human behavior and interaction. East-healthy minds, South-strong inner spirit, West-inner peace, and North-strong healthy bodies.
Most people understand the dream catcher and dream keeper theories-that of snagging the evil spirits from your restful state. Sioux peoples used the Sun Dance for tribal healing and connection with the Great white spirit. The horseshoe is meant to be hung open end up so that one's life stay filled with hope and health.
Oh, and one odd thing. Many tribes believe that diabetes and heart disease are "white man's" diseases, and do not treat them. The illnesses that they believe are a humans inner struggle with supernatural beings-they'll treat.
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| Feb 25, 2006 @ 9:37 PM |
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distressedjester
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Thanks Loreli,
Oh, and one odd thing. Many tribes believe that diabetes and heart disease are "white man's" diseases, and do not treat them. The illnesses that they believe are a humans inner struggle with supernatural beings-they'll treat.
That was interesting. I had no idea.I wonder if those diseases were unknown before Europeans came here.
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 12:18 AM |
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Empath
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Hard to meet any particular claim here since no clear one is made
It is not my place to say what is or what isn't, Humpe, for I have not yet developed the skills needed to practise any of the arts used to heal. I am, however, an empath, and am super sensitive to the energies around me. I started this thread, not to prove or disprove that any of these methods are real, but to discuss how they are practised ( for those who are not familiar with them ), and the potential of each one as a separate art. Eventually, I would like to take it even further and discuss the potential scope of a massive combined effort. Hence, my 'Web of Light'.
Chew on that for awhile, will ya! 
The theory is that each organ and tissue in the body has a resonant frequency... a resonance that is correct for that organ - a resonance that it responds to. When an organ or tissue (I'll just use organ from here on to save typing) - when an organ enters pathology, magnetic resonance of the correct frequency is applied to the organ to pull it into the correct resonance - health.
I will assume that magnets are somehow used in this method, otherwise the name holds no meaning, for me anyway. The reason I asked about the theory behind it, is because I am under the impression that magnets hold positive or negative energy. (Batteries also refer to + or -.)
My take on positive and negative are the opposite ends of a spectrum, or polarities. Like your dyed animal skins, red and purple, from the Bible. Any comment?
DistressedJester: I am investigating precognitive dreams for you, as it seems no one has any input on this topic. (I do so love to learn new things!)
Also, I would like to thank each and every one of you for your input, questions, and enthusiasm! Knowledge does come from the most surprising sources sometimes..... 
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 3:17 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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I started in the scientific side (being the engineer) - and started noticing things - like the dimensions of the Ark of the Covenant (one of only two objects that are dimensioned in the Bible) are Fibbonacci numbers and that its design is really an extremely large and powerful microwave antenna. Reading biblical descriptions of the tabernacle and the requirement to have dyed animal skins of red and purple, and the sacred geometry of the tabernacle and the positioning of the ark in exactly the right position within it, made me start to wonder about the significance of resonance. Why red and purple - the opposite ends of the visible light spectrum? Why would God insist that these nomads go to the effort of dying animal skins if it wasn't important?
Pete,
You've really peaked my curiosity. I find this to be fascinating. For some time, I've had this wish that someone would discover the lost Ark of the covenant.
I know of a duplication of the Ark of the covenant, and it is the precise measurements spoken of, biblically. However, I am certain it isn't made of gold, or whatever other elements were used for the original. Is it possible, if the Ark was duplicated precisely, it would be some sort of antenna/transmitter? Also, being that no one could touch the Ark, or they would die, do you think this has something to do with a sort of electrical current?
You also said there were two mentionings of measurements in the bible. I recall measurements, in cubits, of Noah's ark, and I thought there was the Tabernacle, and the Ark of the covenant. I've become very lax about my bible teachings.
I have a fantastic documentary video, filmed in Turkey, and it is in regards to the possible discovery of Noah's ark. The measurements of what they believe to be the ark are the same as those mentioned in the bible.
Sorry, I guess I'm getting off topic. This is a great thread! 
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 3:30 PM |
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Loreli
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DJester-
Not certain about that one. It would take me more in-depth study to find out the answer to why the Native Americans think that. Yet, I know that it was believed that the "white man" abuses his body with smoking, drinking, eating unhealthy, fast-paced living. My great-grandfather believed not to put anything in your body that wasn't meant to be. He farmed, fished, and hunted, ate what he grew or "caught", never took even an aspirin in his life. He "slept off" his colds and flus. He did not smoke or drink. He died of prostate cancer at 105. (I don't know if that's a "white man's" disease too-have never run across that)
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 4:21 PM |
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Pete73052
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I will assume that magnets are somehow used in this method, otherwise the name holds no meaning, for me anyway. The reason I asked about the theory behind it, is because I am under the impression that magnets hold positive or negative energy. (Batteries also refer to + or -.)
My take on positive and negative are the opposite ends of a spectrum, or polarities. Like your dyed animal skins, red and purple, from the Bible. Any comment?
Not positive or negative "energy", but positive or negative "charge". These terms are not intended to carry the connotations we give them when used elsewhere. We could easily say North and South when describing magnets. Indeed, the negative (-) pole of magnets is most beneficial to healing. They are polarities, of course, but don't carry the emotional inference we give them when we say positive or negative.
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 4:40 PM |
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Pete73052
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I know of a duplication of the Ark of the covenant, and it is the precise measurements spoken of, biblically. However, I am certain it isn't made of gold, or whatever other elements were used for the original. Is it possible, if the Ark was duplicated precisely, it would be some sort of antenna/transmitter? Also, being that no one could touch the Ark, or they would die, do you think this has something to do with a sort of electrical current?
The Ark is constructed of a wooden box lined both inside and out with Gold. The lid is only lined on one side. The thing that is not described is the configuration of the gold angels above the box. Those are almost certainly not like what we see in Raiders of the Lost Ark and other depictions of the Ark of the Covenant. One simple reason was the directive from God about graven images. The angel representations on the Ark would not have been sculptures, they would have been images on more-or-less flat sheets of gold - folding their wings toward each other - in a sense producing a parabola above the Ark with an opening in the middle. The configuration describes a powerful microwave antenna and resonator and yes, people who touched it could get severely hurt or even killed. The poles used to carry the Ark served as insulators to keep the Ark from contacting the people carrying it. IMO, of course.
You also said there were two mentionings of measurements in the bible. I recall measurements, in cubits, of Noah's ark, and I thought there was the Tabernacle, and the Ark of the covenant. I've become very lax about my bible teachings.
Yes, I consider the Ark and Tabernacle together, and, of course, Noah's Ark is the other object.
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 5:05 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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I'm loving this!
The sculpting of the angels makes perfect sense to me, because there is no detailed description of how to mold them. I can understand the antenna possibility, and we do know the poles were specifically used to eliminate direct contact with the Ark.
My next question would be, what was the purpose of the antenna/transmitter? Who do you think it was necessary to transmit to? I know the Ark was carried and reassembled throughout the 40 year journey to the Promised Land. I also know there was a section of the Tabernacle restricted to anyone but the priests. Could they have been communicating via the Ark? I'm not sure exactly where I'm going with this, but I HAVE wondered about various invisible waves and how they effect us.
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 5:20 PM |
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Pete73052
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My next question would be, what was the purpose of the antenna/transmitter? Who do you think it was necessary to transmit to? I know the Ark was carried and reassembled throughout the 40 year journey to the Promised Land.
Not the Ark, but the Tabernacle.
I also know there was a section of the Tabernacle restricted to anyone but the priests. Could they have been communicating via the Ark? I'm not sure exactly where I'm going with this, but I HAVE wondered about various invisible waves and how they effect us.
Microwaves are everywhere. The Ark may have been a way of collecting, amplifying and directing them. I don't know, or can't say who was communicating with whom. From an engineering standpoint, the constuction theoretically points to something that could have produced very powerful bursts of energy. Or, it was just a pretty box with handles.
Edited to add a reference:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/reference/ark_of_the_covenant
Toward the bottom of the page is another theory - it talks about the possibility that the Ark could work as a capacitor and that a discharge could be produced between the angels.
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 5:27 PM |
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sissycat411
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This thread is very interesting and enlightning.....thank you all for sharing your knowledge.....Pete and the rest have conversed on a level that all of us...not having personal knowledge....are able to follow and understand Thanks again
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 6:09 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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Silly me, Pete. Thanks for pointing that out. Of course, the Tabernacle was reassembled, and the Ark was placed inside.
I haven't yet looked at the link, but are you saying it is possible the Ark was used for 'receiving', rather than 'sending' signals? My assumption would then be, the signals were directed from Heaven--or--the heavens. I know this is all purely speculation, but it's very stimulating. Tell me more.
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 9:23 PM |
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Pete73052
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I haven't yet looked at the link, but are you saying it is possible the Ark was used for 'receiving', rather than 'sending' signals? My assumption would then be, the signals were directed from Heaven--or--the heavens. I know this is all purely speculation, but it's very stimulating. Tell me more.
Well, naturally, this is all very speculative - guessing about the function of an object that is only described in a few paragraphs in a document that is thousands of years old. What I am suggesting, however, is that the Ark could have been a device that stored microwaves or other energy and when the energy reached a certain threshold, released that energy in a burst. Of course we have no idea if this happened or what it would look like, but it could explain the references to cloud-like structures. I'd think if they were signals coming directly from God, God may have said "OK, Moses, turn left... no your other left..." instead of watching everyone go around in circles for 40 years.
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 9:44 PM |
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Pete73052
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I don't want to commandeer this thread. How about some others speaking up about their ideas? I'd love to know more about people's experiences with Reiki and other things we haven't even mentioned yet - feng shue maybe?
Thanks for that! My mother would have the precognitive dreams when I was a boy. I was trying to learn more about that. Is this a common thing?
I've had precognitive dreams and visions - but my son seems to be far better at this. He ask "What would happen if a plane flew into a building?" the day before 9/11. Weird, huh?
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 9:53 PM |
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Jankia
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Really?
Now thats freaky!
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| Feb 26, 2006 @ 10:05 PM |
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Meadowlark8
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Premotion or Not:...........
I was standing once on the front steps of Saint Patrick's
Cathedral in New York City one beautiful clear morning in
the summer 2001. You could see straight down
Fifth Avenue in the direction of the WTC (beyond the horizon).
I had this feeling, presence of my deceased Lithuanian grandfather
and almost as if I heard his voice...Well, well, well look down
there, I'm telling you it's just not safe. At that very moment, I envisioned a great mushroom exploding upward into the clear blue New York skies. I knew there would be a horrible disturbance and explosion at the end of the island and it would be during a clear beautiful day. I turned away and just shrugged it off as just one of those funny, mind getting the best of me moments...But, from that point onward, I decided never to take the Path Train through the WTC ever again from New Jersey.
I think you can say that there were probably many people who felt that way about the WTC anyway. Such a well known place worldwide it was if those workers knew they'd be sitting ducks.
But I never felt my grandfather's presence like that before.
Just one of quite a few experiences I've had in my life.
It seems to be a constant motivator on why I read so much on
Astro/meta-physical theories. Such an interesting topic!
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| Feb 27, 2006 @ 1:31 PM |
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Empath
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I don't want to commandeer this thread.
Although it may appear that you are taking over this thread, do not fear that Pete. To everything there is a rhythm, reason, and rhyme. The background you are giving us is vital to understanding how many of the healing arts work, if not all of them. After all, without resonance, or vibrating molecules, would anything even exist?
Others will bring in their knowledge and experiences as it is meant to happen. Call me nuts if you will, but I sense this to be true.
Feng shui would be an interesting direction, though? Anyone familiar with it?
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| Feb 27, 2006 @ 2:40 PM |
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Pete73052
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I've combined feng shue with sacred geometry and magnetic resonance concepts. But I refuse to talk about it until someone else goes first.
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