| Feb 27, 2006 @ 3:31 PM |
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Humpe
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Feng shui would be an interesting direction, though? Anyone familiar with it?
Penn & Teller did a test of it on the show Bulls*** (I can really recommend that show for you that are able to see it (It's avaible on the internet for the handy once too)). it didn't do very well. I've seen tests done on tv here too with the same result. 
Shortly the test was made by letting different Feng Shui consultents come and do their stuff in a room. After that they compared the results. The room didn't look the same one singel time, kind of strange since they all "know" what is the best location for everything according to the Feng Shui. Remember it was very expensive too.
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| Feb 27, 2006 @ 3:58 PM |
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Pete73052
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Penn & Teller are very entertaining. That's about it. Yes, of course they can find different feng shue people who will produce different results. If I went to 20 different doctors, I'd get many different diagnoses of what's wrong with me. If I took my car to 20 different mechanics, I'd get many different diagnoses of what's wrong with my car. I guess all mechanics and doctors are quacks.
Six seconds left to play, fourth quarter, ball on the 3 yard line, team is behind by 4 points. Let's see how many coaches would call exactly the same play... probably none. How about architecture. Given the same requirements by the family and the same conditions of the property, how many architects would produce the same home? With something as intuitive as feng shue, one would expect tremendous variation in results.
I saw their show on magnetic resonance, and they picked a total idiot to represent the science. He couldn't explain why it worked. Gee... why not pick someone who actually knows why it works, and then pick that apart? But then it's too easy to find the wackos... and far more entertaining, I have to admit.
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| Feb 27, 2006 @ 4:02 PM |
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soultry_one
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Well,it certainly is interesting.
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| Feb 27, 2006 @ 4:45 PM |
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Red69Sun
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Ah.......that just tells me where you are coming from then..........eh, if that sign did not make you think "Yin & Yang".... Either that, or double-entendres are a good thing........hmmmm?
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| Feb 27, 2006 @ 4:55 PM |
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mailorderannie
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Several years ago I was downsized in my job and went months without even an interview. After reading a feng shui book, I discovered that I didn't have a "career corner" in my home so I placed a water fountain where the corner should have been so the chi would get energized in that area. I also discovered that the litter box was in my prosperity corner ... no wonder finances were stinky, so to speak. Moved the box, ran the fountain as much as possible and within 2 weeks had a GOOD job. Crystals or the color pink in your romance corner can perk up your love life, wind chimes, water fountains and plants can all have positive effects on chi with each corner of each room and each corner of your home representing different areas. When you walk in a door, the corner near the back of the home and in the right corner is the romance corner...thought that would be the one of interest here 
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| Feb 27, 2006 @ 5:05 PM |
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suzieq0808
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Red, This is an online dating site. (Well, sorta -- some of us are still hoping.) These guys are definitely guys but generally behave as gentlemen. I am very much into Yin Yang; I've painted several. But I had the same thought as the guys about the 69 in your name.
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| Feb 27, 2006 @ 9:40 PM |
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Pete73052
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I got tremendous results just by painting my front door red.
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| Feb 28, 2006 @ 5:24 AM |
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mailorderannie
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Red door is another good one...maybe Elizabeth Arden knew what she was doing?
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| Feb 28, 2006 @ 6:47 AM |
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Empath
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Ok....just what does this red door signify, anyway??? 
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| Feb 28, 2006 @ 9:31 AM |
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mailorderannie
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Red door, not a red light AT the door, lol. Brings prosperity to your home.
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| Feb 28, 2006 @ 10:32 AM |
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Humpe
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If I took my car to 20 different mechanics, I'd get many different diagnoses of what's wrong with my car.
Thats just valid if the mechanics do not acctually find the problem. There is not 20 different ways to solve a known problem on a car. Either you replace the part or fix the part that cause the problem.
If the Fung Shui was really some sort of science, the optimal way to decorate a room according to their almighty system would be only in one way or it would not be optimal.
But I have to agree with you that Penn & Teller are a lot of fun 
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| Feb 28, 2006 @ 11:57 AM |
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Pete73052
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Thats just valid if the mechanics do not acctually find the problem. There is not 20 different ways to solve a known problem on a car. Either you replace the part or fix the part that cause the problem.
Yes - but solving the problem may have many approaches. Mechanics will usually use their experience and intuition to get a general feel of where the problem is - i.e. fuel, spark or air. If the problem is fuel, they can look at carburation, fuel pump, gas lines. If it's spark, they may look at spark plugs, coil, distributor, timing... and so on. This is what feng shue "consultants" do. They get a feel from someone who has a problem - say, lack of prosperity. There may be many reasons for this - bad business practices, bad attitude towards boss or clients, emotional problems, trying to live beyond one's means, freeloading relatives, etc. Each person who talks with a client may get a different feel from them about what is needed in their lives to bring them prosperity. There may be many different approaches to solving the problem.
If the Fung Shui was really some sort of science, the optimal way to decorate a room according to their almighty system would be only in one way or it would not be optimal.
You have to define "optimal" - and of course each "consultant" will vary in ability and technique. It's not as cut and dried as replacing the coil on your car. Certainly, each feng shue approach presented was not a representation of the "optimal" configuration. Some would certainly be better than others. Some "consultants" are experienced, some are still learning, some are frauds. This does not prove one way or another that there is nothing of value in feng shue - a practice that has, again, survived thousands of years of inquisition.
Getting back to our friends Penn & Teller, do you think they would have shown us two or three examples that looked similar - or only the ones that looked the most different? Do you think when they flashed them on the screen for us to see, they put similar configurations together or arranged them so that what we saw looked like the rooms were jumping around alot? Penn & Teller are very good at what they do - making people question what they see. It's no surprise that they can convince people of just about anything.
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| Feb 28, 2006 @ 6:16 PM |
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Empath
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Pete: Just wondering...is there more than one way to spell feng shui? 
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| Feb 28, 2006 @ 9:52 PM |
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Pete73052
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LOL! I haven't been paying attention - have I been spelling all different ways?  Sorry. I don't know the answer to your question. You're right - Feng Shui. I'll try to be more careful.
Google says feng Shuei, Feng Shue, Fengshui, Feng Shei, Feng Sui, Fung Shui ...Feng Shui - Feng Shui - and apparently Feng shue is common.
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| Mar 1, 2006 @ 11:10 AM |
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Empath
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Right after I posted the last entry, I went to my email and clicked on a horoscope email I receive daily. It suggested that I should keep my thoughts to myself to reduce opposition.
Ah, timing is everything!!
This is what I found on my search for NLP:
The Presuppositions of NLP™The ability to change the process by which we experience reality is more often valuable than changing the content of our experience of reality.
The meaning of the communication is the response you get.
All distinctions human beings are able to make concerning our environment and our behavior can be usefully represented through the visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, and gustatory senses.
The resources an individual needs in order to effect a change are already within them.
The map is not the territory.
The positive worth of the individual is held constant, while the value and appropriateness of internal and/or external behavior is questioned.
There is a positive intention motivating every behavior, and a context in which every behavior has value.
Feedback vs. Failure - All results and behaviors are achievements, whether they are desired outcomes for a given task/context, or not.
Neuro-Linguistic Programming™ (NLP™) is defined as the study of the structure of subjective experience and what can be calculated from that and is predicated upon the belief that all behaviour has structure. People such as Virginia Satir, Milton Erickson and Fritz Perls had amazing results with their clients. They were some of the people who's linguistic and behavioural patterns Richard Bandler built formal models of. He then applied these models to his work.
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Neuro-Linguistic Programming™ was specifically created in order to allow us to do magic by creating new ways of understanding how verbal and non-verbal communication affect the human brain. As such it presents us all with the opportunity to not only communicate better with others, but also learn how to gain more control over what we considered to be automatic functions of our own neurology.
taken from NLP.net
Red: Is this the NLP you referred to?
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| Mar 1, 2006 @ 11:35 AM |
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Pete73052
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NLP sounds like very good stuff. I think when we interact in society, we fall into patterns as we communicate. Those patterns, when continually validated (in our minds), become ruts and soon, we can't seem to climb out of those ruts. NLP sounds like a way of viewing those ruts in a different way - by changing the way we validate our communications, we allow ourselves to realize that the ruts are not really there and our extablished patterns of communication are invalid. The question is, is NLP simply another pattern, a different, albeit more positive, experience of communication that can lead us into positive but equally restraining patterns of behavior?
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| Mar 1, 2006 @ 2:38 PM |
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Red69Sun
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Thank You Empath for your time/interest here!!!
That was the "NLP" that I was talking about.......but I am interested if anyone has any "comments" about it......have they used it or are they practioners......general comments, good, bad, indifferent.
I found a fairly good site describing it if anyone is interested....http://www.nlpinfo.com/
I also came across a "good thought" for the day....one to ponder......I know I am going to "re-think" things........and consider this.
"Whatever I give attention to - wanted or unwanted - I am creating.
You were born with a magnificent (emotional) guidance system that lets you know, in every moment, exactly what your vibrational content is, which is being matched by the Law of Attraction.
As it is your desire to feel good, and your practice to choose good-feeling thoughts, only good things will come to you."
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| Mar 1, 2006 @ 3:42 PM |
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Empath
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I am not sure I agree that 'only good things will come to you', Red....but I do believe that when you commit to positive thinking, you are able to weed out the 'bad' things that come quicker and more effectively.
There are negative things that happen even in the lives of the happiest people, but those people cope with things in a different way than more negative people.
Or, I just had a thought here, maybe you are simply referring to the state of mind of the receiving person? If they believe that no harm can come to them, then none does? Even if another sees it as a negative, the first sees it as a positive, regardless of what it is that comes?
This line of thinking I could accept, for one is simply choosing to see the positive in everything. 
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| Mar 1, 2006 @ 4:02 PM |
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Red69Sun
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I just thought it was something "good" to consider.......I may not buy in to all off it, because bad things do happen to good people, etc.....but I think if you walk around thinking "doom and gloom" and back to all that vibrational level stuff earlier.........negative thoughts and energies are vibrationally "heavy" and sink and one becomes bogged-down, heavy, and a "bottom-dweller" vs all those light and fluffy good/positive thoughts and energies.........lighten the load and levitate you to new heights and opportunities........and light the path! 
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| Mar 1, 2006 @ 5:08 PM |
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Greystone1
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The problem I have always noticed with proponents of positive thinking is that they see only the two ends of the spectrum. You either think positive or you think negative. There is an in between.
Positive thinking doesn't always work, but negative thinking does and is to be avoided. That doesn't necessarily leave us with the other end of the spectrum.
Let's imagine that you are on the operating table and your doctor walks in chanting, "I can do it. I can do it." I can do it sounds a lot like wishful thinking. It lacks the 'ring of truth'.
What is the in between? "Yet" thinking.
Unless I truly know that I can do it, I say, "I can't do it... yet." This implies that I can become able to do it, which is almost always true. It works for me.
[Edited on 3/1/2006 5:16 PM]
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