| Mar 11, 2006 @ 10:35 AM |
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Pete73052
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So as I was saying in my previous post. If you are so sure it works and that it is so effective, how come you don't take the simple test and make 1 milion USD?
Randi isn't exactly making it all that easy to take home the million bucks. In the link below, 31 PhD's verified results that Randi would not accept as proof. Randi sets the rules for each individual (there are no set rules) and Randi, and only Randi, must be completely satisfied.
http://www.alternativescience.com/james-randi.htm
Under such conditions, I could offer a million bucks to anyone who could disprove the world is flat - and never lose a cent. 
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| Mar 11, 2006 @ 10:36 AM |
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Empath
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Like I said, not enough people (myself included) have sufficient knowledge currently to put to good use all that Mother Nature has to offer us in this regard.
I have a personal belief that for every single illness that the human body suffers, there is something that grows, or is produced naturally, on this planet to combat it.
I also believe that, as man soars forward with technology, the body strives to cope with all that is thrown at it. Nature is a machine built to evolve, but that evolution takes centuries. In nature's effort to cope, the illnesses that humanity now encounters are but radical changes in our DNA, in the body's effort to keep up. If we are only learning now that Juvenile Diabetes developed to prevent the body from freezing in sub-zero temperatures, what will we learn about other illnesses twelve thousand years from now?
I was so interested in the QT that was talked about earlier in this forum.. that I made an appoitment to have that done.. can't wait to see how that turns out.
Please do let us know how it goes!! Not just the final results, if any, but also the experience itself, okay? Please, please, please?????
I'm not exactly sure, but I'm betting that it's slightly longer than 100 years!"
Which is exactly why I cannot fathom how anyone can doubt natural healing.
Oh, I can hear it now....but people didn't survive back then as long as we do now....it's the invention of medicine that keeps us alive longer....Maybe so, however, what is the basis of that same medicine?? NATURE.
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| Mar 11, 2006 @ 11:04 AM |
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Humpe
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Randi isn't exactly making it all that easy to take home the million bucks. In the link below, 31 PhD's verified results that Randi would not accept as proof. [QUOTE]
Anyone knowing just a little bit about physics know there are no such things as a "free-energy" machine. And if there were, how come no one been able to show a working one? That would be the greatest discovery of all time (And would definatly give you the Nobel prize) if it was true and yet you never hear anything about it. This loose the focus of the thread but the example is poorly choosen since the 31 scientists obviously was wrong since the other milions of scientists don't agree or know anything about it.
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Randi sets the rules for each individual (there are no set rules) and Randi, and only Randi, must be completely satisfied.
This is the usuall arguments from the "other side" against Randi and his test but I must say I think it's pretty unfair. What should be taken as a positiv answer is agreed on before the test starts just as the protocol for the test itself (That way there is no need for someone to judge). I think that's a very fair procedure to let the test subject state the needed result for a success of the claim.
Here you can follow the ongoing test protocol discussions to see if there are anything wrong in them or the way they are made. http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=43&page=1&pp=30&sort=lastpost&order=desc&daysprune=-1
Sorry this got a bit of topic, back to the thread subjects.
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| Mar 11, 2006 @ 1:55 PM |
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Pete73052
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This is the usuall arguments from the "other side" against Randi and his test but I must say I think it's pretty unfair. What should be taken as a positiv answer is agreed on before the test starts just as the protocol for the test itself (That way there is no need for someone to judge). I think that's a very fair procedure to let the test subject state the needed result for a success of the claim.
Problem is - nobody can pass the test or agree to the results to Randi's satisfaction. If you say you have a headache - and I use magic to make it go away, and you agree it is gone - Randi says one of two things 1) you never had the headache or 2) you only think it's gone. Thing is - it doesn't matter if you actually had a headache, or if I did something to make it go away, if you no longer have a headache - who cares what Randi thinks?
Here you can follow the ongoing test protocol discussions to see if there are anything wrong in them or the way they are made. http://forums.randi.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=43&page=1&pp=30&sort=lastpost&order=desc&daysprune=-1
Sorry this got a bit of topic, back to the thread subjects.
Well, we could go back and forth on this - but really this thread isn't intended to be a skeptical debate thread (thanks for acknowledging that this is off topic). I'd be happy to debate this with you on a different thread. I think people are less inclined to talk about metaphysical things when they have to defend their experiences to skeptics. Not that there's anything wrong with people who are skeptical - it keeps us all on our toes. 
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| Mar 11, 2006 @ 10:01 PM |
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Meadowlark8
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The road block for full acceptance of homeopathic medicine
alternative is the problem of insurance. I'm not sure why HMO's do not cover nutritionist either. Isn't that preventative medicine?
I remember a time when my occasional Chiropractic office visits were not covered or very minimally on my insurance. From about 30 and onward in life you know what's off with your body and the correct remedy. Everytime I throw my neck or back out from the gym there's only one place to go. Nothing works better for me than a good back "crack" by Doc and a few jokes and political debates when I visit my chiro.
I've known some people successfully survive cancer through
following a homeopathic and macrobiotic diet. Neither one is covered by insurance, that's sad.
Myself, I'm trying to follow the "Eat Right for your Blood Type."
It's semi vegetarian (for Blood Type A only).....I'm not suppose to have sugar either,but hey tonight I baked a batch of chocolate chip cookies...I'd share them if I could y'all...
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| Mar 12, 2006 @ 3:37 AM |
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Empath
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Everytime I throw my neck or back out from the gym there's only one place to go. Nothing works better for me than a good back "crack" by Doc and a few jokes and political debates when I visit my chiro.
I went to a chiropracter once a few years back, and although it was interesting, I cannot say that I agreed with what he did. He twisted my body into several different shaped pretzels, and then very quickly 'cracked' whatever vertibrae was supposed to correspond to each respective pretzel (position).
Each time he 'cracked' my back, he literally forced my spine into the proper place.
Well, you know...I used to drive my siblings nuts when I was younger by 'cracking' my own back or knuckles. Guess what? Those same joints now give me problems with each shift in the weather.
For this reason I question Chiropractic Medicine. If someone can convince me that they do not 'force' proper alignment, I would be willing to re-open my mind to this alternative. I realize that some swear by it, but I just can't seem to convince myself that it is good for the body.
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| Mar 12, 2006 @ 8:27 AM |
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catalyst157
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If someone can convince me that they do not 'force' proper alignment, I would be willing to re-open my mind to this alternative.
There are many different schools of Chiropractic. My girlfriends husband went to a "straight" chiropractic school. He does not like to twist the spine. He says.. that over time.. it's too much wear and tear on the vertebra. He uses a different method. You don't always have to hear that "pop" to get a good adjustment.
And like another poster... there's nothing like that "AH" feeling after you've gotten a good adjustment.
And I will let you all know how it goes with the QT. If all goes well I'll take the course in June.
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| Mar 12, 2006 @ 12:09 PM |
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distressedjester
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Empath :
I went to a chiropractor once a few years back, and although it was interesting, I cannot say that I agreed with what he did. He twisted my body into several different shaped pretzels, and then very quickly 'cracked' whatever vertebrae were supposed to correspond to each respective pretzel (position).
Each time he 'cracked' my back, he literally forced my spine into the proper place.
The best chiropractor that I ever went to see never forced anything. If the spine is out of alignment, then it will naturally want to pop back into place. If there is swelling in the muscle, which is putting pressure on the spine, then the Chiropractor should wait for that swelling to dissipate before continuing treatment. Forcing things into alignment can cause a lot of pain and can make things worse. Chiropractic visits can be very beneficial when done correctly. Just like with a regular MD, you should shop around for a good chiropractor.
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| Mar 12, 2006 @ 1:55 PM |
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beachnutRU
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Chiropractic visits can be very beneficial when done correctly. Just like with a regular MD, you should shop around for a good chiropractor.
Eggzakly.....DJester.
Empath don't give up on the experience of something because of a bad experience.......what would that say about this site or a past love affair. Hmmmm well I had a bad experience with a woman I guess I won't do that again!!!
Luckily I have a chiro man associated with the place I work. He adjusts me all the time and uses the most unusual method. Its great takes 10 seconds. It just moves things around so I can get rid of stress. It gets wedged up in my body. Someimes I am a real stress bunny at work he frees me up.
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| Mar 12, 2006 @ 4:04 PM |
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Red69Sun
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Empath - There are definitely different schools of Chiropractioners out there. If they hurt you and you feel more like a pretzel and sit in fetal position after treatment........that's not the right one for you....it's not supposed to hurt more after than when you started (and it can happen).
Some use fancy tables that move and bend, others use a "thunker" thing that kind of looks like a syringe and makes a popping thump to specific areas and they can set the spring in it to thump harder or softer depending on the depth and need. Then there are the ones that do hands' on manipulation and there are various levels and techniques of that too.
Using a combo of Chiro and Massage Therapy is a grand thing to get the muscles and bones in the "correct" place and moving together in unison.....and it is a grand............"AHHHHHH" feeling.
I have heard some good things from the Rolfing advocates too. Personally, I haven't tried it......but I have seen some "dowager humps" go away after the spine was re-aligned.
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| Mar 13, 2006 @ 2:18 PM |
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Empath
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Thanks for trying, all, but....well...nope...I think I will stick with my stretching. Maybe I am just lucky, but so far there is nothing that a really deep stretch won't help.
I could definitely use a little help to get my hips re-aligned though...this is something that has been giving me trouble for twelve years now, and at times can make it difficult to walk for any length of time.
And if anyone would like to perform massage therapy on me.....oh man....I'm all yours!! Oh....and that is one favor I know how to return!  
(I am sooo nervous whenever I use these smilies now!!)
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| Mar 13, 2006 @ 3:00 PM |
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catalyst157
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I could definitely use a little help to get my hips re-aligned though...this is something that has been giving me trouble for twelve years now, and at times can make it difficult to walk for any length of time.
getting a chiropractor to adjust my hips correctly was why I changed chiropractors. It's not just a side to side adjustment... it's also a front and back... and it's helps!
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| Mar 13, 2006 @ 9:10 PM |
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Meadowlark8
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Getting back on the train of Feng Shui, if you want to spice
up your love life, put red sheets or a blanket on your bed.
Lots of romantic pictures of "Two People" enraptured with
each other. Never have your bed under a window, your
feet bottoms facing straight out a door. This depletes the "Chi"
(pronounced key) energy of your body. A remedy would be a
wind chime to slow the chi down. And yes the color red, flowers (never silk or dried!) rose quartz in your "Romance"
area is very helpful in jump starting your love life, or at least throw
a few sparks back in it.
When you first entire your home, the wall facing the front door is know as the "Wall of Fame". To enhance your reputation/fame within your circle, in Feng Shui they suggest
this is the place to hang your best photographs of you and your family, Diplomas, Awards, Art work you've created or projects you are proud of .
Here's basically how in Feng Shui your house is set up with
chi. From just stepping in your front door:
1. Directly to the right is the "Helpful People Area".
This is where you would light a cancle for a prayer,
angel ornaments/statutes or religious objects are best
here. A water fountain and or growing plants are also
helpful here. Feng shu practicioners recommend a
silver box or envelope. This is used for you to write
your prayers, wishes, goals, place it in the box as a
center of focus.
2. Directly on the left is the career area. This is the place
for keeping your books, papers, relating to your schooling
or career. A plant or water fountain is also good here too.
3. The rear right of your home is the romance area.
The color red, rose, pink are great and anything with flowers,
rose quartz, crytal candle holders etc. Use your imagination.
4. The rear left is your prosperity corner. Woe to the one who
had a bathroom and toilet here! Your finances are getting
flushed down the toilet. (smile) Hang a wind chime in front
of the bathroom doorway to slow the chi here.
But anyway those are a few things I picked up.
A great put that puts everything in laymen's terms
(almost a Feng Shui for Dummies type book) is called:
"Move your Stuff, Change Your Life." By Karen Rauch Carter.
Fung Shui for accessing love, money, respect, happiness...
Hmmmm, we could all use a dose of it all right!....
Right now the big thing in "New Age" reading is all about
Positive Corrective Thought Processing. Dr. Wayne Dwyer,
Mary Ann Williamson, Eckhart Tolle all hit on this concept.
However, the absolute best book out this, in my opinion,
is a great little instructional book on "Setting Intentional Thinking".
It's called "The Smart Spot" by Dia North.
If you was to experiment on changing your mind to think more
positively and move towards manifesting goals through the power
of positive thought, this is the book. It walks the reader through
the 4 steps towards setting intentions and using intuition to achieve
personal success. It's a daily practice, but I've achieved
two graduate degrees and teaching certifications (while going through divorce, 2 family deaths, moving and a major change of careers). It helped me succeed tremendously since November 2001. Most people tell me your a strong woman to achieve that in a short time. I just say, read "The Smart Spot and remain focused on your goals...
Have a good evening all....
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| Mar 13, 2006 @ 9:58 PM |
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Red69Sun
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Mahalo Medowlark.........that was some wonderful Feng-Shui insight! Thank you for sharing!
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| Mar 13, 2006 @ 11:20 PM |
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Meadowlark8
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You're welcome!
I've read a few Feng Shui books. The one I recommended
is the best and simpliest with lots of diagrams, problems and
how to solve them, by each room.
Here's something funny though:
I was thinking..."What happens to the poor person that hasn't
accomplished something or a loner, loser?
Would their Wall of Fame, be a, "Wall of Shame"?"
Ha, ha, ha! just having some fun with this all!
For those who may read "The Smart Spot". Just a caveat,
always works on setting intentions for small goals first.
In other words, don't practice your first intention on
becoming the Mayor of your City, or Winning an Olympic Gold Medal. It all comes at a gradual pace of practice.
Here's an example:
Negative thought patterns, in setting intention or prayer:
Prayer: Dear God/Goddess, please, please don't let my house burn down while I go away on vacation. Don't let me return with it burnt to the ground.
Setting an Intention/Prayer threw Positive Thought Pattern:
My intention is having my home protected with the white light and love of God. This light surrounds my home and protects it now and while I'm on vacation. Thank you for this here, now and always.(Always think of gratitude, positive appreciation attracts more positive.) So be it and so it is. Amen.
Visualize, think, feel, hear, smell, taste what your intention
should be while standing on a sunny hill. Set your intention in a light balloon, release it and send it on its way up in the atmosphere...You intention, thought energy, however you would like to see it is now created.
Daily visualizing the same things, will eventually manifest your
desired reality. Ever see how those who are extremely negative always fall and get hurt, are accident prone and have bad luck? Negative thinking in many, many cases.
The major catastrophes that we see like the WTC, Tsunami, Katrina Disaster's that we hear and see about, well that has nothing to do with intention. That's another whole ball of wax having to do with pre-collective universal consicousness thinking. (Good Books on that concept is Neale Donald Walsh and Conversations with God Books 1,2,3).
Well that's it for now folks....again have a great evening!
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| Mar 14, 2006 @ 1:13 AM |
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beachnutRU
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I love Wane Dyers the Power of Intention. Empath I made you gunshy of the thumbs guy............
Goodnight I like the feng shui.
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| Mar 14, 2006 @ 10:58 AM |
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Lunaymar37
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Does anyone know what colors are best for a calming effect in Feng Shui? I know of one very successful business man who actually uses certain colors and lights in his office to get the result that he wants with his clients...it's interesting.
[Edited on 3/14/2006 11:14 AM]
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| Mar 14, 2006 @ 2:05 PM |
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Lee_Danger
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I don't know about Feng Shui, but blue is supposed to have a calming affect.
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| Mar 14, 2006 @ 3:16 PM |
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Lunaymar37
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Thanks Lee-Danger! I think also a soft green too but not totally sure, healing or soothing.
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| Mar 14, 2006 @ 3:40 PM |
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Lee_Danger
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Yes, I do believe green is healing, Lunaymar. And, red incites passion. And, yellow makes people think they're getting a bargain lol (I use to be in advertising ;-)
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