| May 1, 2006 @ 5:07 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Saw a documentary on gender dysphoria and sexual reassignment.What's interesting is that many of these people claimed to go through a stage in life where they tried to live as their birth gender and submerge their real feelings in religion.One man, who is now a woman on the show said that he met his wife through a church group, but he said, later, he found that he could not hide his "true" self anymore and had to go through sexual reassignment or he felt that he would've committed suicide.Church or religion couldn't change what he felt inside.
I forget the exact numbers of people who suffer gender dysphoria, but they were significant enough not to dismiss such people as flakes or weirdos who just need a good shrink.What will traditional religion do with this phenomena?I have a friend who is transgender and has been ostracized from several churches she has tried to join with her family.What's the spiritual side here?I know there are some who would say that these people were their desired genders in a former life.OK, if that's so, then what happened to make them born the "wrong" sex to begin with?
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| May 4, 2006 @ 9:26 PM |
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AngelLight
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What will traditional religion do with this phenomena?
I don't know if it's a "phenomena" per se, or just the way it is for some people.....I think there are people who are biologically male but have a "female brain" and people who are biologically female but have "a male brain".....the make up of the brain and the secretion of hormones is the opposite of one's outward appearance.
It must be a very painful experience to live inside a body that feels the exact opposite of who you feel you really are in relation to gender....a male feeling female in everyway.... in his mind, body, movements, spiritual essence and vice versa.. I would imagine it would feel like being trapped in a bad movie.....everyone else in the movie sees and believes one thing, but you know the truth and cannot convince anyone of it because they cannot see it or experience it as you do.
I would hope that eventually traditional religions will welcome transexuals into the church knowing God does not make mistakes and would only have one response here....a response of total and complete acceptance and compassion. There are a lot of people on this earth, and I think people simply have different life experiences, for whatever reasons.
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| May 7, 2006 @ 11:10 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Thank you, Angel, that was a very insightful response.I admit, I had some trouble with it at first, only because I had felt that I had lost a close male friend.It took awhile for me to accept him as a female.I was used to sharing dirty,male oriented juvinile jokes 
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| May 11, 2006 @ 6:03 PM |
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doc65270
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thats right god does not make mistakes. who gives these people the right to change what god has made? i agree they should not be bared from the church but then again what are they teaching the others in church? a person is what they are from birth no matter if they have a sex change or not. and in the bible it tells us man should not lay with another man. i am from the old school and i feel that a person that says they should have been a woman has a brain disorder and also the other way around. and i feel that a person that goes into a marage knowing that the other person has gone through this is committing a sin as well. if the person goes into the marage not knowing its not a sin untill he does know about it. how would you feel if your son or your hubby came up to you and said they was going to have a sex change operation done. would you still stay married to them or be in agreement with them if it was your son? i have a nephew that is gay and that is wrong he knows its wrong yet he chooses to live that life style. do you think god looks down on him with a smile? i don't think so. its like this you know whats right and whats wrong and it is up to you to choose right from wrong. with each of us haveing to suffer the outcome of what choices we make when we have to face god at the end of our time.
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| May 11, 2006 @ 8:46 PM |
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AngelLight
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"do you think god looks down on him with a smile?"
No, I think God looks down on him with LOVE, the very same LOVE that God looks down on you.
Make no mistake about that. It's not about God "smiling" or "frowning".
It's about LOVE.
Plain and simple.
Oh, and I doubt your nephew thinks being gay is wrong per se. I do believe he had been made to feel and think it is wrong by those closest to him.
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| May 12, 2006 @ 2:45 AM |
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doc65270
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so inother words your saying that god approves of gays and lesbans? yes god loves all people but he hates sin. and if your going to stand up there and tell me that to have sex with the same sex is not a sin you need to go back to your bible and read a little more. my brother accepts his son being gay because it is his son but that don't make it right or ok in the eyes of god. god made man and woman to love each other he didn't make man to love man or woman to love woman. or doyou think he did? yes i know god loves him as he does me but to stand up and say its ok is not right in doing so we are teaching our children it is ok to have sex with same sex. and if i am wrong give me scripture out of the bible that tells me i am wrong. i can show you where it is wrong! thank you very much. doc
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| May 12, 2006 @ 2:53 AM |
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chinabull2000
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Judge not lest ye be judged
Isn't this a quote from the Bible?
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| May 12, 2006 @ 2:56 AM |
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SunBabe
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Plase quote ALL the Bible verses that mention homosexuality.  The ONE mention of men/men is in Leviticus and THAT was referring to male prostitutes (with no reference as to who they'd "do")
btw, have you any idea what it's LIKE to be "gay"...or "transexual" (there's a difference, ya know...) -- what it's like to be attracted to the same gender OR to know you're a man or woman trapped in the wrong gender's body?
Nope, God doesn't make mistakes...HE created those gays. MAN censured them.
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| May 12, 2006 @ 8:13 AM |
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doc65270
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cinnabull there is a little difference there between judging and knowing right from wrong. don't ya think. and sunbabe male whores or not it says NO! now what part of that don't you understand? if god would have wanted man to sleep with man why did he make women for? when he created man the then created woman for man so that they could multply and fill the earth i believe that is close to how it says it. now can you show me how two men are going to make more. and you can say what ever you want to its not judging, and god didn't make them that way they made theirself that way. or are you trying to tell me that god made john wayne gassey that way, god created a man to rape and kill teenage boys is that what your trying to tell me? if you are you are so wrong god made man but it is mans choice what he does with the gift god has given him. god is not the producer of people that murder or steel or any other things that is not good. noone makes these people do those things they choose to do them just like people choose to become gay or transexual or any of the other weired things you can come up with. many times people introduce their son in law or daughter in law but i never heard anyone say this is my sons lover etc. (refering to gays)
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| May 12, 2006 @ 8:25 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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never heard anyone say this is my sons lover etc. (refering to gays
Funny, I was just introduced to a friend's daughter's partner...no problems with the introductions at all. But I'm just not getting in the judiging business. If you want to decide that loving thy neighbor as thyself means that you should decide what they're doing is right or wrong, that's your choice. My choice is to try not to hurt anyone, whether I agree with their lifestyle or not, and I'd rather err on the side of tolerance than not.
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| May 12, 2006 @ 8:53 AM |
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doc65270
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and did your friend introduce them as lovers? and once again its not judging a person it is making a dicission of right or wrong. i didn't say you couldn't love them. but by approving of them your saying its ok to be that way and in doing so what are you teaching your children.  its like this if they want to be that way fine with me just don't ask me to be a participant! i feel and am led to believe that this kind of life style is wrong. it is not how it was ment to be from the beginning and i feel it is not gods will in my life or theirs. but each has to make their own dicissions in life and i will feel more sure of myself when standing before god than what they will. we are not talking about "can we take the test over again" this is life, this is the proving grounds for heaven. what we do with our life here on earh determinds on where we will spend eternity. i for one will not take the risk of saying god loves gays too when that is against his will. yes he might love them but what they are doing is wrong and what they are doing could determind where they will spend eternity. would you be willing to jepordise where you go by what you do just because thats what you want while here on earth? remember one thing the time sent here on earth isn't a drop in the ocean compared to eternity. think about it.
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| May 12, 2006 @ 8:58 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Doc, would you introduce your daughter-in-law as your son's lover? This is my friend's daughter's 'wife' in everything but legal terms. You see accepting them as 'enabling' them, I see it as 'loving' them. As you say though, we can agree to disagree.
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| May 12, 2006 @ 9:09 AM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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if you are you are so wrong god made man but it is mans choice what he does with the gift god has given him
then why did God allow This to happen?
The argument neglects the fact that hundreds of eunuchs (whose sexuality had been surgically changed) were accepted into Christian congregations in the first few centuries of the New Testament Church! Why did some men become eunuchs? Many leaders and rulers kept harems of lovely women. These men wanted men in charge of these harems but wanted to be certain that these men would not touch their women, so they made them eunuchs. In case we are in any doubt that God accepted eunuchs, we have a vivid illustration of this in Acts 8:26-40. This eunuch was not rejected because his sexuality had been altered by surgery, he was willingly accepted as a child of God!
Acts 8:26-40
Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch
26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the south [1] to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert place. 27 And he rose and went. And there was an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure. He had come to Jerusalem to worship 28 and was returning, seated in his chariot, and he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:
“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter
and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he opens not his mouth.
33 In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken away from the earth.”
34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. 36 And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?” [2] 38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.
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| May 12, 2006 @ 9:34 AM |
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doc65270
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the eunuch did not change his sex nor did he try to be a woman. did he. it also states that some will be born eunuchs and some will be man made eunuchs. but they are still men not men acting like women. so tell me with all of your scripture what is your point?
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| May 12, 2006 @ 9:45 AM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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the eunuch did not change his sex nor did he try to be a woman.
no but his sexuality was changed by man by surgery according to the bible. 
A man or boy whose testes are nonfunctioning or have been removed.
Informal An ineffectual, powerless, or unmasculine man.
My Point?...why nothing at all just giving my opinion..which I am entitled too..
One last comment before i take leave of this thread:
It's all part of the human condition. So let us go forth and be ourselves and treat everyone as we want to be treated. A little respect goes a long way to advance our culture. Sexuality is only a part of a person. A person has much more than that. Sexuality doesn't not define the WHOLE person. To me not accepting someone in society purely based on his/her sexuality, gender, race, ethnicity, looks etc, etc is not a good way to live and shows an utter lack of compassion and also shows a very judgmental person.. 
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| May 12, 2006 @ 10:52 AM |
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doc65270
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oh my how many times must one say something before it sinks into their pea brain? i am not judging. now for me to say i believe something is right or wrong is not judging. i am just saying that according to my belief and the way i was raised and the way i was tought and the things i have read from god's word this is wrong. i am not judging a person i am judging a action! is murder wrong? yes it is we all know that. but we are not judging any one we are judging a act. something that is taking place that we do not think is right. now if you can't understand that you need to go back to school and learn to understand what you read. its as simple as that. thank you and have a good day.
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| May 12, 2006 @ 11:03 AM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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oh my how many times must one say something before it sinks into their pea brain?
 Name calling... 
I don`t have a pea brain
I`m smarter then most..
now if you can't understand that you need to go back to school and learn to understand what you read.
I understand completely..I may not have a college education..but I do understand what I read...and I say once again I am entitled to my opinion and I do not judge you on yours so don`t judge me on mine..
A little respect goes a long way to advance our culture
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| May 12, 2006 @ 11:04 AM |
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chinabull2000
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and sunbabe male whores or not it says NO! now what part of that don't you understand? There is a huge difference between sex for money and sex for love. There is very little similarity between the two. Now what part of that do you not understand?
"Do unto others what others would do unto you"
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| May 12, 2006 @ 11:12 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Ok, really as a Christian, it shouldn't matter if anyone is Gay or a Transsexual. We love then all.
Love thy neighbor as Christ loves you.
Right or wrong? It doesn't matter, we are to love everyone, not judge.
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| May 12, 2006 @ 3:08 PM |
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doc65270
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this started out as a good thread. we all judge! now don't tell me you don't. you judge everyday of your life! God gives us all the knowledge and wisdom to judge! we judge everyday if this is good or bad for our life not passing judgment on any one but on some things in todays world as it was sence the beginning of time. you use judgment in driving a car, am i going too fast, too slow, when to make manovers etc. there is nothing wrong with judging things that go on in the world in everyday life. it tells us that man should not lay with another man. if they was talking about prostitution or other it makes no difference. god made man and then made woman for man if he would have wanted men to breed, have sex, or what ever you want to call it he would have made man and man instead of man and woman. I AM NOT JUDGING PEOPE I AM JUDGING WRIGHT FROM WRONG IN MY LIFE. i said pea brain because some times poeple just don't understand what is being said. others just like to argue. well thats all i have to say about that. so if you don't understand i am sarry for you, if you want to argue stand in front of a merrior because i have nothing else to say on the matter. thank you very much.
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