| May 3, 2006 @ 6:36 PM |
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bevrice
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Now, would like everyone's thoughts on this one. The only answer I have to that one is, He always was.
Now all your thoughts?
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| May 3, 2006 @ 6:45 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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God has no beginning and no end. Therefore he always was.To ask about where God came from is to ask a question that cannot really be applied to God in the first place.God is even beyond eternity.
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| May 3, 2006 @ 6:59 PM |
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bevrice
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good answer, tink. That one is so hard for us to grasp as human beings. We are so used to everything having a beginning and an end. That is the only answer I know, too. But maybe others have ideas about this one.
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| May 3, 2006 @ 7:23 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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the first line in the bible says:
"In the beginning, GOD...."
GOD existed before the 'beginning'. GOD is not subject to time, He is the one who created it.
Eternity is the place of GOD. Time has no meaning. He sees all the past, present, and future as an ever present GOD.Consider all of human history like a DVD.You can punch in, and watch the beginning, and then skip to the end, in seconds. Now imagine having a DVD player with infinite heads on it.You can watch all parts of the DVD at the same time, then.
This is how it is with GOD. He is everywhere, at every time period, at the same time. And He is the same GOD in all of those. He is an infinite eternal being.
He has always existed. We are limited, because of the fact that we experience time.
We aren`t able to see our past, or our future. We can only see the present, and live only in the present. But GOD sees it all, right now. He saw your birth, life, and death, before He created the universe. And for Him, it was the present, at every moment.
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| May 3, 2006 @ 9:06 PM |
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mangolover60
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Ha, I actually like Daltra's answer, but it seems that was completely skiiped over and ignored. Tsk Tsk!
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| May 3, 2006 @ 9:18 PM |
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TiNkErGrRrRrR
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but it seems that was completely skiiped over and ignored. Tsk Tsk!
 No I was being polite I didn`t want to laugh.. 
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| May 3, 2006 @ 10:14 PM |
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Pete73052
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Now all your thoughts?
You've answered your own question Bev. 
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| May 3, 2006 @ 10:35 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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I think you said it right, Pete. Bev--you gave the answer.
Being human beings, we have difficulty grasping the concept of no beginning and no end. We are used to beginnings and endings, such as birth and death. Maybe if we viewed it as the circle of life, we could better comprehend the concept of eternal.
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| May 3, 2006 @ 11:02 PM |
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Always_Striving
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Tink and Bev, I am siding with the both of you on your views.
Anyway here are my personal thoughts.
I tend to think that God is beyond an entity and cannot be defined terms of "he or she". These terms are earthly and created by mankind. I feel that God is universal and beyond. If God is made in the image of man (I think that might be written in the bible?), then I see the comparison this way.........A human being is made up of many living cells held together by various means. God is the universe and beyond held together but continuely growing (like a human body does). Ergo, the analogy is that God's body is the universe and everything contained within or not contained within the universe and the cells which make up the body may be simple things (a piece of paper, a passing thought, non-visable light atoms radiating off different stars) God is EVERYTHING.
I believe that it even goes further to include that God is everything which has occurred in time and things that are yet to happen. God is all the miscellaneous thoughts that ever existed and are yet to come to light.
Do we need to know the fine details of God? Probably as much as we need to every aspect about our bodies, every molecule movement, every atom's spinning direction and decay, or cataloging the purification wars going on within our own bodies trying to make things right so that we can live.
No, these things just happen. God can be order, God can be chaos, but God is not meant to be defined or understood by our minds, ONLY APPRECIATED. Is humanity some kind of weird experiment? I am not going to ask God this question because it is none of my business.
One thing I have discovered is that "thoughts" are very unique. Not necessarily physics, chemistry or biology but something more. It's my feeling that God enabled thoughts in people so that we can have an awareness.
I am trying to determine the value of prayer.
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| May 3, 2006 @ 11:16 PM |
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Jankia
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God is love so he came from love.
Where did love come from?
God
God is everything,including you,me and the universe.
How can that be?
Questions...questions.
None can be answered until the time comes for us to be told.If you believe,your told.If you dont,your not.
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| May 4, 2006 @ 6:17 AM |
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Greystone1
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The options are: Everything always existed... or... Everything was created by God, who always existed. Either choice implies infinity.
The creator being necessarily more complex than the creation, "everything always existed" is the more likely answer.
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| May 4, 2006 @ 1:31 PM |
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midnightthunder
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Ha, I actually like Daltra's answer, but it seems that was completely skiiped over and ignored. Tsk Tsk!
And you have to winder why....
The majority here believes, so answers like that are obviously in the minority of thoughts.
Bob Dylan - Gotta Serve Somebody:
You might be a rock 'n' roll addict prancing on the stage,
You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage,
You may be a business man or some high degree thief,
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief
But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
Lot of sense there.. 
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| May 4, 2006 @ 7:48 PM |
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bevrice
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That makes a lot of sense, there are only two powers, and one of them isn't us, it is God and Satan. Self is satan, if we serve self, we serve the devil. If you aren't serving God then you are serving Satan.
Like Jesus said, "Serve life and blessings or death and cursings" Life being him, and death being satan.
That is the ONLY choices we have, and to my way of thinking, that isn't much of a choice, lol. Not a hard decision to make.
Good point, thanks for bringing it up.
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| May 4, 2006 @ 8:18 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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The majority here believes, so answers like that are obviously in the minority of thoughts.
Reality doesn't care whether you believe it or not.
Majority, minority, doesn't matter. Whatever you, I or anyone believes isn't something within our control. I could pay lip service and say that I believe whatever's most popular, currently Christianity, but that would not change what I actually believe one iota, nor does the number of people who believe something make it true. In fact, there are still people around who believe that the earth is flat and has four corners, and the sun revolves around it, as described in the bible. Galileo was excommunicated for stating that it was round...and it's only within the last 20 years that the excommunication was lifted. I wonder if that means that he can leave hell and go to heaven now...
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| May 4, 2006 @ 8:51 PM |
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Jankia
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^^^^^So I take it you havent an answer to this threads question then?
Was Datura's post just in humor or was it just to start a scrap with any religious people on this thread?
Anything that I believe in is in my control.Why wouldnt it be for anyone?
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| May 4, 2006 @ 9:06 PM |
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SunBabe
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...there are only two powers, and one of them isn't us, it is God and Satan. Self is satan, if we serve self, we serve the devil. If you aren't serving God then you are serving Satan.
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That is the ONLY choices we have, and to my way of thinking, that isn't much of a choice, lol. Not a hard decision to make.
Hmmm, so I should put "I serve Satan" in my profile? The Devil's Handmaiden...that's me (apparently) 
...aaaaaactually, I believe Datura was pretty close to answering this topic realistically. A_S expanded upon that thought beautifully.
How can anyone think "God" is a FELLA...sittin' there amongst the clouds?  "God" is MUCH more complex than that simplification.
"God is LOVE" comes closest to the concept and anyone who's experienced infinite, unconditional LOVE knows the power of love/God...or whatever "title" one chooses to call it. It's a collective universal FEELING that's been refined and defined throughout history and its assorted cultures in MANY different forms/styles/"details". It's just too bad that there are those that think their particular views are the only "acceptable" ones ~sigh~
Between the Pleistocene and Holocene epochs (about 1 1/2 million - 10,000 years ago, mankind began to develop. It wasn't until 10,000 years or so ago that "CIVILIZED" mankind began to "organize" itself in an identifiable social structure...and that's when the "where'd we come from" quest began: "Man's Search For Meaning" happened 10,000 years before Viktor Frankl put it into words -- and MANY thousands of years before the Bible was ever recorded.
Although early "civilized" man had language skills, it was some time before the species was capable of "abstract thought", which probably encompassed the concept of a "god" or "maker" or "gitchimanitou"...and then a "beyond". Writing -- a "formal", sort of "unversal" writing system -- itself wasn't developed until approximately 4000 BC, in ancient Mesopotamia...up til then, EVERYTHING was "hearsay", passed along verbally -- and of course those verbal "stories" and "lessons" reflected each culture, using THEIR personal experiences and environments -- thus the differences that evolved over the millenia.
"One Love"..."One God"...maybe the Rastafari's have it right....
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| May 4, 2006 @ 9:28 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Anything that I believe in is in my control.Why wouldnt it be for anyone?
Jankia, sorry, but I'd have to disagree with that. I can say I believe something, but I can't change the fact that I don't really believe it. I spent a fair amount of time studying the bible, and it just never rang true to me. That's not something I chose, it's just the truth. I can, and did, try to believe it, it would have made life a lot simpler for me if I did, but I can't lie to myself. As for where God came from, I believe that what you perceive as God, I probably see more as energy that we all share in. It's what always was and always will be. Do I believe that that energy, or spirit, is going to damn me to hell for eternity because I cannot accept the bible as being the ultimate truth? No, I don't. I don't even believe in hell as such, except the hell we create ourselves right here on earth. These aren't things I chose to believe, but they are what I do believe.
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| May 4, 2006 @ 9:55 PM |
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Jankia
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I can say I believe something, but I can't change the fact that I don't really believe it.
Ok, but I just see it differently than you Heaven.When I say that I believe in something,no matter what it is, I have no reason to say that if I do not.For some reason I see yours as deceving to yourself by saying what you dont believe.
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| May 5, 2006 @ 12:16 AM |
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Greystone1
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...there are only two powers, and one of them isn't us, it is God and Satan. Self is satan, if we serve self, we serve the devil. If you aren't serving God then you are serving Satan.
And you probably think this makes sense... 
It is a circular argument, containing a series of unfounded assertions/assumptions, boiling down to "I serve God, therefore I serve God."
[Edited on 5/5/2006 12:23 AM]
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| May 5, 2006 @ 2:03 AM |
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midnightthunder
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The majority here believes, so answers like that are obviously in the minority of thoughts.
Reality doesn't care whether you believe it or not.
Majority, minority, doesn't matter. Whatever you, I or anyone believes isn't something within our control. I could pay lip service and say that I believe whatever's most popular, currently Christianity, but that would not change what I actually believe one iota, nor does the number of people who believe something make it true
I am sure reality could care less if I believe it or not, because it is the here and now, which would make it factual
Stating the majority believes, means there is a general consensus as far as thoughts and beliefs
What one believes, if it isn't in their control, then whose control is it....
A belief is a trust you have placed in something, a tenet, does a belief make
something true.....yes in YOUR heart and mind.
Galileo was excommunicated, by man who judged him, and we are not to judge,
As far as we know, he could of very well went to heaven.
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