| May 7, 2006 @ 9:58 AM |
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sail_dancer
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I think every rational human being's reaction to Hitler's book burning activities was awe and disbelief.
How can someone determine what books are acceptable and what books should be burned?
As a result of this German youth had limited choices as to their reading material. By burning books that questioned his theories and only allowing books like "Mein Kampf'", Hitler was trying to brain wash the German youth to his way of thinking. He also realized that that was the best way to influence future generations.
How can we sit back and criticize Hitler while acceptiong that:
"Constantine commissioned and financed a new Bible, which omitted those gospels that spoke of Christ's human traits and embellished those gospels that made Him godlike. The earlier gospels were outlawed, gathered up, and burned."
The quote was taken from an "Why the 'Lost Gospels' Lost Out" that I found on www.christianitytoday.com.
Comments appreciated.
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| May 7, 2006 @ 11:21 AM |
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Classy_Blonde
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Hi Sail, 
I don't believe ANY books should be burned. They are there for us to use to obtain knowledge, be it good or bad, useful or otherwise. Each of us should have the right to decide what we want to absorb and utilize, or toss away. Can you imagine what we could accidentally destroy, in the process of filtration?
Kind of similar to the period when the books of the bible were being determined, isn't it? Except (if my memory serves me well) most, if not all, of the books still exist. I believe the Catholic church preserved them.
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| May 7, 2006 @ 11:34 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Burn books???? Oh people should be slapped for doing that.
Ii had some that got moldy and yes,,,~~~sniff~~~ I had to burn them. I think it is a crime. 
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| May 7, 2006 @ 11:40 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Classy,
The reason and results are the same. If the books are burned or locked in a vault the information in them are still being withheld from the general public.
Can this be justified?
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| May 7, 2006 @ 11:56 AM |
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nightrider3281
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Burning or hiding of books from people just goes to show you that people in power are afraid of common people, The less knowledge you keep from people the easier it is to control them
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| May 7, 2006 @ 1:18 PM |
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Angel54214
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Nightrider hit the nail on the head here. Back in biblical history, new christians were instructed to burn books such as from Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle. Book burning was encouraged by the apostles and the evangalists after Jesus' death and transfiguration took place of establishing the church. I found a scripture that will help on this establishment.
Acts 19: 19-20
"Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men and they counted the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed."
I wonder if they actually ever read these books first.
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| May 7, 2006 @ 1:55 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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Sail,
I do believe we have access to the books. In fact, Haban made a comment about them too, in one of the threads. I'll just bet he wouldn't mind sharing some information with you. He, unlike many of us, has actually taken the time to sit down and read some of these books.
To add--I don't know if ALL of the books still exist, or are available, but I think most are. Haban??? A little help, please???
Has anyone ever read the book, or seen the movie, Fahrenheit 451? It was written by Ray Bradbury, in 1953. The movie came along in 1966. That is exactly what the movie is about. All books are being confiscated and burned.
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| May 7, 2006 @ 2:05 PM |
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nightrider3281
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yea i saw that movie it was very scary thinking someone has that power to keep from reading
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| May 7, 2006 @ 2:38 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Yes I did see the movie but didn't read the book.
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| May 7, 2006 @ 3:47 PM |
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willinwill
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I was just now wondering when someone would invoke the reference to Bradbury's classic. It was, after all, a story of hope and the will to preserve an ideal at any cost. It was, perhaps, Ray's best voicing at the age of 36 - he set the bar mighty high...artistically, socially, philosophically. That wondrous book was - yes indeed - a sterling film/cineart piece done by Truffaut and occasionally tauted as on of the best filmics of all time....do you'se agree?
Oh...the whole point being that much lit thought lost is only hiding just as young Ann Frank was in the attic with other treasures....
And suddenly I am wistful and nostalgic about Bradbury..."I sing the bod etc.." and that splendid B/W film....which I don't recall seeing at the movie store.
It is....It is...all about the will to survive...isn't it...
survival of the truest as well as the fit...
"....to strive, to seek, and not to yield..." A. Tennyson...anyone? 
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| May 7, 2006 @ 4:28 PM |
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SunBabe
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 Oooo!!!!! My VERY favorite book and movie of ALL time! I saw the movie probably as a young teen and it's had a profound effect on me ever since: I could never EVER condone letting a book (an idea or knowledge) "die".
I have an extensive collection of antique books, but haven't had the heart to scope out the damage after a house-flood ~sigh~ at least I know most of them aren't too controversial and probably still in print in newer editions, but some of the original un-PC, unrevised children's books are classics that reflect an era in our culture that symbolic "book burning" has changed.
"If you can't prove it (in writing), it didn't/doesn't exist" -- that's something that's gone on ever since there WAS a written word, whether it was religious, philosophical, political, etc..."book burning" has been a tool to help revise and direct history -- and yes, it's STILL going on this day, not only around the world but in this very country.... 
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| May 12, 2006 @ 1:39 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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The Waldenses existed about three centuries prior to Martin Luther. When the bible was being burned in mass quantities, the Waldensees would gather in hidden caves and teach their children scripture. From a very young age, the children were taught to memorize the biblical text, so that the writings would be preserved.
The Waldenses were persecuted for their faith and nearly completely annihalated, but they have managed to remain in existence, even though they have a very small following.
I was surprised to discover they have organizations in the United States. I see, according to this article (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15527b.htm), they are located in Wolfe Ridge, Texas, Valdese, North Carolina, and Monett, Missouri.
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| Jun 9, 2007 @ 9:10 AM |
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carpediem48
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This is a subject(re. Constantine) and 'excluded' writings that I want to learn more about
I knew that he 'included' and integrated pagan practices into Christianity...but I don't know much about the 'exclusions'
Can anyone recommend any web sites????
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| Jun 9, 2007 @ 9:33 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Carp,
Can anyone recommend any web sites????
Here are a few:
Christian Texts
Early Christian Writings
Noncanonical Literature
The Lost Books of the Bible
Hope this helps.
Peace
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| Jun 9, 2007 @ 9:45 AM |
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carpediem48
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Thanx Sail....I'm looking forward to exploring....can you recommend the easiest or best one for me to start on?
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| Jun 9, 2007 @ 1:27 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Hi Carp,
Being that you are starting at square one, I would suggest "The Lost Books of the Bible" and just follow the sequence of the topics presented.
Have fun.
Peace
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| Jun 9, 2007 @ 1:36 PM |
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12knots
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Reminds me of a true story. A great Buddhist Master was to give a lecture at a great Buddhist monastery. He arrived and went to the lecture hall where all the monks sat down waiting for the wisdom of this learned Master.
The Master came in look around and then picked up some of the scripture books and statues throwing them on the fire to be burnt. The Monks aghast and shocked.
The Master then told them about attachments to worldly things and how we become attached to them and why we should not.
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| Jun 9, 2007 @ 4:26 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Knots,
But the great Buddhist Master did so to stimulate the thought process. The christians selectively destroyed books to force their beliefs on others.
Peace
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| Jun 9, 2007 @ 4:47 PM |
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12knots
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Sail, and doesn't it continue today in other disguises.....
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| Jun 9, 2007 @ 7:23 PM |
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sail_dancer
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Knots,
Yeah, now they have perfected their brain washing techniques to the point that they don't have to burn books. They just fry people's brains.
Peace
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