| Jun 6, 2006 @ 11:35 AM |
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chinabull2000
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Right people, it's all very well to beieve in God, Jesus, Mohammed, or whatever takes your fancy, but this does not make you a good person, it does not mean you have set yourself good moral standards or lead your life the way it should be led.
It is far more important to be a good person, and IMVHO, I think people should spend more time on concentrating on themselves and how they lead their lives rather than fighting about religion and claiming that their way is the only way whilst forgetting about what is more important.
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| Jun 6, 2006 @ 11:47 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Doing good things and trying to help people instead of thinking of myself. That is what I am about.
I am a giver, a lover of all people.
I am both, a lover of God/Jesus and people. All things deserve to be loved and taken care of.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 12:17 AM |
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Angel54214
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I spend 40 hours a week with the sick. People that can't walk or can hardly write their own name on a form. Some are so poor they can't afford to pay their insurance co-pay before seeing their doctor for they might not eat the next day. I waive the charges. I listen to upset patients on the phone all day long with their sadness and tears in their voices that they can't pay their bill. I give discounts.
I believe what I do for a living is one small gift of helping others which is why we are here in the first place.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 2:16 AM |
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chinabull2000
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Well, the two people to respond are two of the people I wasn't referring to. Oh well.  But well done to the both of you!! 
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 9:11 AM |
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Jankia
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fighting about religion and claiming that their way is the only way
Just like in everything else China there are many different ways to claim your faith.Those that do it by lessening anothers way or fighting about whose is the right way do forget the more important.That is to be in some means like a child...humble,to actually go out and do something,be a giver like Kattsmeow and Angel said above.
Tonight is our churches night for preparing and serving a meal for the homeless men in Madison.Ive been volunteering my help for seven years now and I still continue to meet other members of our congregation that I never knew before because they arent active members and dont attend services but they do show faith by volunteering to help feed the homeless.
Maybe that is more important for them than just showing up on Sunday morning?
Like I said,we all have different ways.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 12:01 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Yeah China, reading some of the threads here and seeing how some people exhibit "love of God" and "forgiveness", I'm thinking bullsh*t too. Everyday kindness and treating people in the manner you would want to be treated goes a lot farther with me than any label anyone wants to wear or any doctrine one wants to "prove".
An old song goes something like "What you do speaks so loud that the world can't hear what you say." "Actions speak louder than words."
A family member once said to me "You know I love you." To which I replied, "The words you say make me feel bad about myself. My friends don't make me feel bad about myself."
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 12:40 PM |
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ChgoSingleDad
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China's right.
Being a good person is important. I have known some so called "born again Christians" who were about the meanest, nastiest, and most difficult people I have ever seen.
"Going to church doesn't make you a Christian, any more than walking into a garage makes you a mechanic"
I am with Katt on this also . I am a love God, believe in Him, but I also believe in helping people, and doing what is right. I have spent alot of time in Public Safety helping people. I do it because I like to help, and I get alot of satisfaction doing it. It is my desire. I learned from my parents about helping others. My dad certainly didn't preach religion to us when we were kids.... he showed us how God worked by doing what was right, and helping others, being kind, non judgmental, and fair to those around him. He didn't talk about God's work... he showed how God's work got done. My mom is much the same way, both of them raised us with values, sent us to a religious school to reinforce them, and then showed us how they work. They didn't talk about it.... they did it.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 1:48 PM |
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kattsmeow
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My parents also taught me to be kind and caring towards other people and animals.
We didn't go to church every Sunday either. It was the morals I was brought up on.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 6:11 PM |
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sealacamp
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It is far more important to be a good person,
There is nothing more important that submitting yourself to the transforming power of Jesus Christ. Everything else is not even worth consideration.
BTW no one that is a true Christian claims that their way is the only way. We have no way but that which we are led into by the Holy Spirit and Christ himself. The one that said Christianity is the only way was Christ not any one else. You either believe him (faith) or you don't (no faith).
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 6:23 PM |
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chinabull2000
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There is nothing more important that submitting yourself to the transforming power of Jesus Christ. Everything else is not even worth consideration. You see, this is exactly what I'm talking about!!!!!! The mass muderer commits himself to Jesus Christ as he slaughters innocent people, so how in Hell (pun fully intended) can his FAITH in Jesus Christ be more important than the slaughter of those innocents????
Believe it or not (probably not in many cases), kindness, decency and the intent to help others is far more important that believing in your God. If you believe in God and also have those positive attributes then that is great, but believing in God alone is simply NOT ENOUGH!!!!
BTW no one that is a true Christian claims that their way is the only way You have just said that everything else, other than submitting yourself to Jesus) is not even worth consideration, so maybe you want to rethink your words.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 6:46 PM |
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kattsmeow
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You see, this is exactly what I'm talking about!!!!!! The mass muderer commits himself to Jesus Christ as he slaughters innocent people, so how in Hell (pun fully intended) can his FAITH in Jesus Christ be more important than the slaughter of those innocents????
Ok, this is how it was explained to me this week. ( yes, I did ask, again )
According to people that do really horrible things, AFTER they have excepted Jesus, can be forgiven.
You know what? I still don't think I got it right. Maybe I should have the person I asked the question to explain it. I can't seem to find the right words.
Any way China, I do understand why you are wondering this. Even after I asked,,,I still have a hard time with it.
The only thing that comes to my mind is,,some day we will know all the answers.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 6:51 PM |
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chinabull2000
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Everyday kindness and treating people in the manner you would want to be treated goes a lot farther with me than any label anyone wants to wear or any doctrine one wants to "prove". Very nicely put Lacy!
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 8:43 PM |
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scorpiojoe
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Atrocities have been commited by people of all levels of belief, be they athiests, devout holy-rollers in thier chosen denomination, and everywhere in between. Being a good person, IMO, comes from right action, knowing what is right and wrong, and acting accordingly. It's a choice we as individuals must make on our own, regardless of faith, regardless of what your personal god tells you. If god is so onmipotent and omniscient, then he has no idea what it's like to be human, and should stay out of human affairs.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 10:23 PM |
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sealacamp
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You see, this is exactly what I'm talking about!!!!!! The mass muderer commits himself to Jesus Christ as he slaughters innocent people, so how in Hell (pun fully intended) can his FAITH in Jesus Christ be more important than the slaughter of those innocents????
And you completely totally absolutly without a doubt miss the point. Maybe because you don't know Him. If you did, and that mass murderer you are talking about too, then you would know that someone that had really surrendered to the Lord Jesus Christ could not possibly do anything like that. Also you would know that satan constantly tries to fool people and can disguise himself in almost any form in order to fool people. That is why Christians are called to test what we are told to find out if it really cam from Jesus. Unless you have been there it is impossible to understand what I am saying so I won't expect you too, or most people in this world for that matter. God said that His wisdom appears to be foolishness to the people of this world and that is why many will reject Him, and yes God and Jesus are one in the same. That is the truth you do what you will with it, you are going to anyway.
If god is so onmipotent and omniscient, then he has no idea what it's like to be human, and should stay out of human affairs.
In the person of Jesus Christ this is no longer true. And has not been true for 2000 years. Not only that true understanding of right and wrong comes from God, like the one God that made everything sort of God, uh there is not other sort of God because He has proved it over and over and over again, although a lot of people don't want to believe what they see or experinece, that God. That is where true understanding of right and wrong come from. Necessary? Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 10:58 PM |
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ServantOfChrist2
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God bless you Sealacamp.
1Corinthians 2:14
They can't be expected to get it.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 11:19 PM |
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lacyvsq
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Everyday kindness and treating people in the manner you would want to be treated goes a lot farther with me than any label anyone wants to wear or any doctrine one wants to "prove".
Very nicely put Lacy!
China, anyone Feel free to use my words and any modification whenever you encounter people with labels or those with doctrines to "prove"
By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another. ~John 13:35 - NKJV Christ did not say that professing a belief or proving a doctrine or wearing a label would evidence his followers. Rather he said that love for one another would be the "marker".
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 11:27 PM |
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Angel54214
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I have never once seen or read that a convicted proven murder that's been released due to he suddenly taking a turn of accepting Jesus, repenting and receiving forgiveness. All countries have laws to protect the innocent and subdue the criminal. Man upholds the law, thou shalt not kill...
All through the centuries the high price of murder is by death and all countries sustained their methods of death and subject to change in methods as we see in history and even as now.
The bible speaks loud and clear on murders, that they will be judged on earth at their time of crime, then be in contempt of God's judgement into the second death.
When someone is in prison on death row, how can this person practice justice and faith? Asking forgiveness of his crimes is not a ticket to heaven. For one to receive forgiveness, one must show through good works, faith and a true heart of believing Jesus is the son of God. Shall one be taken from public liberties into confinement (prison), due to such crime prove a righteous reward for self gain? No murderer can use Jesus as his appeal. The law is upheld with just cause and the punishments supercede the crimes.
God does not divide himself, he upholds his own laws through the righteous of man.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 11:31 PM |
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lacyvsq
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1 Corinthians 13
The Way of Love
1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 5or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 6it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. 7Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
13So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
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| Jun 7, 2006 @ 11:50 PM |
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Jankia
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Yeah China, reading some of the threads here and seeing how some people exhibit "love of God" and "forgiveness", I'm thinking bullsh*t too. Everyday kindness and treating people in the manner you would want to be treated goes a lot farther with me than any label anyone wants to wear or any doctrine one wants to "prove".
Please inform me of why a person that wears the label of Christain doesnt show everyday kindness or treat people the same way they would like themselves treated.
I see far more members on these religion threads that do show that very thing than those that do not.
People that exhibit "love of God" and "forgiveness" on the threads you are reading are only giving the same info as on any other thread,its not bull,its their opinions.
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| Jun 8, 2006 @ 12:58 AM |
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lacyvsq
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Please inform me of why a person that wears the label of Christain doesnt show everyday kindness or treat people the same way they would like themselves treated. I cannot anxwer this question. I can only guess that some people who label themselves Christian have a poor understanding of loving as Christ loved.Yeah China, reading some of the threads here and seeing how some people exhibit "love of God" and "forgiveness", I'm thinking bullsh*t too.
A poor choice of words which I now regret. The sentiment was NOT delivered in love or as I would have others do unto me.
I would submit however that love for God and forgiveness are bandied about as if everyone shared the same definition or as if the terms required no understanding.
How does one show love for God without respecting his created children? Are we not cautioned about criticizing our neighbor with the same voice we use to praise and worship God?
How does speaking words of forgiveness that express a magnanimous pardon for those who have dared to offend us constitute a loving act? Does my brother feel better if I say "You did me wrong, but I am a bigger person, so I will just say that as long as you are sorry and promise never to do it again, I will let you slide?"
How does placing one's self in a position to judge another evil or destined for hell show love for God or neighbor?
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