| Jun 9, 2006 @ 9:31 AM |
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Thor1960303
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If I posted this before, just delete it or disregard it.Sometimes I can't remember where I've posted what, but here goes..
A few years ago, a guy named John Titor claimed to be a time traveller from the year 2036 and he appeared on several internet forums claiming such.He stated that the Everett/Wheeler model of the universe was the correct one meaning that there are multiple realities in which all possible scenarios are played out,thus creating different "world time lines" as he called them.This would also do away with the paradox problem associated with time travel (in other words if you went back in time to assassinate your grandfather and thus prevent you from being born,this would not work as you would just create a different alternate reality).Now while many believe John Titor to have been a hoax,he did raise some interesting questions.How would this model of the universe,if it could be proven to be the correct one,effect your perspective on religion,God ,destiny and such?
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| Jun 9, 2006 @ 10:10 AM |
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sail_dancer
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Some people combine this theory with the fact that God pre-programed all possible results that result from man's free will choices, and that life is similar to a video game but much more complex.
Sounds far fetched, but God has the power to create anything. So who knows, maybe Christ is in all these scenarios and is the path to God Himself.
Peace
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| Jun 12, 2006 @ 11:13 AM |
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Thor1960303
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[QUOTE]Some people combine this theory with the fact that God pre-programed all possible results that result from man's free will choices, and that life is similar to a video game but much more complex.
Stephen Hawking said something to the effect that God was indeed a high stakes gambler with the universe.If you look at it with Christianity in mind, there would be multiple universes in which all scenarios are played out.One where Hitler became a Christian and instead of WW 2 there was a wave of revivalist religion in Europe.In this case, no one is really "saved" or damned" because there really is no empirical "you".
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| Jun 12, 2006 @ 11:20 AM |
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bevrice
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Lol, this is way too far out for me, especially in regards to the idea of Hitler's becoming a Christian, and in light of massive extermination and the suffering of the Jews. This is just very hard to conceive. We are not so far off from that year and I cannot imagine science advancing as far as to create a way for man to travel in time in the number of years from here to there. I know technology is moving rapidly, but maybe that is a bit much.
Lol, could be rather mind boggling. I alone could have ten million alternative what ifs alone.
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| Jun 12, 2006 @ 4:56 PM |
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Thor1960303
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Lol, could be rather mind boggling. I alone could have ten million alternative what ifs alone.
The documentary I saw suggested that there could even be a universe in which earth was never formed, or one where life never evolved.
Take a look at the stuff on the net about John Titor,just google it, it's interesting even if it probably is a hoax.
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| Jun 12, 2006 @ 5:15 PM |
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SunBabe
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Lol, this is way too far out for me, especially in regards to the idea of Hitler's becoming a Christian, and in light of massive extermination and the suffering of the Jews.
In Mein Kampf [Hitler] wrote that Jesus "made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross". Hitler rejected the idea of Jesus' redemptive suffering, stating in 1927: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."
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| Jun 12, 2006 @ 7:08 PM |
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Jankia
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Sure makes you wonder what Hitler was on when he wrote Mein Kampf or when he did anything else doesnt it Sunbabe.
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| Sep 4 @ 7:49 PM |
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Loreli
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Here ya go, Thor
(I had to read what had already been said...) 
I believe all things are possible, just many aren't probable...
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| Sep 4 @ 7:52 PM |
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16knots
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Just a silly hoax.
Mathematicians and Theoretical Physicists have been aware of multiple domension seen year dot.
Vector Analysis can be calculated in nth Dimensions and Quantum Mechanics "Suggests" multiple realities where each and everyone of us plays out nth possibilities.
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| Sep 4 @ 8:39 PM |
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horizon000
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I recall the "John Titor" events and was fascinated by the events that unfolded. Although generally regarded as a hoax, a few things he said are worth further investigation. The method he claimed that was used for time travel is actually being tested in four days time near Geneva. The Large Hadron Collider is a particle acellerator.
The collider is currently undergoing commissioning while being cooled down to its final operating temperature of approximately 1.9 K (-271.25 °C). Initial particle beam injections were successfully carried out on 8-11 August, 2008, the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for 10 September 2008, and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on 21 October 2008. When activated, it is theorized that the collider will produce the elusive Higgs boson, the observation of which could confirm the predictions and "missing links" in the Standard Model of physics and could explain how other elementary particles acquire properties such as mass. The verification of the existence of the Higgs boson would be a significant step in the search for a Grand Unified Theory, which seeks to unify three of the four known fundamental forces: electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force, leaving out only gravity. The Higgs boson may also help to explain why gravitation is so weak compared to the other three forces. In addition to the Higgs boson, other theorized particles, models and states might be produced, and for some searches are planned, including supersymmetric particles, compositeness (technicolor), extra dimensions, strangelets, micro black holes and magnetic monopoles.
According to Titor, time travel works on the theory of parellel time lines. He delved into the religious aspect of time travel and expressed three possible outcomes.
1. Good and evil cease to be an external force in our existence and therefore cannot be used as a gauge to speculate how a "God Force" will judge a situation. Good and evil then become a personal experience as to how we are guided and how we interact with others. Hence, your actions can only be judged by yourselves and God.
2. All of the many timeline versions of "You" out there make up the final version of "You" that returns to God in the end. Even though you may be a good "You" here, there may be other bad versions of "You" out there.
3. All of the different versions of "You" are in fact in some sort of communication with each other. Memories, Intuition, and Concious are atempts at one version of "You" trying to comunicate with the others.
There may be more to it than meets the eye and I think it is worthy of more thought.
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| Sep 5 @ 9:32 AM |
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Thor1960303
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Excellent post Horizon  makes sense to me. Now I want to go to Dallas in 1963 armed with my friend's Arriflex and get some film of the joker on the grassy knoll. Wonder how much the Warren Commision would pay me to keep the film away from the public.
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| Sep 5 @ 9:48 AM |
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yashaenka
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Why suggest only that there might be multiple universes, why not multiple Cosmoses? All that there is AND is not to a Taoist suggest that there is a negative mirror image of the Cosmos connected through what we call The Void where the two are in exact harmony, being neither one or the other.
I do not care what model you use for the creation of the Cosmos I only care about what it was formed from and by some form of energy we have not discerned as yet.
If one stood outside the cosmos it might appear as a lot of bubbles in a bath tub where they overlap, no one knows for sure.
Mans knowledge is exactly where it has always been, we can theorize but then can we build something to observe what we theorize about?
Time is a man made construct used as a tool in space there is no time as we understand time.
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| Sep 5 @ 9:58 AM |
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hammertime
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If one stood outside the cosmos it might appear as a lot of bubbles in a bath tub where they overlap, no one knows for sure. Thats the multiverse model and its gotten lots of acceptance since the mathematics works it out. Genesis is continuous and there will be confirming data when LISA is launched
The M-theory says when membranes or rather branes intersect at a point, that point is where the singularity occurs, the so call incorrectly named Big Bang. There might be some proof for this soon. In 2015 LISA will be launched (Laser Interferometer Space Antenna) and this will allow us look back right at the very beginning to time itself, the Big Bang. Basically it will be able to measure the effects of gravity that would show a source external to this universe and prove there are other universes. It would be then conceivable to believe there are an infinite number of such universes. Genesis is happening continuously.
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| Sep 5 @ 10:27 AM |
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Thor1960303
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There might be some proof for this soon. In 2015 LISA will be launched (Laser Interferometer Space Antenna) and this will allow us look back right at the very beginning to time itself, the Big Bang. Basically it will be able to measure the effects of gravity that would show a source external to this universe and prove there are other universes. It would be then conceivable to believe there are an infinite number of such universes. Genesis is happening continuously
Geez, I wonder if the young earth creationists will finally have to STFU once and for all.
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| Sep 5 @ 10:32 AM |
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yashaenka
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First they must come to grips with the Cosmos is contracting not expanding like the Big Bang theory put forth. At least they admit to something the Taoist knew thousands of years ago. Empty space is negative energy not empty at all.
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| Sep 5 @ 10:48 AM |
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16knots
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In a possible world all things are possible.
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| Sep 5 @ 6:34 PM |
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horizon000
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Now I want to go to Dallas in 1963 armed with my friend's Arriflex and get some film of the joker on the grassy knoll. Wonder how much the Warren Commision would pay me to keep the film away from the public.
Titor suggested that when travelling back in time, you do not visit your original timeline. He claimed to have contact with his "Past" parents and in the future, they have no recolition of ever meeting the grown Titor.
He suggested that travelling back would have no effect on his current timeline. The Grandfather parodox ( where if you kill your grandfather before your father was born, then you would cease to exist) then becomes void and so do all other paradoxes for that matter. By that rational, filming of the grassy knoll and trying to sell the film would be of no beifit whatsoever of the current "you".
Time travel then raises ethical questions on whether you do things for the greater good or leave them as they are. He expressed a reluctance to reveal information about his timeline for this very reason. He speculated that other "hims" could quite possibily be travelling through time and reeking havoc with those other timelines. This would pose the question.
How good or bad are you capable of being? Perhaps in other timelines, Hitler was a humanitarian and Ghandi nearly brought the world to the brink of distruction.....
Some people combine this theory with the fact that God pre-programed all possible results that result from man's free will choices, and that life is similar to a video game but much more complex.
I have heard another theory where in the future, computer technology is so greatly advanced that alternitive times and places have have been setup in the confines of a computer and people may enter these worlds to experience the effect of time travel. If that be the case, then perhaps we are all programs put together for the amusement of a few...
You could go crazy thinking about the possible scenarios...
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| Sep 5 @ 6:45 PM |
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pamdemonium
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Beautiful! 
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