| Jul 1, 2006 @ 12:45 AM |
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AngelLight
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If God had Jesus come in the physical form of a woman, do you believe Christianity would have come into being? Why or why not?
If you believe it would have, do you think you would be a Christian today if you are one now?
And, what is your automatic internal response to the idea of thinking of God as a woman?
Care to share 
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 1:31 AM |
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Spirit76
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I've spent 20 years thinking about this and thus I give you my answer:
Since God as an infinite power and force created a universe of polarities it does stand to reason that aspects of God, Goddess, All that Is would resonate as female...
This is a hallmark of New Age and Pagan thought and does not exclude the male view of God, but does irk some who cannot accept that God can be viewed through smaller windows (pantheons?) that peek into aspects of the creator... Some view this as the worship of multiple God(dess) deities but in truth, the matter is one of only using these "slivers" to aspect the larger creator with our frail and limited senses and thoughts.
I have never been Christian but had many attempt to convert me and while I accept them and their right to believe as they will, I do feel that the restricted view of God only in the male aspect and the restriction of women from fully participating as priest(esses) in contemporary and mainstream religion is a hamper and tragedy. Woman has much to bring to this area and it is so sad that many in Christian and other major world religions see only the patriarch view of things. I do believe the world would be a much better place with women balancing the excesses of men.
Personally, I rather find Isis (of the old Egyptian religion) who inspired Mary in the Christian traditions to be rather fascinating and historically signficant and very interesting to see with modern traditions that still, to this day, worship her.
Sincerely,
Spirit
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 2:05 AM |
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SunBabe
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I'm a great believer in the power of goddesses -- past and present. 
Oh my, just think how efficiently and FRIENDLY the earth would be run.  (Someone had to have come up with the concept of and endorsed "MamaNature", "MotherEarth" etc)
...I wonder whether people would have followed Jesus as a woman, though...especially considering the day and age ~sigh~ There's not exactly a whole lot of representation by women in the Books of the New Testement as it stands today.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 2:44 AM |
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Spirit76
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I wonder whether people would have followed Jesus as a woman, though...especially considering the day and age ~sigh~ There's not exactly a whole lot of representation by women in the Books of the New Testement as it stands today.
The movie "Dogma" did address this Sunbabe and the outcry from some was rather loud. I thought that it was a rather tame movie myself and to see the modern day descendany of Jesus (a woman) as the next savior was pretty cool. The notion of God changing from a man to a woman was also a rather interesting point leaning towards showing the infinite power of the creator - LOL...
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 2:53 AM |
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SunBabe
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I'm so out of the loop when it comes to movies/TV/or DVDs  Is this also a book?
I can also see why there might have been some outcry, but ~sigh~ I can't SEE why (uh, if that makes sense  ) because it's an interesting concept -- unless one gets all hung up and stuck on "gender modification"
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 4:57 AM |
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waterfire
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The movie "Dogma"
I loved God as a woman in that movie.
I wonder whether people would have followed Jesus as a woman, though...especially considering the day and age ~sigh~ There's not exactly a whole lot of representation by women in the Books of the New Testement as it stands today.
Have to agree with this.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 12:28 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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I'm not a Christian, and my beliefs don't ascribe a gender to the Creator, who in Egyptian religion was originally Isis (I believe her Egyptian name was An Set, Isis was the Greek form). I generally refer to him/her/it as him/her/it  .
Ancient Egypt's always impressed me. Equal rights for women, 5000 years ago. They could hold down jobs, own property, rule a country, act as judges, and in some cases, the woman went out to work while the husband stayed home weaving. Isis and Osiris were pretty much equals in their pantheon until Akhenaton came along and switched over to Amon Ra, after which the male dominance that had been introduced by the Babylonians became the order of the day, and the civilization that had done pretty well for 3000 years started to fall apart.....although it's probable that the loss of rights for women was less the cause of the decline of the civilization than it was the result of it. What a concept though...letting people choose their own paths and design their own lifestyles, regardless of gender, as well as recognition that we should be complementary, not competitive.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 12:46 PM |
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Jankia
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If God had Jesus come in the physical form of a woman, do you believe Christianity would have come into being? Why or why not?
I dont think God would have sent Jesus as a woman at that time in history because he knew it wouldnt have been the correct way and I dont think his intention was to create Christianity regardless of who he sent to us.
I do think the second coming of Christ may well be as a woman because God may well know that to be the best in the current time of happening.
If you believe it would have, do you think you would be a Christian today if you are one now? Under the same circumstances as Jesus went through but as a woman,yes I would still be a Christain.
And, what is your automatic internal response to the idea of thinking of God as a woman?
I dont believe God has the physical body that we know of as a man or a woman.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 12:49 PM |
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8Knots
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How can we discuss a "God" whether male or female or of any such omni-essence? Simple answer we dont know? We dont know our physical world. We dont even know our innerselves. We are so ignorant of most of all that we know in "Our" universe. We live by ignorance. The same ignorance that cause wars, generates science, destroying our planet, creates our very existence.
"God", if we are brave enough to admit is a mans creative concept based on imagination and experience. We are just children in a tiny specle of a vast universe that we dont even know. Whether there is a God, is, however, not important to our lives.
Whether male or female is even more irrelevant. Positive and negative, Yan and yin, any forth of duality to nature... Just maybe if you look deep inside ourselves we find neither. Have you ever noticed that nearly all the greatest peoples to mankind fought a battle of sexuality? They were more intouch with their selves, creative selves that made them great.
If we extend our thoughts on to the concept of reincarnation.... people can come back either, either male or female. Plenty of proof positive these days. So, supposing we do reincarnate and we do come back either male or female. What are we???? Why can we be either. Why are there so many gays and lesbians as well as so called "normal" people. Just maybe the balance inside us is the same. We are ultimately both duality. Ultimately "Gods" within ourselves. "Enlightened" Buddhas.
Jesus said... "Look within I am there".
If Jesus was a woman. It would not matter. It is what Jesus taught.... "Truth". He taught Love, Compassion and Wisdom. These would have pervailed if he was a woman. Sadly... Christianity throu time has lost much of the "truths" he actually taught.
Gods, Goddess, Religions.... most are "illusions of man" when an individual or group of individuals gains a little insight to true reality of nature. Even though taught by a true enlightened being like Jesus or buddha or many other greats. Shroud themselves with dogmas, rituals, texts. Professing they are right, they have the answer. Little truths in all yet they dont go further to understand the deeper and real truths.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 12:53 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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I can just see it. Here she is, with major PMS, so she starts a war. Then, she gets into the menopause phase, and it is constantly humid, and rainy, because she's having hot flashes, and she's dripping perspiration down on earth. Not to mention the menstrual cycle.  
Sorry. I had a vision. 
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 3:58 PM |
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8Knots
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Silly thing to see and disrespectful to a discussion thread. Not "Classy", Classyblonde.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 4:06 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Well, we had 'Dogma'i in here...which was a pretty irreverent movie...and we were invited to give our 'automatic' internal response to the idea of God as a woman. That's as valid as any other!
Just a comment though...Little truths in all yet they dont go further to understand the deeper and real truths.
 
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 4:29 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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At least God has a sense of humor. Be God a He or a She.  God has shed tears from the heavens, so why can't God perspire?
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 5:04 PM |
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8Knots
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Then in rational thinking and according to Christian ideology behaviour is based on morality. This includes, "Right Speech", "Right Thinking", etc.
To respect the words of God with love, respect and devotion in mind, body and speech. Including writing, as this is emanating from the mind.
"Only act if you were in the pressense of God"
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 5:15 PM |
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SunBabe
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"Only act if you were in the pressense of God"
Good grief, I thought the premise was that everyone is ALWAYS in the presense of God.
So the "proper" thing to do is spend ones whole life as if we have a stick up our you-know-what? Ick. No thanks.  Personally, I prefer to spend my life as God/gods/whomever/whatever made me...and that includes a WHOLE lot of goofing around about anything and EVERYTHING.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 5:19 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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So the "proper" thing to do is spend ones whole life as if we have a stick up our you-know-what?
Yay!!!!!! And only a Creator with a sense of humor could have created the platypus (oh, and sex ain't exactly dignified either!!)
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 5:25 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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And in my humorous approach, there was some seriousness. My point was, women have terrible mood swings. We are emotional and sensitive creatures. If you think God (male) protects His children, have you ever seen a mother in action, when her children are in danger?
God (male) is more rational and less emotional. Women are too weak and tender. Even the strongest of women have their moments of vulnerability. IMHO. Not that men don't too, but I know how I am in relationships. I do look to my man for a sense of protection. Should I? Maybe not.
When God talks to me, I hear a man's voice. Do you hear a woman's? Then again, maybe you think I'm insane, because I say I hear a voice. Oh well.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 5:43 PM |
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8Knots
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So, do we degrade into arnachy? Because, we are always in the presence of God and it is the right thing to do? Or are we saying God allows the fall of grace.... then when do we stop saying rape, pillage and plunder is wrong. Or do we say we should be so holly with a "if we have a stick up our you-know-what?"
Or do we just simply take the "Middle Path"? Not go to one extreme or to the other.
Just in some things and I would of thought "The subject of God" would at least warrant just a little respect.
Laugh and joke and be humourous is great. Debate is brilliant. But time and place for everything. Humour can be found in God always, but with respect surelly?
People dont go into Churches and Temples to get drunk or to have sex. Plenty of other places for that.
Really it is about standards.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 5:51 PM |
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Classy_Blonde
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God has seen me in my most intimate moments. If you believe in love being the correct path in life, why are you showing me hostility? I am not here to argue with you. I have made a point, and I'm not going to wallow in it. God bless.
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| Jul 1, 2006 @ 6:30 PM |
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8Knots
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Sorry, NOT showing hostility to anyone least of all to one person. Marely debating. Thought, that is why these discussion threads were here....
I made mention of several points that I expected would lead to further debate.
People "state a sentence of information", often with questions. If you do not expect an answer, dont post a question! There were questions that were asked. I merely replied as is the right to all who reads. (Public discussion threads)
And dont expect an answer that will agree or disagree with your train of thought. Least of all dont take it personally. Afterall, we are just human beings trying to play up to a God or Goddess.
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