| Jul 6, 2006 @ 2:48 PM |
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Empath
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Okay, my spiritual 'physicists', here is the new home for Quantum Physics and all things Quantum as relating to Spirituality. It seems that this topic is a tad more in-depth than many Metaphysics-Web of Light members wish to go, so let's try to separate them, and see how that goes.
Quantum physics attempts to define and prove the existence of subatomic particles and their behaviours.
Spirituality is a path a person chooses to travel to reach his/her 'highest self'.
Both deal with energy and manipulating it. Both believe that Light has an intelligence all its own.
My interest is in connecting the two, for I am beginning to believe that spirituality is built upon the subatomic universe.
According to Mark Bancroft, MA:
"This means that if one can fully understand the double-slit experiment, then one will understand quantum physics. The strangeness of the double-slit experiment makes it apparent that at the subatomic level discrete objects do not exist; our perception of reality may be an illusionary phenomenon."
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 4:39 PM |
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Red69Sun
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Yeah........Empath........now, that was interesting.......the connection between QP and Spirituality. 
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:04 PM |
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Bobbelieu
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According to Mark Bancroft, MA:
"This means that if one can fully understand the double-slit experiment, then one will understand quantum physics. The strangeness of the double-slit experiment makes it apparent that at the subatomic level discrete objects do not exist; our perception of reality may be an illusionary phenomenon."
"Nobody understands Quantum Physics!" - Richard Feynman
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:08 PM |
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uncrazy
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In a meditation I once caught sight of what appeared to be a bubble surrounding me. I could see out of it, but was very aware that I was inside of it. Contemplating this I have come to feel that I may have glimpsed my soul. It surrounds me and stabilizes this collection of elements and energy that make up me. This is far different than the picture of my soul/spirit I carried since I was a young boy. I pictured my soul as residing within my heart or behind the sternum. The usefulness of science is that it provides us information that can destroy the superstitions man (even modern man) uses to explain the phenomenon we experience around us. If we destroys our supertions the taboos of each society will begin to fall from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I also believe that philosophy is the art that will eventually link science and religion to the benefit of both.
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:10 PM |
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Empath
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Yet, Bobbelieu, Yet.
Could the bubble have been your aura, uncrazy? Was there any colour to it? Not trying to say it couldn't be your soul, as I cannot personally state what comprises the 'soul' as yet.
Which philosophy do you think will link science and spirituality?
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:24 PM |
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uab_5
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Interesting thread...
Kinda like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
One can not know both the location or velocity of a particle.
Except now I have a major headache. Math and physics were never my strong points. Bad traits for someone with a engineering degree, huh? 
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:32 PM |
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8Knots
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My BSc was in Theoretical Physics. I leave this Topic alone....... what more can i say... 
If anything quantum physics in recent years has just opened a huge big mine field of ignorance of our universe.
Regugitating formulae, concepts, etc is the easy part. Its what they mean that is hard.
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:48 PM |
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Empath
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You had plenty to say on this topic in the Metaphysics thread 8knots.....what happened??? Are you gonna make me copy it all into this thread???  lol
I believe you even mentioned something about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and the double slit theory....oh, and I agree about the huge field of ignorance.....we really know nothing....yet assume so much!
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:51 PM |
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Bobbelieu
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Regugitating formulae, concepts, etc is the easy part. Its what they mean that is hard.
BINGO! I call it "Hiding behind the equations." If you don't know the subject matter well enough to put it in your own words and explain it so it can be visualized by others then you probably don't understand it very well.
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:54 PM |
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Red69Sun
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There we go guys/gals........explain it.......enlighten us!
I double-dare you! 
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:56 PM |
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8Knots
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hrmmm... NOT very nice of you.
However.... one only has to type in key words to gather as much information that is known on the matter, pardon the pun.
Does a car mechanic explain such an easy thing as the working of combustionable gases to his client the car owner?
Does the gardener explain photosynthesis to see the beauty fo a rose?
This topic is the Apex of mans knowledge on the Universe.
What on earth... excuse the pun, are you talking about?
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 5:59 PM |
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Empath
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I am beginning to feel like you gentlemen are saying that we should not discuss this topic because we don't know what we are talking about. I personally see it as a great companion to learning from all that difficult to read mumbo-jumbo, a great place to discuss that which I question, or perhaps find someone who can explain it better.
Also, Bobbelieu, not everyone is a coherent communicator; some are more at home in their formulae, while others are gifted communicators. I don't think it necessarily means they do not understand the topic, although it certainly can mean exactly that.
Yes, 8knots, I have found that when a knowledgeable person encounters someone who is an avid, apt pupil.........yes, they do tend to try to explain things.....I have encountered it all my life.
And I have been searching various websites for months....information is stockpiling.....where do I begin????
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 7:01 PM |
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8Knots
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I think one of the difficulties people are facing with understanding "Quantum Mechanics" is that there is confusion as to what it is exactly.
It is mathematics!
We try to proof the mathematics by experimentation.
Similar to....
2 + 2 = 4
Mathematically its great... we 'think' two of this add another two this will add up to four.
We call this "Addition"
Quantum mechanics is the "Addition" bit.
Now,
how do we prooves the "Addition"...
we get two lollipop sticks and then another two lollipop sticks and see if they add up to four..... Eurrreka!!!!! It does... its works by experimentation.
Sorry, this sounds so simply and even ridiculous but that is the prinicple of Understanding the meaning of Quantum mechanics.
But..... what does it mean in the real world. How can it be used....
There are many things in physics and in life that prooves the mathematics of Quantum PhYsics..... so we know it does work.
But what people talk about is the experiments that help proof Quantum Mechanics. All labelled under "Quantum Mechanics". Physicist talk of the mathematics and the ability to perform experiment and taking the maths even further hence to understand conceptually more of the Universe. Einstein is famous because his discernment of the universe was insurpassable. He thought it through.... and it was proven later.
To be able to explain Quantum Mechanics is to explain the experiments! Or to think up Models that can explain concepts.
people keep mentioning about the Youngs Slit Experiment. 'Electrons that are fired and hit a target through two slits. But they do it in a mysterious way that we dont understand yet.
To me, there is no mystery. As a physicist, (was), it just means there is something we dont know whats going on. Same as people didn't know why an Apple fell to the ground. At this moment in time I see nothing "Mystical". However.... there are other things that I do....
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 7:24 PM |
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8Knots
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But start at basics first...
What is "light' that people are so interested in these threads?
The Light we see every day is "a light wave" right? A beam of light! Different colours too.
Well Sir Issac Newton discovered ordinary white light is made up of many different types of light. Infact light is a wave of energy and we later discover that there are other waves of energy outside the band of normal white light. hence... X-ways, micro-waves etc.
BUT... ut oh.... "BUT" again....
We in more recent times discover light isn't a wave but particles. "Quanta".... Yippppeeeeee.......... "Quanta"...... "Quantum".
But exactly what is quanta and how is it placed in the nature of things?
We all know what atoms are....? Of cause. We know that electrons orbit the nucleous of an atom just like the planets. We know that too!
But where do "quanta" fit in? Welll they are little particles of energy that are part of the electrons. If we jiggle an electron about a bit then quanta either falls of it or joins it. The more quanta an electron has the further away it orbits the nucleous. Think of Jupiter a bigger planet contains much more matter than say mars. But with our little atom and electrons.... quanta or quantum energy can fly from one electron to another. Maybe like an astroid fly from one planet to another.
Your CD drive and many things in the home uses light to transmit signals. "Lasars". There is a lasar in your CD drive right now.... your lcd screen is like a lasar too (Like but not is). Laser is a gun that shoots out light of one partcular colour or wave length. This is the same as only emmiting the same size quanta from an electron. Quantum Energy has various sizes.
This is different "size" light say. Red Light uses less sized energy Quanta than violet light... hence shorter wavelength.
So the mathematics behind this is Quantum mechanics!
By the way.... We really dont know what an electron is or an atom. We can see what they do and we can see what happens when we smash them apart.
But when we use something like an electron microsope to go deep down into seeing an atom... we start getting problems with resolution and interferring with what we are trying to see.
Now to see Quantum material is impossible. We can use them and we do all the time, But we cant see them.
But now, recent discoveries have come up with hundreds of much tinier particles... The whole issue becomes speculartive and confusing because we simply dont know what it is we are looking at.
When we talk of the Youngs Split Experiment it is often with "Electrons" in mind. However, it should be "Quantum Particules".... or Energy.
Both Electrons and Quantum Particles show wave like properties like the ripples on a pond and also particle properties.  
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 7:37 PM |
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8Knots
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The Slit experiment shows us that there is something we are not acounting for in our understanding of nature.
Whether that be spiritual or not is anyones guess. But personally i think not. my reasoning is that as we look up into the sky... we see planets. next we see stars, next we see galaxies, next we see the fringes of something even bigger than galaxies... "Super galaxies"..... what next?????
As we look into our world we have our physical level, then we have a molecular level, then Atomic level, then a sub atomic level and now recently even a super sub-atomic level..... what next"
Where are the boundries? When does a spirit world pop in! At what level is it?
Again, personally I dont think its in either of these directions.
Our spirit world is going through dimensions! Doesn't matter if you go upwards into the heavens or downwards into sub atomic particles, they have four dimensions.... The three cartesian co-ordinates and time.
Things exist in space and they exist in time. It is all "relative". I dont believe in one moment that a spirit world exist within these bounds.
We have to think "Out of the Box" here... another post later. 
Here we come to Light and Energy.....
Interestingly E = mc^2 where E = energy, m = mass and c = the speed of light.
Everything in our universe has energy. .... Cool.... just like we all say.... mass is energy, light is energy.... we are all energy.....
You me and everything else is energy.... what we hear, see, touch etc is all energy.
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 7:43 PM |
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8Knots
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Im getting tired....
If we know all this, this is great!
But lets start looking at another perspective... Spiritual.... and see if there is a "combining". Then maybe we can understand more on what maybe happening in the world of Quantum mechanics. 
Someone taking notes???? 
Think of every aspect of the spiritual world that we have had that interfaces with our material world.
Instead of me writing and writing... lets all start thinking....
What are the main factors with the interface???
Sometimes light? sometimes sound? sometimes there are physical properties like movement? Sometimes there are "thought processes". This bit is a little different because this isn't part of our "Physical Dimension? Or is it?
Enough for now.
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 8:06 PM |
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Patrik707
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Would an eather solve the slit paradox? Like Prana
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 8:38 PM |
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8Knots
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The properties of Ether, may well do. But science has not got that far. Just maybe the new particles that have been discovered in recent years may actual be the matter of the ether??? Would be cool.
But remember that the ether doesn't solve or is part of the Spiritual world. It is just another substance of matter in this world.
Notice that in the spiritual world, there seems to be no time as we know time in this realm.
Astral traveller can travel at the speed of thought. Buddhas can appear in all places at once. God exists everywhere. These things give clues as to the nature of another realm.
People who do clairvoyance, Audiovoyance, telepathy, send and receive with no concept of time.
All meditators practice to be in the "moment'. Being in the moment we can become spacious and open.... eventually our innerselves pass this time concept.
Prana is a concept only. Of energy(ies) that flows through us and through the universe. "Life force energy"?
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| Jul 6, 2006 @ 11:56 PM |
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uncrazy
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I like the idea of looking at interfaces. If we consider that our physical reality is actually bound by the laws we have discovered to date we might imagine that it has an edge. The vibrations within the spiritual realm would likely be beyond what we can detect yet. Angels may have a unique ability to function across this interface, with abilities to operate within the physical and the spirit realms. Other angels may interact with these edge-angels and also a higher edge to a greater realm. The one clue about this might be "as it is below, so it is above". Prayer happens to be an operation functioning across the interfaces. Miracles to us could be normal happenings in our physical world with the element of time missing or not following normal rules. Our sacraments are physical actions designed to show us inner spiritual realities. Just some ideas from the edge of the interface.
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| Jul 7, 2006 @ 12:05 AM |
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8Knots
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Yes, these things could be or seems to be. Would be great to discuss the possibilities here.
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