| Jul 12, 2006 @ 6:50 PM |
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8Knots
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do we become... "You are what you eat"?
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 7:28 PM |
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AngelLight
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I don't think eating animals is cruel per se.....I think the way we "process" and "raise" what we eat in the USA is often extremely cruel.....Read "Diet For A New America" by John Robbins, sole beneficiary to Baskin Robbins who refused to take on his multi million dollar a year inheritence because of the means by which we deal with and treat animals in this nation and the impact of all of this on our world....Yes, our food choices effect our entire world.....old book, but highly enlightening.
Many prefer not to read it because it may then change the way we think about animals and how the way we "process" them for food in this nation impacts our health, our planet, our politics, our economy, our very Souls.
Once a colleague asked me "Why don't you eat meat?"....I said "Read Diet For A New America".....
At least she was honest....She said "No, I like meat too much and I sense if I read it I may not want to eat it again....I just like meat too much"
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 7:40 PM |
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bevrice
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Eight, look at your teeth. See the squared teeth in the front, that means you were made to eat vegetables. Now see your eye teeth, your canine teeth? Those mean you were made to eat meat as well.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 7:50 PM |
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8Knots
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The medical world states we are not supposed to be carnivores.
Our teeth are shaped for tearing and mashing, doesn't mean for either meat or vegetables or for use as tools.
The book sounds interesting.
Sometimes it is said that animals can give their life inexchange for longer, healthier life that we provide in care and medicines. Alas, the amount of cruelty doesn't justify this and the fact of inductions with various hormones, etc.
Remember once delivering post with a company like UPS. Had to drive into this pie making factory out in the country of Devon. Got out of the van, with post and looked around for the main office in a huge courtyard. Four flat bed trucks were there and I noticed with disbelirf all these chickens and pigs. It was disbelief because not one made a noise. It was an eiry silence. They knew! I left and cried.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:01 PM |
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bevrice
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what medical world states that? I saw today, that low carb diets prevent macular degeneration. A vegetarian diet can not be low carb.
A low carb diet, which consists mostly of meats, also lowers your cholestrol the bad one, and raises the good one.
The body has to have protein and iron, it is really hard to get enough of either from just vegetables.
Lol, tearing and gnashing, Monkeys eat all veggies and fruits and they tear and gnash, as do all grazing animals, THEY don't have canine teeth.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:07 PM |
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irish20835
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If God did not want us to eat meat ...He would'nt have made it taste so good!!
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:07 PM |
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bevrice
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okay, let's take this a step further, say you are against hunting deer. I am against hunting them for sport and not eating the meat, but this was wisdom from an old game warden who used to have a Sunday tv show. He said that if the hunters do not have a good harvest, that the deer are over populated and there is not enough food anywhere to carry them through the winter, that they starve to death. Now which is preferable and is more useful, a hunter's swift kill for meat to sustain him and his family or a deer dying of slow starvation and nothing good coming of it?
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:13 PM |
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8Knots
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Vegetable have greater quantities of proteins, etc. We all know things like soya and nuts.
There is so much written on the web, it is better to see written "medical experts" say.
However, just two snippets....
Our anatomy clearly favors a diet based on plant foods. We have the ability to also process animal foods (which has aided humans' survival), but the medical evidence is overwhelming that the less animal foods we consume the better. Dr. John McDougall, one of the most recognized experts on the relationship between diet and disease, explains how the ability to digest animal foods didn't hurt our survival as a race, although it takes a toll on our lifespan:
"Undoubtedly, all of these [meat-containing] diets were adequate to support growth and life to an age of successful reproduction. To bear and raise offspring you only need to live for 20 to 30 years, and fortuitously, the average life expectancy for these people was just that. The few populations of hunter-gatherers surviving into the 21 st Century are confined to the most remote regions of our planet &endash;- like the Arctic and the jungles of South America and Africa &endash;- some of the most challenging places to manage to survive. Their life expectancy is also limited to 25 to 30 years and infant mortality is 40% to 50%. 5 Hunter-gatherer societies fortunately did survive, but considering their arduous struggle and short lifespan, I would not rank them among successful societies."
McDougal asserts that our early ancestors from at least four million years ago followed diets almost exclusively of plant foods.Many other scientists believe that early humans were largely vegetarian. See articles by David Popovich and Derek Wall.
This is intersting for the thread:
One thing is clear in my mind: we are not 'natural carnivores' and until we understand this, our bodies and our minds will not find true health, nor will we attain the civilised standard that we deserve as from our position at the top of the Primates League, nor will our planet attain the order and harmony necessary for it to thrive and remain functional; for what we eat affects not only our bodies and minds, but, owing to the vast proliferation of humans on the globe, what we eat has a great impact on the whole of the earth - but that would lead to a whole new chapter to explain.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:19 PM |
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8Knots
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The "hunting' argument is old news and is prooven to be wrong. Based on the priciples of the 'Balance of Nature". Man messed up the balance and use for self gain.
Countries like the UK have total bans on hunting now. Scientific evidence is overwhelming, many other countries do the same.
Hunting is cruel based on "Loving Kindness". (Another thread).
Would anyone eat good healthy Vegetarian food against "meat and two veg" diets?
What about if you are a vegetarian and you go to someones house for an evening dinner party. You are served meat? What do you do? (Personaly I eat it, but is that right, too?)
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:22 PM |
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AngelLight
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I understand you (pun intended) 8  
No, if meat is served I kindly decline and eat anything else served at the table.
Is it right or wrong? Each person has to explore and answer that question for themselves.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:23 PM |
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waterfire
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what medical world states that? I saw today, that low carb diets prevent macular degeneration. A vegetarian diet can not be low carb.
Bev where did you get this from a Meats R Us magazine, you can get low carbs from a vegetarian diet.
Your other post is just a rationalization.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:39 PM |
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bevrice
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Hmmm, saw it on ABC news this morning. Oh my.
God gave you meat to eat, the bible clearly states that, I think God knows best what is good for you.
Doctors say this one day, and that another day. Just as doctors once said that margarine was better for you than butter.
Not long ago, they were saying that eggs were bad for you, now they are saying that there are great benefits from eating eggs.
Not long ago they were telling people not to eat nuts that they raised your cholestrol, they recently found out they did just the opposite.
GOD knows what is best for you, the doctors say one thing one day, and another the next, but God and the natural thngs he provides for you to eat, the things He said that you can eat, ALWAYS come up the winner, are always right.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:41 PM |
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bevrice
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By the way, I have seen entire pastures full of deer looking for food and finding nothng to eat, I am talking like probably a fifty deers in one pasture. I have seen starved deer.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:44 PM |
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waterfire
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Why did you not tfeed them 
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:48 PM |
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waterfire
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Doctors say this one day, and that another day. Just as doctors once said that margarine was better for you than butter.
Not long ago, they were saying that eggs were bad for you, now they are saying that there are great benefits from eating eggs.
Just eat what you want, again this is all a personal choice. In my life I feel it is wrong for ME to eat animals.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:50 PM |
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8Knots
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I mean no disrespect to Americans but when I came here a few years ago, I was absolutely shocked by the un-healthy foods. And, much worse the advertising on TV about all these diets. Some of it is complete nonsense based on my "English and European" understanding.
So much "commercialism" and distortion of facts has twisted much in different ways.
I now simply think about countries and groups of people and what they eat. Their health, etc.
Bev... this God gave you meat to eat.... pftttt. Personally I cant believe that he taught us to be cruel and killers. One the one hand we are supposed to raise spiritually and on the other not.
As a matter of interest most of all great religious and spiritual peoples were vegetarian. Look at St Francis... he spoke to animals. (He's the man!)
I feel meat effects our thoughts too. Eating meat makes us a tiny bit my aggressive.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 8:57 PM |
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bevrice
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Water
Low carb vegetable diet, lol???? Only if you want to starve to death. You are limited to twenty carbs a day, if you want to keep losing weight. you are going to get mighty hungry. I am on a low carb diet and have been on one for a good while. Let me see, four four carbs I could have a bowl of lettuce, add to that, I cup of celery, four grams, that is eight grams, once cup of spinach which is six and a half grams and one cucumber which is four grams.
Now that means for a whole day, I would get
one cup of lettuce
one cup of celery
one medium cucumber
and one cup of spinach.
This would include none of the protein vegetables.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 9:01 PM |
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Angel54214
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Those that believe in GOD, I found scriptures regarding eating meat...
1Timothy:
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
I find verse 5 in understanding GOD Sanctifies eating meat by faith in his word and prayer through us.
Romans 14:
Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
Therefore, let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.
If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.
So what I comprehend is, if you bicker and accuse someone do to their choice of what they eat, you are weak in your faith.
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 9:05 PM |
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bevrice
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Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things
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| Jul 12, 2006 @ 9:10 PM |
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bevrice
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Amen, angel, and it means that if you have faith, you will not hesitate to eat the things that God provided for you to eat.
10Jesus called the crowd to him. He said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into your mouth does not make you 'unclean.' It's what comes out of your mouth that makes you 'unclean.' "
So maybe, much more important than what we eat to our health are the words we speak.
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