| Jul 29, 2006 @ 12:04 PM |
nothing says it all like "it just ain't so..."
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observed50
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I know the general model of discourse in this forum is what is known as the Triple G's...support for god, guts and glory. We're right as hell, we're brave as hell, and all who agree with our hell will and do live in glory. Triple Gs in any nation represent a segment of a population, usually somewhere near 19-27% dependent on the historical period, for whom a government that touts its 'toughness,' its focus on security and law and order, domestically and globally, will find a die-hard fan base. All information flowing from that government is scripture. All threats it speaks about are of course real, because such governments don't lie ("they know more, know better, than we do"). And when people leave such governments and speak about the lies, disinformation and so on, they are immediately pounced on as traitors, weak, and all the assorted labels needed to paint the one's leaving the herd as the problem, instead of the herd.
Even today, in Russia, there is a vast group of people that miss Stalin. There are many in Germany who miss the clarity of Hitler. Many miss Pinochet in Chile, Peron in Argentina, and so on... State security, loss of personal and civil freedoms, and weapons and war, hallmarks of those governments, and all thriving on the group of the Three Gs - god, guts, and glory.
And is there a legitimate voice of dissent in the world of the Three Gs? NONE. All dissent is sidetracked into some minority of troublemakers, whiners, and similar social detritus that should look at the likelihood of moving out of the country, because 'love it or leave it.' The only voice acknowledged as dissent is that voice raised against the whiners, the babies, the pussies, the spineless, the troublemakers (e.g., anarchists, communists, liberals, terrorists). Those are the real brave citizens...the ones who shout down and put down all those mealy-mouthed whiners...
So though I know these voices represent more pussies, cowards and what not, I thought I would make available again, some of the resources of VETERANS and similar others, who argue against the war, the president, and so on, and who do so to SUPPORT THE TROOPS in some more meaningful way than giving a president a carte blanche with their lives. I know, I know...I'm a pussy, a whiner, a weak spineless commie pinko liberal draft-dodger do-gooder tree-hugger cultural elite dumb farmer .... (please fill in all appropriate labels that are needed to properly distance me from the world of one's own social identity) whose never done nuttin of value and never will until I pass from this earth into the ether where I am sure to go to hell because I've never worshipped a god of any value. But while I am still breathing with my hateful rhetoric that twists the truth, I thought I should remind us of those voices of dissent from within the ranks of those whose lives have been on the line, regardless of their (dis)agreement with the Three Gs.
http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php - veerans against the Iraq war
http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/ - Bring Them Home Now
http://www.cdi.org - Center for Defense Information - former military & intelligence leadership
http://www.cpeace.com/ - Cpeace.com -
http://www.gsfp.org/ - Gold Star Families for Peace - I think we all know what a gold star family is...
http://www.ivaw.net/ - Iraq Veterans Against the War
http://www.mfso.org/ - Military Families Speak Out
http://www.veteransforamerica.org/ - Veterans For Common Sense
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/ - Veterans For Peace
http://www.vvaw.org/ - Vietnam Veterans Against The War
http://americansforsharedsacrifice.org/ - Americans For Shared Sacrifice - to protect against unpopular foreign policy dissent, govts don't ask for shared sacrifice...
http://jack-dalton.blogspot.com/ - 'Straight Speak'
http://www.millionvetmarch2006.com/ - The March for Millions of Veterans 2006 - we support troops under fire while slashing benefits when they get home, and pay while they're in battle...
http://www.pushforpeace.us/civic/index.php?q= - Push For Peace
http://bendermandefensetrust.blog.com/ - Benderman Defense Fund
http://www.baghdadorphanage.org/ - The Baghdad Orphanage
http://www.resisters.ca/index_en.html - Canadian Asylum Seekers Project
And now that I've posted all these ___________ (please place favorite label here) sites, I will now go turn myself in to the government for being such a pussy and not supporting our boys and girls in uniform...
But first...I gots to mow me some lawn! While my spine is still almost there! 
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| Jul 29, 2006 @ 3:51 PM |
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Bj864
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You said it all and you said it in a way I haven't seen before. It needed to be said and you said it.
One can only hope that some on this forum will recognize the truth in it and will also recognize themselves.
I have often wondered what it is going to take to wake people up in this country. Who knows, maybe your post will help.
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| Jul 29, 2006 @ 5:09 PM |
nothing says it all like "it just ain't so..."
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hahohalo
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ooooooooohhhhhh........Long list, but not many members, even when added together. I'll give you just one that supports our actions in Iraq. Plus, their membership is many times the aggregate of all the "pussies" you named. What is it, you say? Why it's the VFW! 
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| Jul 29, 2006 @ 9:56 PM |
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suzieq0808
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Observed, You forgot "f_g." I was standing on a street corner holding a sign while participating in a sidewalk peace rally. My favorite hecklers were 4 men in a pick-up truck. One yelled "Commie F_gs!!" while another hung his bare butt out the window. Let's analyze this, shall we?. Four guys sitting up close to each other in a pick-up. One with his pants down. Who might be the "f_g?!" 
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| Jul 29, 2006 @ 10:35 PM |
nothing says it all like "it just ain't so..."
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Jankia
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Meaning of a Flag Draped Coffin
I hope you take the time to read this..... To understand what the flag draped coffin really means...... Here is how to understand the flag that laid upon it and is surrendered to so many widows and widowers.
The 1st fold of the flag is a symbol of life
The 2nd fold is a symbol of the belief in eternal life.
The 3rd fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veterans departing the ranks who gave a portion of their lives for the defense of the country to attain peace throughout the world.
The 4th fold represents the weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in time of war for His divine guidance.
The 5th fold is a tribute to the country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, "Our Country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong."
The 6th fold is for where people's hearts lie. It is with their heart that They pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States Of America, and the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
The 7th fold is a tribute to its Armed Forces, for it is through the Armed Forces that they protect! their country and their flag against all her enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of their republic.
The 8th fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day.
The 9th fold is a tribute to womanhood, and Mothers. For it has been through their faith, their love, loyalty and devotion that the character of the men and women who have made this country great has been molded.
The 10th fold is a tribute to the father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of their country since they were first born
The 11th fold represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies in the Hebrews eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.The 12th fold represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in the Christians eyes, God the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit.
The 13th fold, or when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost reminding them of their nations motto, "In God We Trust."
After the flag is completely folded and tucked in, it takes on the appearance of a cocked hat, ever reminding us of the soldiers who served under General George Washington, and the Sailors and Marines who served under Captain John Paul Jones, who were followed by their comrades and shipmates in the Armed Forces of the United States, preserving for them the rights, privileges and freedoms they enjoy today.
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| Jul 29, 2006 @ 10:41 PM |
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suzieq0808
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That's a flag that I would burn if it were given to me.
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| Jul 29, 2006 @ 10:48 PM |
nothing says it all like "it just ain't so..."
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Jankia
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ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
"The sun rises but once each day-- maybe; so too is life.
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| Jul 29, 2006 @ 11:29 PM |
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WickedWench
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Hey Suzie darlin? 
Let me light the match for you ok? Then we'll roast some marshmellows..
Triple Gs in any nation represent a segment of a population, usually somewhere near 19-27% dependent on the historical period, for whom a government that touts its 'toughness,' its focus on security and law and order, domestically and globally, will find a die-hard fan base. All information flowing from that government is scripture. All threats it speaks about are of course real, because such governments don't lie ("they know more, know better, than we do"). And when people leave such governments and speak about the lies, disinformation and so on, they are immediately pounced on as traitors, weak, and all the assorted labels needed to paint the one's leaving the herd as the problem, instead of the herd
Sure Observed. Heats getting to you ain't it sugar? Can I fill in the blanks? I just KNOW what's gonna be said.
You nasty evil commie bastard!!. Damn that turns me on no end baby!! 
By the way how about a round of Country Joe's song? Just to make sure it's all stirred up nice and good? (I'm laughing so hard I can hardly type) Editted to fit the occasion.
I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die-Rag---(should make all the war mongerer's happy)
Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Lebanon
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Lebanon
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Bin Laden's son.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Lebanon
.And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Now you can go out and get those reds
'Cause the only good liberal is the one that's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Lebanon
;And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to that Lebanon
Come on fathers, and don't hesitate
To send your sons off before it's too late.
And you can be the first ones in your block
To have your boy come home in a box. (Yup let's fold that flag)
And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Lebanon
.And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
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| Jul 29, 2006 @ 11:31 PM |
nothing says it all like "it just ain't so..."
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hahohalo
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Don't worry Suz, you would never be given one, you aren't capable of earning or deserving your country's honor.
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| Jul 29, 2006 @ 11:42 PM |
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Jankia
Posts: 11,909
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Great,we have another member who contradicts themselves.
First this on another thread...Red Fridays
I'm not aware of anyone aside from Rev. Phelps and his gang who don't support the troops.
Then this adolescent ramble...
That's a flag that I would burn if it were given to me.
Burn the flag or support the troops? Make up your mind or quit trying to use it.
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 1:40 AM |
nothing says it all like "it just ain't so..."
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nah12
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do the ones that protest so not get that it's the blood of soldiers past and present that allows them to be so disrespectful of this country with their freedom of speech, the soldiers that fight everyday to protect that right and the flag?????........talk about wanting your cake and eat it too and having no concept of what they are saying are doing...... 
as the ole question goes, if it's soooooooo bad in this country why do you stay, why not leave and find one that is so politically correct and fits your so called moral standards?......... 
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 2:04 AM |
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hahohalo
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Nah, observed said he was going to africa.Could it be that they didn't want another socialist?
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 2:13 AM |
nothing says it all like "it just ain't so..."
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nah12
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 2:46 AM |
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WickedWench
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do the ones that protest so not get that it's the blood of soldiers past and present that allows them to be so disrespectful of this country with their freedom of speech, the soldiers that fight everyday to protect that right and the flag?????........talk about wanting your cake and eat it too and having no concept of what they are saying are doing.....
Maybe some of us feel that enough blood has already been shed. And maybe we shouldn't be in a foreign land fighting other people's battles for them.
And just MAYBE.....all that about blood of soldiers past and present protecting who's freedom?....Our freedom isn't in jeopardy so what's the point of spilling MORE BLOOD overseas??
where's the war on THIS side of the pond? I don't see one. I see US and Canadian troops overseas fighting.......and they sure as hell aren't protecting THIS land..
You ought to read the words again Nah. I believe sometimes people get so caught up in the "phrases" that the sentiment is lost.
If my son was old enough to join the war? I'd move heaven and hell to make bloody sure he didn't. You'd think after Vietnam you'd have figured it out but no...young men are a dime a dozen so let's send them over to be senselessly slaughtered.
Thats the problem Nah.. Has f*** all to do with anything else so take it and twist it anyway your heart desires
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 3:47 AM |
nothing says it all like "it just ain't so..."
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nah12
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you can look at it any way you so choose WW but remember this, like it or not they are fighting for yours and my freedom and it's their blood and the blood of past soldiers that has afforded you the opportunity to spew your haltered toward anyone that doesn't buy your way of thinking as you so proudly put them down and speak of how no one knows or understand anything but you........so tell me WW who has died and gave you that right??????????????
besides tell the world what you have done to make it a safe and free society in you lifetime......have you gave your life or time for your country?.....or is it just opinions like any one else that makes you such an authority on alllllllll the matters that are discussed??????......so get down off that pedestal you so highly have placed yourself on and join the rest of the lowly crew because my dear you have no more right to be on it than anyone else that has not fought for those rights you so freely use!!!!!!!!!!!
[Edited on 7/30/2006 4:34 AM]
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 8:13 AM |
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suzieq0808
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Burn the flag or support the troops? Make up your mind or quit trying to use it. I'm sorry you don't understand why both are possible. Your insult is out of line.
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 8:19 AM |
nothing says it all like "it just ain't so..."
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suzieq0808
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Don't worry Suz, you would never be given one, you aren't capable of earning or deserving your country's honor. Should my son die in the service, I would be given one of those flags. I would burn it. I would be prepared with a lighter and would burn it right there -- no matter the consequences. There'd be nothing that could be done to me that would be worse than having a dead child sacrificed in a war of agression. I'd invite the press so the world could see because the world needs to see.
Peace is patriotic.
Your insult is out of line.
do the ones that protest so not get that it's the blood of soldiers past and present that allows them to be so disrespectful of this country with their freedom of speech, the soldiers that fight everyday to protect that right and the flag?????
You're confusing disrespect for this country with disagreement with a war of agression. Our soldiers have sworn to protect our Constitution, not our flag. The flag is merely a symbol, a piece of cloth.
[QUOTE]........talk about wanting your cake and eat it too and having no concept of what they are saying are doing..... Your insult is out of line.
[Edited on 7/30/2006 8:27 AM]
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 8:48 AM |
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dixiepixie
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Susieq people are responding to your shocking statements with their opinions. They are not insulting you. Seems to me like you are trying to intimidate people who disagree with you from stating their opinions by posting the statement "Your insult is out of line", everytime someone responds to your public post.
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 9:08 AM |
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suzieq0808
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I understand some of my opinions may be shocking. Disagreement with my post is fine. It's the accompanying insults that I am pointing out.
Make up your mind or quit trying to use it. you aren't capable of earning or deserving your country's honor. and having no concept of what they are saying are doing..... Granted the last may not be an insult but it's an unvalidated judgement nonetheless.
Then yours:
Seems to me like you are trying to intimidate people who disagree with you I don't see that stating my observation of an insult is intimiding? Unless my observation is accurate. Then so be it. When I post, I try to post to the point, not to the person. I see so many thread get sydetracked with personal insults. What I'm trying to do, rather than intimidate, it point out those personal insults, unvalidated judgements, etc. If you want to know what I'm trying to accomplish or say, ask me.
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| Jul 30, 2006 @ 9:14 AM |
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Jankia
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To me any American citizen that burns the flag my personal friends have died for and my current friends children are fighting for obviously has no idea what IS out of line.
Its unbelievable our state had to pass a law to stop said flag burnings at the funerals of our servicemen.My hat goes off to people like Grumblebear,an MD member that travels the country just to attend services for our fallen soldiers.
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