| Aug 7, 2006 @ 3:23 PM |
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MotownManiax
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READ THIS BOOK!
I touted this book in earlier thread and believe it's more appropriate now than ever. It came out in 2006, so is definitely current regarding the world's present condition.
Before you think this is just another tirade by some ultra-conservative hack that delights on beating up on Europe, the author is a gay man who moved to Europe to escape what he felt were the prejudices and suffocation of America, only to find Europe was much worse.
In summary, the book outlines Europe's rabid, rampant anti-Americanism, and how the European elite -- media, politicians, and educators -- routinely distort news and history, and promote ideological cranks and dangerous misfits to further promulgate the view that the greatest threat to the world is American power and culture, not terrorism. In Europe's never-ending quest for multiculturalism, and to avoid offending any non-European, immigrant group, it is unwittingly allowing its Muslim population to radicalize. Europe's deeply ingrained policies actually prevent healthy integration, and rewards immigrants to form distinctly homogeneous and separate cultures which, in the case if Islamism, makes them extremely hostile to the very freedoms and benefits they enjoy in the countries they now reside.
I originally got a used copy on Amazon for about 8 bucks, but I see the price has gone up, maybe because it's gaining popularity.
It's not very long, only 237 pages, so is a very quick read. Anyway, if you want some background about the book and a place to order....
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385514727/002-5600138-1228042?v=glance&n=283155
Reviews:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060402/news_mz1v02clash.html
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2006/02/a_book_worth_a.php
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/cgi-bin/showarticle.pl?articleID=1386&terms=
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| Aug 7, 2006 @ 3:49 PM |
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spongebob777
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I've got longstanding internet friends from all over the world so I've learned that most of the horror stories about foreign views of America are mostly garbage as are the "tolerant views" of most people in the world.
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| Aug 10, 2006 @ 7:45 PM |
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Icillewolf
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You're right Bob.....as a Brit, the vast majority of us have no problem at all with the people of the US. We do sometimes question your Governments Foreign Policy as we do ours. But, if the crap ever hits the fan, we know which side of the pond we would align to, and it ain't with Chirac and his mob......
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| Aug 10, 2006 @ 7:56 PM |
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spongebob777
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I don't really think of Great Britain as part of Europe and I think that's pretty common among a lot of us. Yours is an island nation separate from Europe.
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| Aug 11, 2006 @ 8:59 AM |
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MotownManiax
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Yep, Icille, Great Britain does a much better job understanding global terrorism than the rest of Westernized Europe. That's simple fact.
Maybe mainland Europe is waking up. Scandinavian countries (long notorious for coddling and marginalizing their immigrant populations) have started to rewrite their immigration laws to make it clear they won't tolerate importing religious extremism. But they have a long way to go in reorganizing the basic structure of their society and overhauling policies toward their non-native groups.
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| Aug 12, 2006 @ 10:12 AM |
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WickedWench
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as a Brit, the vast majority of us have no problem at all with the people of the US
I'm not sure where you've travelled in the world Icellwolf but I disagree with that statement. I base it on personal experience and knowing numeous Brits (my extended family) and having travelled extensively.
Interesting...another "Anti-Muslim" thread courtesy of Motown  They do have drugs for your paranoia you know.
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| Aug 12, 2006 @ 11:11 AM |
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Icillewolf
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I was speaking as a Brit, living in Britain, about the general feeling of the British people. My opinions are based on what I hear from friends, relatives, work colleagues and more importantly listening to the media such as talk, discussion and other debating forums. No way are my observations intended to reflect how the rest of the Int'l community feels about the US people.
As for my travels, I've visited much of mainland Europe and Cyprus, South Africa is my second home as my younger brother has lived there for twenty years and I must have spent around 14 months in total in visiting the US, so I do get around a little bit....... 
Anyway, maybe I've been lucky as I haven't met an American I didn't get along with. I have a soft spot for the Texan folk and all those that I met were fantastic apart from the fact they did their damned hardest to feed me up in a vain attempt to get me Texan sized...... 
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| Aug 12, 2006 @ 2:11 PM |
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WickedWench
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Iceille I've met plenty of Americans (living next door) and I've yet to meet one in person .........that I didn't like or have a great laugh with.
There are lots of them alllllll over these forums but there are some that give off a really bad attitude which is what the rest of the world sees.
And dislikes
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 2:55 PM |
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MotownManiax
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Interesting...another "Anti-Muslim" thread courtesy of Motown They do have drugs for your paranoia you know.
And yet another misjudgment and misrepresentation of my views and motives by WW.
Your continual blindness and apparent willingness to be the official apologist for global radical Islam only makes your views about the subject more and more irrelevant.
Terrorists everywhere applaud you. 
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 2:58 PM |
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PsychoMagnet
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They do have drugs for your paranoia you know.
What kind of drugs?
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 5:23 PM |
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tricky1963
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" it is unwittingly allowing its Muslim population to radicalize "
this bit of your thoughts is correct. BUT.. the problem is because Blair is seen as a pupett of Bush ... this is leading directly to the radicalization of a small but very very dangerous young mulsim group in Britain. Basically due to us supporting the US from day one with YOUR war on terrror. We went ito Iraq on a lie... we are currently geting killed ever day in Afganistan and our own Muslin youth blows up the tube... 50 + dead in London.
IT BIS A PITY WE WERE NOT AS LATE FOR THIS WAR AS THE US WAS FOR THE LAST WORLD WARS
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 5:28 PM |
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tricky1963
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Chirac - his mob ... it is a pity his mob was totally right on Iraq and the US and the UK totally stupid ... how many thousands are gong to have to die before we get out and apologise for the mess we have made.
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 5:49 PM |
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spongebob777
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The french are pathetic. They fed Jews to the nazis to save their own worthless asses. While they were doing their usual whining about us and Iraq they were quietly gunning down civilians in west Africa.
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 5:59 PM |
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tricky1963
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quietly gunning down civilians in west Africa ??????????? 30 years ago ?????
only people gunning down any one is dim gi's killing and raping in Iraq. or do you only see the local news like most yanks ...
The French have a much better understanding of the Arab world than the US or the UK
May be thats why the world now needs France to help get a stop to the killing in the Lebanon with your shells ....
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 6:11 PM |
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spongebob777
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??????????? 30 years ago ?????
2003 Genius
http://www.freewillblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/4745/
[Edited on 8/13/2006 6:39 PM]
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 6:40 PM |
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dixiepixie
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" it is unwittingly allowing its Muslim population to radicalize "
this bit of your thoughts is correct. BUT.. the problem is because Blair is seen as a pupett of Bush ... this is leading directly to the radicalization of a small but very very dangerous young mulsim group in Britain. Basically due to us supporting the US from day one with YOUR war on terrror.
Oh puhleeeze!!!!! American and British citizens disagree with many of our government's decisions but we don't go around trying to sneak bombs on airplanes filled with innocent civilians because of it. It's people like you who rationalize the murderous savage behaviours of radical Muslims that encourages that sort of thing. There is no rationale for that type of butchery. Radical muslims are bound and determined to annihilate anyone who doesn't believe the way they do. PERIOD. They will use use any excuse to justify it. It's obvious why a coward would empathize with the limp wristed, girlie men that now lodge in modern day France.........
The French have a much better understanding of the Arab world than the US or the UK.......May be thats why the world now needs France to help get a stop to the killing in the Lebanon with your shells .... Not according to this
................http://mondediplo.com/2004/02/08hijab
BANNING THE HIJAB
France: hate and the hijab
The French government’s draft law banning overt religious signs at school, directed at the wearing of the hijab, has divided public opinion to an unprecedented degree; there were demonstrations in Paris and other cities in January. Behind it lies France’s serious inability to integrate even its second- and third-generation Muslim citizens.
............http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4375910.stm
"Ghettos shackle French Muslims
Rioting by youths in a Paris suburb has highlighted the discontent among sections of France's immigrant population."
............http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=18631
"Symposium: Muslims in France: A Ticking Time Bomb?
France’s Muslim population is exploding and fundamentalist Islam is gaining control over it. French society remains almost completely oblivious. "
only people gunning down any one is dim gi's killing and raping in Iraq. or do you only see the local news like most yanks ...
First of all any soldiers accused of crimes have to be tried and convicted before we can state they are guilty...If they are guilty they will be punished. Also, if they are guilty you can't take the actions of a few rogue soldiers and broadbrush the entire U S military by making statements indicating they all do that.
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 6:59 PM |
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spongebob777
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More on the oh so superior french.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/20/1045638424862.html
http://www.petertatchell.net/international/mugabefrance.htm
Mugabe protected, human rights protesters arrested
“At 3pm, the Paris gay rights group, Act Up, staged a lively, short-lived protest outside the Zimbabwean Embassy. When one member threw fake blood at the building, the police arrested nearly everyone - even television cameramen and protesters who were not involved in the paint throwing”.
“Just over an hour later, outside Mugabe’s hotel, the Plaza Athenee, Zimbabwean exiles and refugees unfurled banners calling for his prosecution on torture and murder charges. They were immediately arrested, driven away in a police bus and taken to a nearby police station where they were locked in the cells. I only escaped arrest because I had been delegated to phone up journalists. Soon after the others had been seized, the police came for me. But I got away”, said Tatchell.
“The entire apparatus of the French state seemed to be organised to protect Mugabe and suppress any protest against his murderous regime”.
http://www.zimvigil.co.uk/reports/paris.htm
http://www.somalilandtimes.net/2003/57/5709.htm
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| Aug 13, 2006 @ 9:04 PM |
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Icillewolf
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The French can't sort their own country out, let alone dealing with Lebanon.
Anyway, the Frogs are still sore at the Germans waltzing through them like a dose of Epsom salts.......(twice!!!!...... )
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