| Sep 4, 2006 @ 6:38 PM |
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Jankia
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Cities across the country currently have or are planning to stop mobile soup kitchens from serving in public view.No street corner or city park servings.I understand taxpayers not wanting certain people to use there parks and streets to live on but there is something wrong about wanting to hide poor homeless people from the richer.
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 6:41 PM |
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tyrannyforyou
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they do that in morgantown, west virginia to keep the homeless from the view of the university. the cops chase them out and who knows whatever happens to them but i would say there are a few washed up near the dam.
they don't want to help anymore. they want them to be someone else's problem.
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 7:04 PM |
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Always_Striving
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003089027_webhomeless27.html
http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/03062006/south_of/91132.htm
http://www.anitraweb.org/homelessness/columns/anitra/lynching.html
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Homeless_Attacked.html
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 7:32 PM |
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suzieq0808
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Orlando's having a little trouble enforcing their new ordinance. We did it again today.
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 7:33 PM |
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DoorWatcher
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Did what, Susie??? I'm slow... 
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 7:39 PM |
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suzieq0808
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Served a picnic to the homeless people in the park. We fed about 150 - 200 people today. Various groups feed people on different days in different locations. Orlando passed an ordinance against such sharing but can't seem to enforce it even when we do it in front of City Hall. Maybe because we do it in front of a bevy of ACLU lawyers and another bevy of news cameras.
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 7:47 PM |
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DoorWatcher
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 7:58 PM |
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suzieq0808
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No praise for me. I just show up in costume with store-bought cookies. The Food Not Bombs kids are the ones to be praised. They cook all day and are willing to be arrested. The attorneys are to be praised as well. They're working pro bono. There are church groups who dig into their own pockets and cook all day as well.
Doorwatcher: I took the liberty of pulling this from another post. I hadn't realized that Jankia had started this one when I posted on the other one.
How, in the name of all that is good and pure in Humanity, could it be wrong to feed the hungry? Why the need for histories or intentions or reasons why they are there? They are hungry....feed the poor. Give with no expectations.... That's really it, Doorwatcher. Humanity. Society seems to be moving toward dehumanizing the homeless. If we hide them, they don't exist. Kids are getting their kicks out of killing homeless persons lately. Someone I know what beaten up recently for protecting a homeless person. A drunk, just getting out of a bar at closing time, was going to kick the crap out of the homeless guy "just because."
There were at least two pregnant women there today. That especially breaks my heart.
[Edited on 9/4/2006 8:09 PM]
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 8:56 PM |
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irish20835
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Orlando's having a little trouble enforcing their new ordinance. We did it again today.
keep up the good work by sticking it to OPD and Buddy Dyer 
as per our discussions before...we may be pretty much opposed on everything else ..but this is the stupidest law ever in the orlando area...i would be proud to be the one to bail ya out of 33rd street
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 9:22 PM |
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suzieq0808
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Aw, thanks Irish! It's kinda weird being on the same side of the issue as both you AND Jankia. Double weird. Hehehe!
Pssst! Jankia, it's the ACLU who'll be defending religious freedoms in this lawsuit. It's a Christian thing to feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and I forget the rest at the moment. There are other freedoms that are being violated as well but freedom of religion will be included.
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 10:54 PM |
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Jankia
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I knew we couldnt disagree on everything susie 
Glad to see all of you in support of the homeless,I didnt know what I was going to run into posting this info especially after reading about your fights, in your cities.
This sure isnt a good sign of where our democracy is heading is it?
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 11:18 PM |
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DoorWatcher
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Just think about it for a moment....a lawsuit needed to feed the hungry.
Dang! What am I??? The ultimate thread killer???? Geez...I'm getting a complex.
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| Sep 4, 2006 @ 11:52 PM |
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Always_Striving
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Volunteerism is good, I once fed a homeless man a Jack-N-the-Box full breakfast meal. He was in pretty bad shape.
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| Sep 5, 2006 @ 5:23 PM |
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Bj864
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One has to wonder why they can't put forth some effort into shelters or something located out of town.
I used to have this dream. If I won the lottery, I was going to buy some acreage and build shelters for the homeless. Even drew up the plans for them (rough sketches only). I also, had a place they could work and get on their feet, if at all possible. In fact they would have to take part in the work (whatever they were capable of), in order to remain at the shelter. There could be a small manufacturing plant on the premises. If they were totally unable to work, they could be referred to medical or mental facilities.
If I can think of this, why can't the leaders in this country?
Isn't this the kind of thing we want our tax dollars to go for?
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| Sep 5, 2006 @ 5:53 PM |
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Jankia
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You have to remember BJ that many of the homeless do work.If they dont have a home they most likely dont have a car either to get them to the city,so they live where the work is.
The city shouldnt hide them from opportunity should they?
Like in the city there are country places for the homeless now.Migrant workers are housed on site in Wisconsin.
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| Sep 5, 2006 @ 7:04 PM |
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suzieq0808
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Yes, many of the homeless do work. Orlando has such urban sprawl, it'd be quite a distance to put them out of the urban area. That's really our point in insisting on using the downtown park rather than the under the highway abandoned parking lot the city has provided. Everyone has the right to use a public part, not just the wealthy or those who are dressed and/or groomed properly. If I can take my lunch to the park to eat, why does anyone think that I shouldn't have the right to sharere my lunch with anyone I choose?
Another thing about Orlando. Since the city is trying to gentrify the poor district where most of the social service organizations are, there's been a moratorium on improvements and even on repairs for those social services buildings. No expansions, no improvements, and no repairs. Orlando is one of the angriest cities. It's also one of the meanest. I love Orlando but I hate this part of my city.
BJ, I love your idea. It's an excellent model. It's similar to the business model where I work. We accept donations from the community. We have a warehouse, a sorting room, and trucks. We have 4 stores to sell the donations. The stores fully support the Adult Rehabilitation Center (drug and alcohol recovery program) including administration. Half of the workers are outside employees, the other half are beneficiaries of the recovery program. And we send 30% of our Gross Sales to the regional office to support worldwide programs. Our model works very well. Substitute donations and retail stores for factory and materials yours will work as well. You're a smart woman BJ.
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| Sep 6, 2006 @ 7:44 PM |
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Bj864
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The city shouldnt hide them from opportunity should they?
It isn't that I am agreeing with what the cities are doing. I don't.
I think you and Susieq are probably right in that some of them work.
What do you think the answer is to the homeless problem?
I used to see this one fellow often when I lived in Holly Hill. He was obviously homeless. He was the one the teenagers beat to death. Would you believe I really missed seeing him walking down the street? I was so sad by what happened.
Another fellow used to come to the park where I walked every day. He would never look at anyone and always sat alone. I told my son I was going to hear his story one day. I finally caught his eye and spoke to him. For a few days I just said hi and then one day I just sat down and started talking to him. I started sitting down at his table when my walk was finished. After awhile another walker sat down. Pretty soon his table was the meeting place for a bunch of guys to have coffee every morning. Everyone tried to find a way to help him with no success. Lo and behold a friend of one of the guys heard about him and offered him a job cleaning up the grounds of a small trailer park. He gave him a small trailer to live in. It still brings tears to my eyes when I think about him.
Not all stories about the homeless are success stories though. I sure had a problem with a couple I tried to help.
Anyway I think any society that would turn their back on the neediest of us, is not a society that I want to be part of..............................
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| Sep 7, 2006 @ 11:20 AM |
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kattsmeow
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Hm, I like the idea of doing it on city grounds. Now, what if you did it on the Court House lawn? Isn't it a right to be able to assemble there?
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| Sep 7, 2006 @ 11:45 AM |
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MarysPlace
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But why the whole in-your-face approach? From suzieq's posts so far I've only been able to conclude that her group is more interested in public display and therefore making the news than actually helping whatever cause they have on a given day.
Can't people be helped quietly? Kinda like Paul Newman does. Do you ever see him on TV? No. Does he sit around all day and preach to anyone that would or wouldn't listen? No. But his products sell and the profits go to charity.
So why bring out the homeless for display? They are not the zoo animals, you know. If you bring them to "share lunch" where your average middle class lunches every day, it's bound to be frowned upon. People work all day and don't want to be reminded of the bad things in life during lunch. Or maybe they don't want to have lunch next to somebody who smells. Yep, that's right. Neither would you. So they are gonna be unhappy and show it. You think that's gonna be a pleasant sight for the said homeless? I don't think so. You think that unhappy people trying to have lunch are gonna jump and help? I don't think so.
The all out attack is not always the best idea. Sometimes it's far better to do stuff quietly and/or in a roundabout way. Kinda like Paul Newman. Oh, have I mentioned him already?
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| Sep 7, 2006 @ 6:40 PM |
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suzieq0808
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Katt, We didn't share dinner in front of the Court House but we did share in front of City Hall and in front of all the local press as a special treat. Generally, the groups who provide food just go where the people are and feed them there. The city wants to move them to a dangerous area of the city. We feel the homeless have as much right to all areas of the city as those of us who have homes.
Mary, you ask, "Why bring the homeless out for display?" As I said, mostly groups bring food wherever the people already are. Inviting the press is to call attention to the inhumane and unconstitional law so that law will be overturned. What if some passed a law that banned makeup because makeup is offensive to a few? What would you do Mary? If you wanted the law overturned would you wear makeup at home or on the city streets and in front of City Hall?
As it stands, in our city, you can not bring a blanket to the park and lie on it to find cloud pictures, to count the stars, or just chat with your honey. This is because they're trying to legislate the homeless out of the park. How many more of your rights and privileges are you willing to give up in a vain attempt to get rid of the homeless? I'm not willing to give up any more and I want some back.
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