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Silvertongue62
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Recently large demonstrations have taken place across the country >protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of illegal immigration. Certain people are angry that the US might protect its own borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and, once here, to stay indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.
Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover
me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest ( except for when I broke into your house).
According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard-working and honest, {except for that breaking in part}. If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there. It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do, and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard-working and honest,,, um, except for well, you know.
And what a deal it is for me!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and I want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me !!
Why can't people see how ridiculous this is ??
Only in America.... if you agree, pass it on ( in English ).
Share it if you see the value of it as a good simile.
If not , blow it off along with your future Social Security fund
So what do you think?
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| Sep 17, 2006 @ 6:11 PM |
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spongebob777
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So what do you think?
I think more people should do what I did and vote open border globalists out of office in their primary races and vote in security first candidates in the general elections.
Good bye Joe Schwarz can't say I'm sorry to see you go. 
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| Sep 17, 2006 @ 10:04 PM |
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sealacamp
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I think the federal government should have rounded up everyone at those rallys sorted out who was legal and who was not then ship the illegals out. One excuse you hear often is " We can't find them all." Well they had most of them cornered at those protests. I didn't see any officals doing anything but guarding them. And they were waving Mexican flags not US flags. They don't want to assimilate here they want to turn this country into some third word refugee camp. Voting is a minor step. Getting people to enforce the laws already on the books is the major step. I wish I knew how to make them do their job. Citizens arrest, citizens arrest.
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| Sep 17, 2006 @ 10:09 PM |
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SunBabe
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Or reinstate the old laws?
Chinese Exclusion Act of May 6, 1882 (22 Statutes-at-Large 58)
Provisions:
Suspended immigration of Chinese laborers to the United States for ten years.
Permitted Chinese laborers already in the United States to remain in the country after a temporary absence.
Provided for deportation of Chinese illegally in the United States.
Barred Chinese from naturalization.
Permitted the entry of Chinese students, teachers, merchants, or those “proceeding to the United States ... from curiosity.”
On December 17, 1943, the Chinese exclusion laws were repealed.
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| Sep 18, 2006 @ 4:35 PM |
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FeliciVagano
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I think your example is flawed..
Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when you discover
me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm hard-working and honest ( except for when I broke into your house).
According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay... .
there is legal precedence to make their case..
...People have the right to keep unwanted intruders off their property.
They do this all the time, sometimes with fences or with signs,
sometimes just by asking trespassers to please stay away. In cases of
serious, repeated annoyance or threatened harm, landowners can call the
police. They will usually warn the person to stay away and, if
necessary, make an arrest. Trespass is a minor criminal offense, and
someone convicted of criminal trespass can be fined and jailed.
Another kind of trespass is more permanent: using another's property as
an owner would use it. If someone drives across a neighbor's land every
day, it is a trespass unless the owner has granted permission or the
driver has a legal right, called an easement, to use that part of the
neighbor's property (see "Easements," below.) The other neighbor who
just put up a fence two feet over the boundary line is trespassing, as
is the one whose garage has been in the wrong place on the neighbor's
property for several years.
These trespassers can also be asked to leave or warned away. But
there's a chance that any of them may in fact have a legal claim to the
property.
ADVERSE POSSESSION
Many landowners are surprised to learn that under certain circumstances,
a trespasser can come onto land, occupy it and gain legal ownership of
it. The trespasser may acquire a few feet of property or whole acres in
this way. If someone is using your property, even a small strip on the
edge, you should be alert to the risk.
A trespasser may also gain a legal right to use part of someone else's
property; this is called a prescriptive easement. (See "Easements,"
below.)
The legal doctrine that allows trespassers to become owners is called
"adverse possession." Although the name sounds nasty (and the results
can be), the trespasser is not necessarily an intentional evildoer--far
from it. The trespasser may simply have made a mistake--relying on a
faulty property description in a deed, for example. In rural areas, the
person who moves in and occupies several acres may believe he owned it,
having purchased it from a scoundrel who sold someone else part of the
Brooklyn Bridge. Questions about ownership often wind up in court after
an absent owner of rural property discovers that someone is living on
his land or, when a piece of urban property is sold, a title insurance
company refuses to issue insurance because the neighbor's garage is
found to be standing squarely on the property. If the people involved
can't work something out, the property owner may sue the trespasser, or
the trespasser may bring a lawsuit to quiet title--a request for the
court to settle who owns what.....http://www.lectlaw.com/files/lat06.htm
IMO It would be better to fine all employers who hire undocumented workers.. no jobs mean they have no reason to stay.. (and eventually go home..)
but this seems to be too complicated to enforce... 
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| Sep 18, 2006 @ 4:40 PM |
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tyrannyforyou
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F.V.- I agree with fines on the first offense. The second offense should involve the contractor or business owner losing their business license for a minimum of a year.
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| Sep 18, 2006 @ 7:03 PM |
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Jankia
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Adverse possession is an application of traditional statute of limitations. Once the cause of action for trespass arises, the landowner has a certain number of years to bring an action.Typically ten years gives homesteader rights to that property. Once that time has passed, the trespasser can no longer be evicted from the property, since the trespass action is time-barred.
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| Sep 18, 2006 @ 7:16 PM |
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FeliciVagano
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Adverse possession is an application of traditional statute of limitations. Once the cause of action for trespass arises, the landowner has a certain number of years to bring an action.Typically ten years gives homesteader rights to that property. Once that time has passed, the trespasser can no longer be evicted from the property, since the trespass action is time-barred.
Jankia, I am impressed...these are your words..right? Thinking that most claims of "right to stay" by illegals has to do with the time they have been here..not - just because they are here...
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| Sep 20, 2006 @ 12:01 AM |
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Silvertongue62
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Felici I applaud your EXPERTISE & tenacity but.............
This is an article I came accross in the new issue of business weekly.
Sooooooooo I guess my example isn't flawed because I didnt give you one. I only asked what you thought about the whole thing.
IMO It would be better to fine all employers who hire undocumented workers.. no jobs mean they have no reason to stay.. (and eventually go home..)
but this seems to be too complicated to enforce...
Your idea is right on. Except when you get to the last part. This is not complicated to enforce. I employ thousands of people and if the penalties were stiff enough, I dont think I would break that law. The root of the problem is, we have one of the most socially acceptable corrupt political systems. Everything and everyone is for sale. Who is it that benefits from receiving higher profits and paying lower wages? Is it the working stiff who is not a stock holder in a major corporation? or is it the single parent who has to work two just just to maintain a level of being broke? The answers are all too simple. If we as americans would learn to vote for ourselves and not for what we deem socially affluent these issues wouldnt plague us one bit.
no jobs mean they have no reason to stay.. Correct-o-mundo
The sad part is as long as poor people (the majority) continue to vote as though they are stockholder in companies that employ Illegals for the sake of exploitation (GREED). People like me will continue to get Undeserved, Unwarranted, Unfair, and unjustified tax breaks while middle america (household combined income of less than 277K a year) pays the tab.
Now thats my opinion
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| Sep 20, 2006 @ 12:32 AM |
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Palomino
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while middle america (household combined income of less than 277K a year)
Whoa....that's what middle America is now? I'm freakin in the poor house!
Oops....what am I doing in the politics forum? 
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| Sep 20, 2006 @ 12:40 AM |
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Silvertongue62
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No that is just the border between the haves and the have nots according to the US census report and the US budget. It may be higher now but that is without kids two years ago.
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| Sep 20, 2006 @ 1:07 AM |
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Palomino
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Well...I've got a 22 year old "child" that lives with me and I make less than $50,000 a year. I think I need to go out and clean up my old van to sell. 
Ooops...I went off topic of illegal immigration. Sorry 'bout that. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around that since my grandsons are both half Mexican...but their dad is legal here. I am around his family a lot and his mom can't speak English, but she is the sweetest person ever (she's also legal). I'm of the mind that Mexico become part of the United States...and the Hispanics will be subject to American taxes, health care, and laws. I say if we can't beat 'em, then they should join us.
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