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8Knots
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In 1997:
Nearly one million children in Iraq are suffering from chronic malnutrition, according to a report by the United Nations Children's Fund.
The Unicef report said children are bearing the brunt of economic hardship in Iraq. The number of malnourished children represents an increase of 72% since international sanctions were imposed on Baghdad.
The Unicef representative in Baghdad, Philippe Heffinck, said: "What we are seeing is a dramatic deterioration in the nutritional well-being of Iraqi children since 1991."
"It is clear that children are bearing the brunt of the current economic hardship. They must be protected from the impact of the sanctions. Otherwise, they will continue to suffer, and that we cannot accept."
The Unicef survey came out shortly before the Security Council considers improvements to the programme, which allows Iraq to sell limited amounts of oil to buy food and medicine. The aid-for-trade agreement is aimed at alleviating the impact of UN trade sanctions.
TV crews asked to film suffering
The Iraqi cabinet are holding an emergency meeting to discuss the impact of sanctions on children.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/35065.stm
CNN
August 6, 1999
Web posted at: 7:55 p.m. EDT (2355 GMT)
U.N.: 1 million have died under embargo
The United Nations estimates 1 million Iraqis, mostly children, have died under the sanctions. The Al-Thawra newspaper gave a higher death toll, claiming 1.5 million people have died as a result of the embargo.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9908/06/iraq.sanctions/
DO YOU WISH MORE????
...but you know, that is a terrible accusation to say that 800,000 children are dead because of the US.
Yes, because its a hell of a lot more... right!!!!
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| Nov 6, 2006 @ 11:26 PM |
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irish20835
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Bill Clinton ...wow i knew he was bad...but genocide ...wow 
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| Nov 7, 2006 @ 3:52 AM |
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LisaRenee811
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Mr Knots, the answer is simple enough. Sadaam killed them and partially the reason he was sentenced to hang. Have you followed his trial at all? Have you read what he was convicted of?
Irish, as you probably know, Knots just copied and pasted from another thread:
http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_88_13479_6/Saddam_to_be_hung.html
Note: Even if it were true, a 72% increase to a million, would have meant that about 600,000 children were malnourished even before the UN sanctions, or the Gulf War.
Since he also used my quote to Doorwatcher in his paste, I will include my response there as well:
Knots, if you cannot impress us with brilliance, you can sure try to baffle us with BS. And now, anger? ...  ...lol.. You are finally learning!  After 2 years, you can now post references!  Did you notice, there was no mention of adults being malnourished and suffering in your references? Odd, that the parents would let their children starve. CNN and BBC were reporting duplications from The Al-Thawra newspaper. Guess who owns that? UNICEF did not go around and count these children and they based their reports from the fed sensationalism to have the sanctions lifted. Guess how many children are reported to being malnorished in the US? Iraq, being further biased to religious sector, had the same problems before the sanctions. All right Knots, read real slow, so you can understand this. The US is not the UN. It was UN sanctions, of which Russia, China, France, etc. all belong to and guess what? ... not one vetoed the sanction itself.Now, the real problem that Iraq had and still has with health and children: The majority of children's deaths, are based on poor quality of water, the infrastructure and the resulting bacterial problems already posted prior. Partially, this happened because of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and the resulting Gulf War, not the sanctions themselves. The other part, is that prior to the UN sanctions, the infrastructure was already antiquated, with the same problems on a smaller scale. Bottom line, is that Sadaam had the resources to provide clean water, rebuild the infrastructure that was already antiquated, but chose to use those same resources for self, his military and not his people.Read my prior posting that further contradicts your accusations that the sanctions of the US caused 800,000 children deaths in Iraq. It is not the case, but even if the sanctions did cause these deaths, it would be because of all of the major countries in the world, not just one. Knots:"Have them on your conscience for ignoring them and remember! Fool"!Absolutely none are on mine. Why Knots, how much money and help did you send over? I know, none! That is all right, as it would never have made it to the children. More likely, it would have put some more gold in one of Sadaam's palaces. Now, what part don't you understand again? Knots"Yes, because its a hell of a lot more... right!!!!
FOOLS!!!!! Go learn oh ye the ignorant."Ohhhh, little loser has to post durogatory remarks with exclamations too! There is the aggressive of your passive/aggressive personality. Squirm little guy, you are still trying to baffle us with BS. Is it possible, that if I don't clear out winks, that you could not send another?PS: I still say that hanging Sadaam is way to lenient! |
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| Nov 7, 2006 @ 11:30 AM |
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gyspydreamer
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Hmmm muslims have been killing each other for eons, and have used their own kids for human shield, but all of this is the US's fault? NOT! They knew what would happen when they basically declared war. Have never really cared about what happened to their kids before. Just want to use it as media hype trying to gain sympathy claiming it is all the fault of the US. I'm not buying it.
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| Nov 7, 2006 @ 12:03 PM |
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8Knots
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Mr Knots, the answer is simple enough. Sadaam killed them and partially the reason he was sentenced to hang. Have you followed his trial at all? Have you read what he was convicted of?
He killed many people but many were not killed by him but because of the first war when the infrastructure was destroyed. You could say the coalition forces just threw a grenade into a Town Hall full of people. Hoping to get the right person.
Irish, as you probably know, Knots just copied and pasted from another thread:
http://www.matchdoctor.com/thread_88_13479_6/Saddam_to_be_hung.html
Yes, because the other thread was about "Saddam to be hung". These Posts quoted by me in the other thread is more appropriate for this new thread.
The references are all still by me.  And hold.
Note: Even if it were true, a 72% increase to a million, would have meant that about 600,000 children were malnourished even before the UN sanctions, or the Gulf War.
NB: "Even if it were true". Having doubts?
I suggest you go read all the reports. I don't see why you argue with "official reports". Do you have one? Are you a member of UNICEF? UN? Red Cross? etcetra....
Knots, if you cannot impress us with brilliance, you can sure try to baffle us with BS. And now, anger? ... ...lol..
Anger? In a thread.... you fool yourself with words.
You are finally learning! After 2 years, you can now post references!
Go back to last years Posts and see that you are incorrect, yet again.
Did you notice, there was no mention of adults being malnourished and suffering in your references?
Suggest you go read ALL the reports! 1.2 million adults died? We were discussing the children here but fine, ADD another million lives!
Odd, that the parents would let their children starve. CNN and BBC were reporting duplications from The Al-Thawra newspaper. Guess who owns that? UNICEF did not go around and count these children and they based their reports from the fed sensationalism to have the sanctions lifted. Prove it!!! Are you saying the Reports by the Humanitarian organizations are also copies from Al-Thawra newspaper?
All right Knots, read real slow, so you can understand this.
The US is not the UN. It was UN sanctions, of which Russia, China, France, etc. all belong to and guess what? ... not one vetoed the sanction itself.
I NEVER said the US was responsible. But alas, I can add that the driving force WAS/IS the USA.
The majority of children's deaths, are based on poor quality of water, the infrastructure and the resulting bacterial problems already posted prior. Partially, this happened because of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and the resulting Gulf War, not the sanctions themselves. The other part, is that prior to the UN sanctions, the infrastructure was already antiquated, with the same problems on a smaller scale. Oh..... I see.... it wasn't the fault of the Coalition Forces despite the fact they threw in the grenade!
Here we see excuses being placed on so called previous blown up utilities. DUH!!!!
Bottom line, is that Sadaam had the resources to provide clean water, rebuild the infrastructure that was already antiquated, but chose to use those same resources for self, his military and not his people.
The nation was just demolished and fed a Band Aid.
Read my prior posting that further contradicts your accusations that the sanctions of the US caused 800,000 children deaths in Iraq. It is not the case, but even if the sanctions did cause these deaths, it would be because of all of the major countries in the world, not just one.
Sorry but this is blown out of the water. Fools Talk!!!!
Knots:
"Have them on your conscience for ignoring them and remember! Fool"!
Absolutely none are on mine. Why Knots, how much money and help did you send over? I know, none! That is all right, as it would never have made it to the children. More likely, it would have put some more gold in one of Sadaam's palaces.
Of course not. You have no compassion or wisdom. Please dont try to "fish in the dark" with me.....
Now, what part don't you understand again?
Sorry?
Ohhhh, little loser has to post durogatory remarks with exclamations too! There is the aggressive of your passive/aggressive personality. Squirm little guy, you are still trying to baffle us with BS.
Bring it on.......
Is it possible, that if I don't clear out winks, that you could not send another?
Accusing others of sending "Winks" or emails is shows the kind of deceitful person you are. Waste my time!
PS: I still say that hanging Sadaam is way to lenient!
You are entitled to your opinion. Although LipGloss shows more wisdom and compassion that is rather incredible for someone so young. Full marks to her. Yourself.... *choke.
So. Lisa Renee or whatever you call yourslef these days. You have the last word. I give it you FREE!
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| Nov 7, 2006 @ 2:54 PM |
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twotall911
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oh who cares he's sentenced to die with in thirty days
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| Nov 7, 2006 @ 3:08 PM |
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8Knots
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oh who cares he's sentenced to die with in thirty days
No disrespect twotall, millions were killed one way or the other. If we dont care then we open ourselves to loosing our "humanity".
It has been all too easy to sweep 'death' under the carpet. Seems to happen all the time these days.
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| Nov 7, 2006 @ 9:21 PM |
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eastham
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I remember very clearly Barney Frank's speech on the House floor that pro-lifers are convinced that life begins at conception and ends at birth. Apparantly, the same people on our airways don't care about the deaths of children and pregnant women if they live in Iraq. Oh, tut tut, they must all be terrorists! So much for their accusations that liberals have no moral compass.
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 1:18 AM |
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LisaRenee811
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Oh geez. give your biased 1997 report a rest. The UN put the sanctions on Iraq, so blame the whole world, or Britain. Next...
Knots: I NEVER said the US was responsible. But alas, I can add that the driving force WAS/IS the USA. Oh, you did and have in other threads.
Duplicate thread, once again, needs duplicate content:
Slowly, as government reports become declassified, the real truth evolves.
In 1985, you Brits built Iraq's Falluja2 chemical plant, that ultimately is responsible for the murder of hundreds of thousands, if not millions ... and that is what you are trying to sweep under the rug! And you have the audacity to blame the US for anything.
In retrospect, it was almost ironic that British forces found Falluja2. But by then, it was full of pralidoxine and atropine, that the British also sold to Iraq in 1992.
Only partially declassified, Britain's Falluja2 will require most prior studies of humanities and blame to be thrown out, or re-evaluated.
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Go home Knots, your homeland is waiting for you. You Bastards were and are largely responsible for all of those deaths ... men, women and children. Even Thatcher was in on it. Have you any idea the pain of death from nerve gas? Your country then lured us into this War with promises of WMD and since Britain built it, who better to know?
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Britain and France start crap all over the world and then con the US into picking up the pieces. Now, 3,000 more American lives lost and counting, almost a $Trillion tax dollars and no end in sight. We have done it for years, even in Vietnam, so yes, our leaders have to be idiots.
Everyone else understands, but you. Got it!
I am all for hanging Sadaam and the Brits that gave him the chemicals he used! Maybe better, is to put Marguret Thatcher and Sadaam in a cell and forced to live together.
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 9:22 AM |
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8Knots
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LisaRenee Says
Knots: I NEVER said the US was responsible. But alas, I can add that the driving force WAS/IS the USA.
Oh, you did and have in other threads.
Duplicate thread, once again, needs duplicate content:
Where? Please.
YOU and others automatically assume I blame the US for everything. This isn't true. You should realise this IS in the main americans here discussing america. The exception of a very few Canadians and Europeans.
AND Yes, Britain stinks too for their actions. Many other countries too. Yet the US is the dictator here. A wolf under sheeps clothing. I would suspect because of arms agreements and the flurishing arms trade.
Out of all this 'mass murder' guess whos making a huge hansome profit and oh so bouyant in an otherwise ailing economy? The mass arms market, logistics, raw materials, etc...
The whole issue stinks from all sides. PERIOD!
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 9:33 AM |
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Blondino
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An Iraqi woman at work said its a worse place to be now that it was before the Invasion of Iraq by foreign troops.
No work .. No gas ... 70% of children with no schools or education.... fear and lawlessness which includes rape .. not enough food ... no medication ...
No will will ever know the true number of children killed and effected. I for one am ashamed of having my country involved in the invasion. Its a breeding ground for hatred and revenge and young people growing up hating the west.
God Bless the innocents
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 9:42 AM |
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Blondino
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Hmmm muslims have been killing each other for eons
Yes moslems have been killing each other for a long time ..... but then again so have christians ... Northern Ireland ... is one example.
Moslem or Islam is not a nation ... so of course they have wars . They are different cultures with different languages just as ..................... A Nigerian or a Australian may be a christian but it does not make them all brothers .
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 10:46 AM |
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gyspydreamer
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"Its a breeding ground for hatred and revenge and young people growing up hating the west."
Works both ways, muslims all over are going to feel the heat for what the others are doing. Already are.
"God Bless the innocents"
AMEN!
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 11:01 AM |
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violette1967
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Children are starving everywhere, even in our own backyard's. All around the country. Sometime's it's the parent's fault, sometime the local goverment is to blame, sometime other goverments.
When it comes down to it......it's humanity's fault. We just don't care enough, care and don't have the means to help, or it's to much red tape.
If humanity came to gether, realized that all life is precious.....why all the killing, starving and murderous behavior would and could cease!
It's time to stop playing the blame game, get together and help eachother.
JMHO
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 11:08 AM |
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Blondino
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well said V ........
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 11:09 AM |
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Blondino
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well said V ........
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 11:15 AM |
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Blondino
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Remember the huge majority of law abiding peace loving muslims who just want to get on with their lifes ...... are not guilty
They never have seen or met a terorist ... dont agree with it and am totally against violence. I am one of them. I will not be blamed by others for an act of some maniacs in the name of religion.
Are The Bin Ladens still Bush snrs business partner ?
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 11:19 AM |
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8Knots
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Best thing I have heard in a life time.... (above two postees)
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 11:23 AM |
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lj450
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If humanity came to gether, realized that all life is precious.....why all the killing, starving and murderous behavior would and could cease!
Three cheers for Queen Utopia!!!!
*sings softly*.....these rose-colored glasses.......
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| Nov 8, 2006 @ 11:41 AM |
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violette1967
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Yes LJ,
It seems such a simple answer, but for some reason the hardest one to follow.
What get's me is that it would take hardly any effort at all. Ensure happiness, harmony and content.
Yet humanity insist's on fighting over land and resources and religion.
I sometimes just don't get us!
Can't we just share and get along?
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