| Nov 28, 2006 @ 6:11 PM |
Bush says he's going to stay the course.
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Bj864
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What in the world is going on?
Today, Bush told the American people, The Iraq Study Group, The Military, Iraq and everyone else, that he is sticking to his way, in spite of everything that has and is going wrong. Only "victory" will do (he still doesn't say what victory is). He is "not" leaving Iraq. He is "not" talking to Iran. He won't even admit there is a civil war going on and is blaming the violence on Al qaida.
Obviously he is "not" going to listen to anyone, other than himself! Even though the American people sent their message with their votes, does it matter to him? I thought a president was supposed to lead, not dictate.
It looks like there is going to be some kind of major battle coming to D.C. A lot of the Republicans are now turning on him. I don't think the same old, same old, is going to be acceptable anymore.
I expect he is going to be impeached and taken out of his job. Even though Pelosi said she wasn't going there, she may be forced to.
His way or no way. That was pretty much the message we all got today. I don't think its going to work anymore. I sure hope not.
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| Nov 28, 2006 @ 6:20 PM |
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swingpup
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In January things will hopefully begin to change. Obviously he's not listening to the people. Bush seems to be in his separate little world, very defiant of We The People.
With Republican Baker at the think tank helm I don't think we shall see any abracadabra moves before January. I wouldn't run out and purchase any Haliburton stock today.
Bet your bottom dollar as unfortunate as it is that the Republicans will milk the war for all they can get for as long as they can get it.
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| Nov 29, 2006 @ 9:35 AM |
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Bj864
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I think we have to ask ourselves "why" it is so important to "stay the course".
Obviously there is a reason. Since the course they set us on has led to more and more violence, more deaths, more injuries, more displaced people, more destruction and more financial costs, why would they want to continue it?
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| Dec 2, 2006 @ 8:09 PM |
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suzieq0808
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I think we have to ask ourselves "why" it is so important to "stay the course". This isn't a well thought out response -- it's just me sort of putting a couple of things together. 1. Bush has never has a clear reason for the war on Iraq. 2. Bush wants to be remembered as a "war president." 3. Now Bush is soliciting contributions to build a $500 million presidential library. It will dwarf Clinton's library, perceived as extravagant when it was built. Why? It will ensure The Bush Legacy. The bigger the monument he can build for himself, the greater he will appear to be in history. All this is about GW and his place in history.
Bush just gets more and more disgusting as time goes on. Slimey, sleezy b*****d....
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| Dec 2, 2006 @ 8:40 PM |
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Gentlegiant127
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Add to this McCain backing up Bush by saying that we should send more troops to Iraq. What do the people who like McCain think about that?
Myself, I admire McCains military service, but I definitely don't agree with some of his views and would not vote for him when he runs in 2008.
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| Dec 2, 2006 @ 9:34 PM |
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eastham
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I thought one and all would appreciate Donald Rumsfeld's ooops, I %#^##$ed up exit memo.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/03/world/middleeast/03mtext.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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| Dec 2, 2006 @ 9:57 PM |
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Glock22shooter
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GG, I wouldn't vote for McCain either, but that's because he's a Rino. The theory of putting more troops on the ground is a valid one, more troops, makes it easier to put down the rebels. I also understand Bush's reasons for being there, he's a little early. What he's doing should be done decades from now. Anyone that denies the middle east bred hate for the West prior to this war is an idiot. Bush believes that if he can get a democratic government in Iraq, that the anti western views will soften, and many will turn pro western. He's not the only person to have believed this.
Excuse me, I have to put on my infidel shirt.
Ok, I'm back. The muslim problem is one that has to be dealth with, and I personally do believe that the war in the middle east has kept us safer here. We know beyond any doubt what so ever that the measures of this war, and the hated patriot act have saved lives here at home. And just so you know, the original ideals and uses of what would later be named the patriot act where put into place under FDR, except he was far worse. Imagine what would happen now days if it was common knowledge that you and the FBI had insane amounts of information on everyone, whether perceived to be a threat to the country or not. Wire tapped US civilians for far less reasons than placing international phone calls to numbers flagged by the NSA for the possibility of use by terrorists, and had rounded up thousands of Muslims and placed them in camps like FDR did the Japanese in WW2.
The very few Muslim clerics here speaking out against the violence on TV have for the most part, all been caught on hidden camera preaching hate against the US and West in general. The footage was shown on the FOX news special a few weeks ago of one cleric doing it. Make no mistake about it, Most muslims hate you and want you dead, those that don't, sure are afraid to say so publicly.
Now there is a side of me that says bring our guys home, and let the middle eastern 'tards blow each other up for a few more decades, then go help them out of the stone age, but that's not safe for us to do.
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| Dec 2, 2006 @ 10:10 PM |
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budo13
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GLOCK i have expressed the same view but they don't get it they rather hand out flowers and sign kumbaya while the wolves devour thier young. 
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| Dec 2, 2006 @ 11:23 PM |
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Glock22shooter
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Ayup, they'd rather us take the hit than our military fight. How many more 9/11's will it take? Seeing as how I was a firefighter on 9/11, I guess I'm insensitive towards the feelings of the Muslims and should care about them and try to understand them. Sorry, I learned everything I need to know about islam on 9/11
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| Dec 3, 2006 @ 3:13 AM |
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Novalite
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In January things will hopefully begin to change.
Not likely. Anybody who thinks the US is going to give up on Iraq as an operating base in central Jihadist territory is fantasizing, no matter who is in charge of the US.. The British have kept Gibralter for three hundred years and, there is every sign the US intends the same in Iraq. At stake is Conservative Fundementalist Islam against the West, a movement which is like a cancer in the impovershed Muslim world . To give up on Iraq is to hand it to them on a plate and, given the way they handle things (Taliban and Afganistan) it's a non starter to say the least.
Anybody voting for a party other than the Republicans had better make sure they understand EXACTLY what the people they vote for propose and plan to do to combat Caliphate bound groups (and governments) that support, or allow these people to operate within their borders. If they promise things like to get out of Iraq without a plan to combat Conservative Wahabbists then they are going to be a short lived reality when the next strike happens in Paris or the US.
How many more 9/11's will it take?
Wanna see facsism? It will take one more. Then the REAL war will start. Paris, London, New York and more will all turn into a police state (Orwell himself could not imagine) leaving a couple of glass parking lots n the end. It all comes down to what daddy used to say: "keep crying, I'll give you something to cry about." We can only do so much, if that isn't enough then the shift has to move from help to protection. Myself, I don't want it to reach that stage., Hard as it is, you have to look at WHO the people are that are terrorisng Iraq. They do it not for the people but for their repressive theology. If they had political power, they would be part of the government. So, those that support giving up in Iraqq, support repressive government. Funny, thier argument at home is that the government is too repressive.
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| Dec 3, 2006 @ 9:30 AM |
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Glock22shooter
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^^^great post.
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| Dec 3, 2006 @ 9:33 AM |
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sciurusniger
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It is a good post.
But I would still like to see a return to the old days, when the Commander in Chief or king, etc. led "his" troops into battle himself.
I honestly think we'd find a lot less haste in the escalation of violence if their own lives were at stake, too.
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| Dec 3, 2006 @ 9:57 AM |
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graywolf
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Well stated Nova.
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| Dec 3, 2006 @ 8:15 PM |
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Glock22shooter
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It is a good post.
But I would still like to see a return to the old days, when the Commander in Chief or king, etc. led "his" troops into battle himself.
I honestly think we'd find a lot less haste in the escalation of violence if their own lives were at stake, too.
I could be wrong, but I don't recall us ever having a time when our president (sitting) led our military. But I'm glad you want all those jews dead and for Nazi Germany to rule Europe and probably us. We'd be Amerika, not America. Somehow I don't think FDR could have led us to good from his wheel chair. But of course you're right, we shouldn't escalate problems if the president can't shoot to. 
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| Dec 3, 2006 @ 11:11 PM |
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Novalite
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Somehow I don't think FDR could have led us to good from his wheel chair.
I think that while it may impede the ability of the President to hold meetings with the leaders of allied countries, acess intelligence and strategic advisors it's a pretty good idea. And while he out of the loop in some fox hole ducking bullets, we can have an army private run the white house and do crazy things like nuke Iran, North Korea and such. 
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| Dec 4, 2006 @ 6:38 PM |
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FeliciVagano
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But I would still like to see a return to the old days, when the Commander in Chief or king, etc. led "his" troops into battle himself.
I honestly think we'd find a lot less haste in the escalation of violence if their own lives were at stake, too.
I concur.. the evidence has overwhelmingly been that most everyone in President Bush's white house war ensemble have done their best to shirk any danger to themselves prior to declaring war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
...."There's more combat experience on the 7th floor of the State Department than in the entire Office of the Secretary of Defense," quipped the high-ranking State Department official to a room filled with senior military officers last month......Other major administration hawks, such as Elliott Abrams -- of Iran-Contra fame and now a member of the National Security Council in charge of democratizing the Middle East -- and Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Strategy John Bolton also avoided military service during the height of the Vietnam War, reportedly for medical reasons. They, too, were law school-bound.....
.....As for the ''axis of incitement'' -- those beating the war drums loudest outside the administration -- members of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), the Center for Security Policy (CSP), and the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) also appear to have done what they could to avoid the uniform during the Vietnam War. The chairman of Rumfeld's Defense Policy Board (DPB) and one of the most visible advocates of military action to oust Saddam, Richard Perle, spent Vietnam at the University of Chicago (along with Wolfowitz) before joining the staff of Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson,
.....Here's a startling fact: only four of the 32 prominent right-wingers who authored the now-famous Sept. 20 PNAC letter to Bush urging him to extend the war on terrorism to Iraq -- as well as Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinian Authority -- have any military experience. And three of those four were in the reserves like Bush.
http://www.alternet.org/story/14070
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I found this editorial interesting and feel that the author has made a valid point...
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/opinion/16150679.htm
Our presence in Iraq serves a larger strategy
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER
.........If we really had been in the grip of “idealism,” we’d be deep in Chad and Burma and Darfur. We are not. We are instead trying to sustain fragile democracies in three strategically important countries — Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon — that form the geographic parentheses around the principal threat to Western interests in the region, the Syria-Iran axis.
We are trying to bring democracy to Iraq in particular because a pro-Western government enjoying legitimacy and popular support would have been the most enduring means of securing our interests there. Deposing Saddam & Sons was essential because they posed a strategic threat to the region and to U.S. interests. But their successor — the popularly elected Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki government — has failed.
The United States should be giving al-Maliki a clear ultimatum: If he does not come up with a political solution in two months or cede power to a new coalition that will, the United States will abandon the Green Zone, retire to its bases, move much of its personnel to Kurdistan where we are welcome and safe, and let the civil war take its course......
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