| Jan 12, 2007 @ 7:08 PM |
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thegoodideaman
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I have a Question...
I liked Bill Clinton
allot of People didn't,
some pretty nasty things where said about him...
and it didn't bother me at all,
(to me it was enough that I liked him)
but if you say anything bad about George W. Bush...
somebody will try to rip your guts out with there keyboard...
I don't understand,
why is that?
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| Jan 12, 2007 @ 7:13 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Clinton was a fallen man personally, though if that was really the media's, Conress's, and the American people's business was a different matter.
Bush is leading a war. A bigger war than we have been involved in for some time.
They're two different cases, really.
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| Jan 12, 2007 @ 7:32 PM |
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thegoodideaman
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I wasn't really comparing the two men,
or the two presidencies...
but the fervor with witch there supporters defend them...
so you think it's the war...
if Bill Clinton would have committed our country to bigger,
longer lasting conflicts...
then to criticize him would have been UnAmerican?
or is it about the Tragedy in New York on September 11th 2001...
if that would have happened a few years earlier while Clinton was president...
would people have the same Attitude...
(if you don't love him your on the side of the terrorists)?
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| Jan 12, 2007 @ 8:27 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Heck, I voted for Clinton twice!!!
Never voted for Bush.
I would have felt the same way if the roles were reversed.
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| Jan 12, 2007 @ 10:32 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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goodidea, what i was trying to explain, was kind of where the fervor comes from.
clinton is generally seen as a fallen man with little to no morals because we know he cheated on his wife with an intern. he did lead some military causes during his presidency, but they do not at all compare to the current iraq war. he also did not lead this country out of the worst terrorist attack that it has ever seen in its existence.
george w. bush would have been a lame duck without 9/11 and iraq, i think, but because of both these things, and how people feel when they think about 9/11 and the need to end terrorism and to prevent another 9/11, they feel that because george w. bush showed extreme leadership after the 9/11 attacks and led a war that a lot of people believe was right at its start, he should be defended.
i hope you understand what i meant.
there is a comparison between the two men to be made when it comes to this argument.
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| Jan 12, 2007 @ 11:06 PM |
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kattsmeow
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That is a good example and explanation LGQ. 
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| Jan 13, 2007 @ 2:48 AM |
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thegoodideaman
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I understand what ya mean LGQ9
if it's all th same to everybody
I think I'll continue to like Bill,
flaws and all...
( I'm not very bright )
they're are worse humans on the planet...
and if nobody else likes him, that's cool too...
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| Jan 13, 2007 @ 3:28 AM |
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Novalite
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Clinton was a very intelligent charmer who used the media well whereas Bush did not. Matter of fact, so many things need to be explained properly to the masses that Bush should be ashamed for not telling it the way it should have been. At the very least, hispress staff should have been replaced a long time ago.
To the crux of the question, yes, Clinton would have done the same thing Bush did in respects to the war on terror and invasion of iraq. however, it would have been better explained to people who think it is a simple and transparent event. I also believe that Clinton would have done a better job and, have been able to gain more cooperation from international forces in reguard to military actions taken since 911.
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 6:43 AM |
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midnightthunder
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Clinton did listen to people something Bush is incapable of doing, his way or the highway.
Bush refuses to disclose information that every president before him was required to provide, except for his drug use and driving while under the influence which leaked out.
The "war" on terror enabled the Patriot Act and Homeland security which basically strips us of rights we gained from our independence. He calls his fellow country men racists because they don't want foreign interests controlling our ports.
Washington, Jefferson and Franklin are somewhere shaking their heads in disgust.
Is Clinton a saint, no way and never will be, but talk about a lax attittude, Bush took Christmas vacation to decide the fate of Iraq and our troops, a luxury they were not afforded.
And do we need to mention Halliburton with their famous no bid contracts, thanks to Cheney.
The "war" costing over a billion dollars a month and there is no oversight, tax payers money and also money borrowed from China which could be going anywhere education, health care to name a few. The national debt goes higher and higher, remember what it was when Clinton was in office...interesting.
The November elections showed Americans displeasure with Bush, and even members of his own party are starting to question his thinking and ethics..ohhh by the way Clinton got a bj, so it all evens out.
Morals, getting a bj or worrying about your holidays, while brave troops wait for an answer.....hmmmm
[Edited on 1/17/2007 6:50 AM]
[Edited on 1/17/2007 6:51 AM]
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 7:04 AM |
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Novalite
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Clinton did listen to people something Bush is incapable of doing, his way or the highway.
Was declaring 'Regime Change' as the official policy of the US towards Iraq 'listening ' to the people? You didn't provide an example and instead just went off on to a rant that may or may not have substance. Are you saying that he protected America by allowing a sundry of terrorist attacks to occur without taking any sort of action to dissuade further ones? If I recall, there were about five more attacks on his watch than there was on Bush's so, was that because of him listening to people or not listening? Not that he really could do much about it as there was no event such as 911 to justify substancial action. Instead, he was pretty much restricted to lobbing cruise missles.
So, how did Clinton listen more than Bush?
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 10:31 AM |
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eastham
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Reading Ron Suskind's book, The Price of Loyalty, was certainly an eye-opener about Bush. Reams were written about the high level of engagement of Clinton in cabinet and other staff meetings -- perhaps he was too well-informed and it cut into time for decision making. By constrast, Suskind with the cooperation of Paul O'Neill and others including former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan and EPA Administrator Christy Todd Whitman paints a picture of a president who is fundamentally disengaged and intellectually incurious. So that the picture I had previously had in my head of Bush making a conscious effort to mispronouce words to prove his "I'm just a regular guy" schtick was off by a country mile.
Suskind writes about O'Neill's first meeting with Bush. Remember, O'Neill is the Treasury Secretary, the oldest and most pretigious of the Cabinet posts. O'Neill had a long track record in government as well as business and was the first head of OMB under Nixon. O'Neill prepares a briefing memo for the President, and mentally prepares himself for the rigors of a Nixon Q&A. Nothing. No response, no questions, just a couple of head nods and some nickname tryouts.
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 11:02 AM |
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Strandedboarder
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Considering Clinton's age and physical condition, I think Bush would kick his ass.
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 6:11 PM |
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midnightthunder
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So, how did Clinton listen more than Bush
Well in fairness I did not agree with NAFTA, Clinton didn't listen there, and I feel it was wrong, and cost a lot of people jobs.
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Ok five attacks while Clinton was in office, compared to the over 6,000 people who have died so far under Bushs presidency, not to mention countless numbers of innocent Iraqi citizens.
Bush wanted a study done, after the study, he completely ignored it.....guess that would show one example of his not "listening". He requested this study.
Got rid of saddam, Iraq had elections, there were no wmd's which was proven to be a lie, even the head of the C.I.A said it was...wait another example of not "listening".
Also, according to Cheney we still would of invaded Iraq, regardless.
Katrina, Brown who was in charge of F.E.M.A. at the time said Bush blew it off, the danage that could result, guess he didn't "listen".
Clinton and Bush Sr, did more then Bush Jr.
Two border patrol agents will go to federal prison today because they did their job, and Bush has ignored pleas from all over the country to pardon these men., another example of not "listening" to his country.
The port deal which you may not have read in my previous post, he called Americans racists because they did not agree, He did not even consider the wants of the majority of American Citizen, well guess you can say he didn't "listen". and guess who the U.A.E. went to to solve this problem, Clinton .
He says if anyone has a better plan for Iraq present it, and many have, and what does he do fire his generals, guess he didn't want to "listen" to them.
Considering Clinton's age and physical condition
They are both the same age, maybe we could get a battle royale with Clinton and Gore against Bush and Cheney.
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 6:37 PM |
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eastham
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While Clinton signed NAFTA into being, the agreement, however, was negotiated under the aegis of the Bush41 White House. Also, the legislation implementing the fast-track passage of NAFTA was also enacted before Clinton became president.
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 7:08 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Considering Clinton's age and physical condition, I think Bush would kick his ass.
Which Clinton??? 
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 7:15 PM |
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eastham
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And if it was a Scrabble Challenge, Clinton (either one) would win, even with one lobe of his/her brain tied behind his/her back. 
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 9:45 PM |
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Novalite
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Ok five attacks while Clinton was in office, compared to the over 6,000 people who have died so far under Bushs presidency, not to mention countless numbers of innocent Iraqi citizens.
I didn't compare lives but will now - five attacks, countless Iraqis killed under Saddam, continued violation of a ceasefire, soldiers taking hits all over the Middle East and jihadists preparing and moving into postion for 911. And the response was?
Midknight, still wondering how Clinton listened more than Bush. You, after all, made a rather lengthy post to try and support this statement.
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 9:52 PM |
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Strandedboarder
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They are both the same age,
OMG you're right! Clinton looks like he's ready for the box. Damn...what a difference a good woman makes, eh?
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 10:09 PM |
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eastham
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Boarder,
For comparisons sake, please send in a picture after a month of having sex with Lynne Cheney. You are not obligated from removing the oxygen mask.
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| Jan 17, 2007 @ 10:16 PM |
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Strandedboarder
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That would be adultery. How you could even suggest such a thing is surprising and disappointing.
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