| Feb 4, 2007 @ 12:40 AM |
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DiamondRain
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Think about this next time you hear that 3,000 have died fighting for our freedom in Iraq in the 5 years we have been there.
The pro-terrorist Democrat/liberal/media establishment wants to do everything possible to discourage you from supporting our country to achieve victory in this battle. So they give daily accounts of the US soldiers that have been lost.
But they conveniently leave out the facts that don't support their political ploy. Including the fact that the enemy killed 3,000 innocent people in ONE DAY within the US in 2001.
The Democrats are DESPERATE to have the United States fail in Iraq because they know that, if we are successful, that they have no chance to win elections. They are so overwhelmed with expanding their political power, and causing us to lose the war, that they have no concern whatsoever about the catastrophic CONSEQUENSES of a loss in Iraq or with the future of our country.
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 12:51 AM |
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SunBabe
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The ENEMY on that one day in 2001 was NOT in IRAQ!!!!
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 12:54 AM |
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DiamondRain
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We are fighting Al-Qaeda in Iraq (and other Muslim terrorist groups too).
That's where the enemy is.
Where do you want us to fight them?
[Edited on 2/4/2007 1:03 AM]
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 2:17 AM |
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julia143
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58,148 soldiers killed in Vietnam......
While we are far from this number....if it does not end soon....our enemies will grow in numbers, and thus more of our soldiers killed.
If it does not end soon, what are now our friends, will soon become our enemies.
If it does not end soon, this country will be turn on itself.....
I read an article somewhere that Bush is showing first signs of Alzheimer's and Dementia. Have you ever heard him speak as TX governor? Fluid, with passion and clarity....now...stumbling over his own words, mixing up sayings....
Just saying....
This coming from a young person who does not follow politics all that closely, who hears neither side of the argument.....but yet has concerns about her future....how do you comfort me?
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 7:27 AM |
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Martin666
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Here's my question: why do all you guys keep biting on the bait that the originator of this thread swings in front of your face?
I don't mean to be harsh--it's a serious question. This thread topic is another piece of mindless drivel, but in everyone charges as if they were going to save the day and have a stimulating mental experience by rebutting it.
Some things in life are better left ignored.
So, that's my piece. I'm going to go now so he can attack me. LOL But I'm not going to push the green "Watching Thread" button and turn it red because I'm not coming back to the thread. I have far better things to do with my time than to attend for so much as one more second any more of this idiocy, and I could care less what he has to say--about me or anything else.
It's a free country of course--feel free to have a stimulating mental experience on this thread 
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 8:10 AM |
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SunBabe
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~grin~ that's why I didn't come back after wasting my time...no, learning and reconfiming my facts on Iraq and terrorism.
They're two different "wars"/issues, one started and continuing with "mis -direction"/"mis-information", aka LIES; the other still a muddle, thats major feature has been to implement control and invasion into American citizens lives.
I don't give a rats ass about what friggin' political party(s) is involved. I resent thoroughly, that we/this country (especially ME) have been SCAMMED from Day 1 
If we were serious about fighting TERRORISTS, why the hell haven't we blasted the Basques in SPAIN?
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 9:04 AM |
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belgian
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This thread topic is another piece of mindless drivel
Its not the topic thats mindless, its what was said next...
The ENEMY on that one day in 2001 was NOT in IRAQ!!!!
Maybe if they were in Iraq they wouldnt have been over here hijacking airliners to commit suicide in.
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 9:17 AM |
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DoorWatcher
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^^^ 
Martin: Amen. 
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 9:20 AM |
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eastham
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There were no Iraqi hijackers on any of the three planes used on 9/11.
Here is a very useful article from the Christian Science Monitor on the red herring of linking Iraq and 9/11. http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 9:42 AM |
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bryan2992
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given the fact that the names used to get on those flights had a good chance of being false, and the fact that no bodies were recovered how on earth would you know for a fact that some of the hijackers were not from iraq???? with the terrorist organization being so spread out its as likely that they were from iraq as from anywhere else, also, it is known that Sudam did support al qiada (bad spelling I know) and that some of from that very same group is helping the insurgents now.
also I am sorry if you don't believe getting a man out of power that has killed his own people for dissagreeing with him was worth the effort.
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 9:46 AM |
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belgian
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Terrorist behind September 11 strike was trained by Saddam
Iraq's coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.
Abu Nidal, who was responsible for the failed assassination of the Israeli ambassador to London in 1982, was based in Baghdad for more than two decades.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/12/14/wterr14.xml&sSheet=/portal/2003/12/14/ixportaltop.html
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 10:05 AM |
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Strandedboarder
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If we were serious about fighting TERRORISTS, why the hell haven't we blasted the Basques in SPAIN?
Because we're not concerned with terrorism in general. We’re only concerned with terrorism against the US. And the war has been extremely affective to that end.
Worldwide, and before the war, there were several terrorist attacks per year against US targets. Since the war, and not counting the conflict within Iraq, there have been zero terrorist attacks against US targets. That is what the war has done for us. It’s true we’ve paid a terrible price. However, I believe that the price we would have paid by appearing to allow anyone who might be remotely involved with the 9/11 attack to “get away with it” would have been far, far worse.
We’ve demonstrated to terrorist around the world that no matter how bad they think they’re lives are, being in the sights of the US is worse than their most horrific nightmare. And that is what keeps us safe.
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 10:08 AM |
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eastham
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There was no collaborative relationship between Atta and Iraq or Al-Quaida and Iraq. That was debunked in both the 9/11 Commissions' report and a subsequent report by the Senate Intelligence Committee. While the authenticity of the Atta/Nidal memo and their connection may or may not be true, assuming that Atta and Nidal did have a "relationship", Nidal was not connected to the Iraqi government.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 10:12 AM |
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Strandedboarder
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There was no collaborative relationship between Atta and Iraq or Al-Quaida and Iraq.
Duh! Of course there wasn't...that's what makes us so damn scary!! 
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 10:56 AM |
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SunBabe
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And, belgian, so you're quoting that piece of GOSSIP from the Telegraph, from 2003?  The ONLY piece of publishing that claims Atta and Nidal met. Unidentified "sources" which also supposedly claimed in the same mysterious handwritten memo that Saddam was trying to obtain uranium from Niger (since proven, unequivocally, that that RUMOR was false -- also)
Check out this Newsweek story, for some further details.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3741646/
Nidal WAS a terrorist, for SURE...but he was Palestinian/Fatwah and NOT Al Quaida...
And Saddam WAS a despot, a dictator, but his focus was on regional POWER rather than on religious ideals. He was able to quash terrorism in his own country because of his (bloody) iron fists. His issues were with ISRAEL, not the United States or "Infidels". He was DEFINITELY guilty of GENOCIDE -- very nasty and ugly, but it's not "terrorism". (Why haven't we gone directly after the dozens of others around the world who have been guilty of the same murderous actions?)
Invading Iraq had NOTHING to do with Al Quaida and the so-called "War on Terror". It wasn't even a "premptive strike/self-defense" (which means IMMINENT, proven danger -- the 'reports' of alleged WMD dangers were garbage and mis-used). It was a "preventative strike" (according to international law), which was the FIRST time in United States history that such an action had been taken, the FIRST time that our country was the aggressor before ever being attacked by an "enemy" (according to the Congressional Research Service of the Library of congress)
9-ll was an EXCUSE for starting a WAR...a war that had been discussed and avoided until THIS administration. A war that has proved QUITE profitable to a select few...
It's no wonder that half the world now thinks America and Americans are jerks...or decidely arrogant and evil. I sure don't blame them. I think the same thing, too.
(I'm one who wouldn't have been stupid enough to poke a hornets nest...especially when it had been bees that were stinging me)
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 4:08 PM |
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DiamondRain
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You know you really hit the nail on the head when intelligent and articulate people like Martin are so afraid of the evidence that they won't even address it, choosing instead to disparage the topic with a few juvenile names and then just run off with their tails between their legs.
This topic is a full frontal attack on one of the biggest pieces of leftist propaganda that Democrats have been spewing since the beginning of the battle in Iraq. It is my original idea and my own research that uncovered it. It exposes the hypocrisy of the constant haranguing and hand wringing over the number dead in this effort to combat terrorism. It's a legitimate and powerful point and indicative of the brainwashing that has permeated the Democrat/liberal/media establishment in their attempt to undermine this country's effort to combat terrorism.
I just love to watch the leftists scurry like roaches when you confront them with something new that The Supreme Soviet hasn't coached them how to address yet. 
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 4:29 PM |
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RareQuestor
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How exactly did those soldiers die? I don't recall such severe losses in Bosnia or Haiti. 
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 5:48 PM |
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SunBabe
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MrRain, my apologies. I wasn't aware that the webmasters of the NCTC, CIA, GPO, Congressional Record, Congressional Committee Reports and all those other .gov websites were leftist publications and run by propagandists. These leftist freaks have apparently raided official UN reports, as well.
Do you have any IMPARTIAL, fair, HONEST sources that you might recommend? Where I can find FACTS, not just political rhetoric? 
interesting site, but I don't know the source of the original state:
http://www.milnet.com/charts.html
BINGO!...
~ahem~....from one of those "propaganda websites" that the US government/military presents for our vilification:
http://siadapp.dior.whs.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates.pdf
Yes, I agree. 5,119 US soldiers died from 1993-1997 --- 1 from hostile action, 58 labelled terrorist action...1067 killed themselves.
So what the heck is your POINT?  Suicides have gone down as more are killed in the field? Even that number/rate may have changed since the online US MILITARY and .gov charts aren't quite up to date lately (along with a whole lot of missing data/reports and "webpage no longer available/cannot be found" from formerly available urls )
(sorry the chart's so wide, but I couldn't make it smaller and keep it legible  )
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 6:18 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Hm, explain the 'Homicide one".
Thanks Sunbabe. Good chart!!!!!!!
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| Feb 4, 2007 @ 8:09 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Sunbabe said:
Yes, I agree. 5,119 US soldiers died from 1993-1997 [President Clinton's first 5 years in office]
My point is perfectly clear, that thousands of soldiers die over any multi year period, even in peacetime. And to constantly criticize that 3,000 soldiers died, without making reference to this fact, is a cynical and intentionally misleading propaganda ploy by the Democrat/liberal/media establishment to create sentiment against President Bush and our military efforts against terrorism.
During World War II, Tokyo Rose constantly broadcast misleading and disturbing statements about deaths among American soldiers because the enemy knew that it would destroy the moral of our troops. Now the Democrat/liberal/media establishment in our own country has taken over that job.
At least Tokyo Rose didn't claim to support our troops.
What's your point other than proving my figure is exactly correct? You want to demonstrate that you know how to post a picture?
[Edited on 2/4/2007 8:27 PM]
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