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Blondino
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From reading these threads is seems people have different perceptions of what is racism & what is Racist Behaviour
 Lets Thrash out What It is
Racism
** The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability
** That a particular race is superior to others.
Racist Behaviour
Racism is defined as a belief or doctrine where differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement & one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.[1]
The term racism is sometimes used to refer to preference for one's own ethnic group .... fear of foreigners (xenophobia), ....views or preferences against interbreeding of the races (miscegenation), and nationalism, and/or a generalization of a specific group of people (stereotype); regardless of any explicit belief in superiority or inferiority embedded within such views or preferences. Racism has been used in attempts to justify social discrimination, racial segregation and violence, including genocide. Politicians are known to practice race-baiting in an effort to win constituents.
Racism can be both overt and covert. Individual racism sometimes consists of overt acts by individuals, which can result in violence or the destruction of property. Institutional racism is often more covert and subtle. It often appears within the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and frequently receives less public condemnation than the overt type.
— the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races," that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral features, and that some "races" are innately superior to others.
comments like ....All Chinese are dirty ,, All French stink etc
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 11:24 AM |
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Blondino
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Power+Prejudice=Racism. Racism has also been defined as a "system of advantage based on race." www.unk.edu/offices/aaeo/index.php
Racism is prejudice or discrimination based on the belief that race is the primary factor determining human traits and abilities. Racism includes the belief that genetic or inherited differences produce the inherent superiority or inferiority of one race over another. In the name of protecting their race from "contamination," some racists justify the domination and destruction of races they consider to be either superior or inferior. ... www.adl.org/children_holocaust/more_resources.asp
An attitude, action or institutional structure, which subordinates a person or group because of their color. Racism involves having the power to carry out systematic discriminatory practices. www.gecdf.com/diversity/glossary.html
Judging an individual based solely on his or her racial affiliation.
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personal (attitudes/beliefs/behaviors), institutional (policies, laws, regulations) and social/cultural (beliefs, customs) that subordinates others based on physical characteristics involves use of power plus privilege www.accta.net/2003whitedef.html
 www.letswrap.com/LetsWRAP/Spring97/isms.htm
An assumption that there is an inherent purity and superiority of certain races and inferiority of others. It denotes any attitude, behavior, or institutional structure that subordinates, persons or groups because of their race or ethnic background. Such practices can be intentional or unintentional. web.bryant.edu/~fsp/modules/2/diversitygloss.htm
The stigmatising of difference along the lines of ‘racial’ characteristics in order to justify advantage or abuse of power, whether economic, political, cultural or psychological. freespace.virgin.net/brendan.richards/glossary/glossary.htm
i a phenomenon in which people mistreat, discriminate against, dislike or even hate, have disdain for, or regard as inferior other people based on their real or perceived race. The term is almost always used pejoratively, with accusations of racism being very common but with few describing themselves as racist. The term racialism is sometimes favored as a less negative term by those who hold certain beliefs about other races which they believe to be scientifically justified.
www.encyclopedia4u.com/r/racism.html
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 11:38 AM |
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MarysPlace
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There's a problem with this thread already.
See, white people (at least in the States) cannot openly discuss racial issues because anything, and I mean anything they say that is not politically correct all the way will automatically earn them the label of a racist.
Discriminating against whites isn't racism. Discriminating against anyone else is. Don't ask me why that is, cuz I don't know. One of them PC conundrums, I guess...
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 11:46 AM |
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Blondino
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well as this is thread is in cyberspace and not in USA ... how is there a problem ?
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 11:53 AM |
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MarysPlace
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Read again what I wrote. I thought it was pretty clear.
It doesn't matter that this is cyberspace and not the USA. The majority of participants are Americans, therefore the discussion would be held accordingly.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 12:08 PM |
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ForumMod
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this is a topic that can be discussed objectively and openly, and all nationalities, races and genders are welcome to participate civilly and maturely.
generalizing "americans" or "white people" is already setting things up for controversay.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 12:16 PM |
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Blondino
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Thanks Forum Mod ... I did find it hard to believe what the previous poster said .
races and genders are welcome to participate civilly and maturely.
Thank you for that comment ...... 
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 12:35 PM |
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MarysPlace
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generalizing "americans" or "white people" is already setting things up for controversay.
I was referring to the general climate in the US. What I described has been proven to happen each and every time this topic has been discussed on these very boards or blogs. Hell, posts were removed only yesterday for this very same reason.
Of course I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. Somehow I don't think it would happen.
I did find it hard to believe what the previous poster said .
With all due respect, you don't live here so you cannot know what I'm talking about. Just the same, I have exactly no idea of the situation in Britain as I don't live there.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 12:46 PM |
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spongebob777
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Racism has also been defined as a "system of advantage based on race."
Fortunately we voted to end the practice of affirmative action in Michigan's schools and govt hiring practices. We were called racist for doing it but names mean little to us here.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 12:53 PM |
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MarysPlace
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Personally I think that affirmative action does more harm than good. There was a time when it was necessary, but many years have passed since. To stop racism perhaps everybody should be treated equally in every sense of the word.
Also, my understanding is that there is no such thing as hate crime against whites. That too should change. Discrimination is wrong any way it goes.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 1:06 PM |
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eastham
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While I certainly believe that bigotry is alive an well, I also think there are people who are really sociopaths and who gain pleasure by making others feel uncomfortable and hurt. These are the people, and we all know them, who make a vicious comment followed quickly by a "just joking." Racial, cultural or religious biogted remarks are but only a few weapons in their arsenal, as they are most likely to use a comment that will cause the person on the receiving end the most pain.
I put these people in a separate category, because generally biogtry is viceral, something that's felt. Sociopaths substitute a sort of perverse satisfaction for causing others pain for their lack of ability to feel anything themselves.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 1:15 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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there is no such thing as hate crime against whites
If they aren't called hate crimes, they should be, because they do exist, and they are a problem.
There are black people who hate white people, and it is very much encouraged, the same with white people who hate black people. But because of this country's long history of blacks having to suffer and fight for what they deserve, the hatred of whites and the violence against whites does not get nearly as much attention as it is due. I think that every group, not just whites and blacks, has a problem with hate crimes. Think about it: the Jews, the Muslims, the Christians, the gays, whites, blacks, arabs, hispanics...there are a few that don't seem to have a problem and a few that seem to have a worse problem than others but I don't think that one group deserves more attention than another group because of what they have gone through throughout the history of this country.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 1:21 PM |
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Loreli
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All people are created equal.
As I said in another thread, we all come from varying heritages. I'm Irish and German. My daughter is part Sioux. That doesn't mean we're rowdy drunks, hateful people, or ride horses and shoot people with bows and arrows.
Perception and generalization are stupid, stupid things. I live in Iowa, but I don't raise pigs and cows.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 1:30 PM |
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Blondino
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100% agree Loreli ... I love different cultures .. find them enriching & you can always learn from them
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 1:39 PM |
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MarysPlace
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If they aren't called hate crimes, they should be, because they do exist, and they are a problem.
I should have been more clear -- the law doesn't recognize hate crimes against whites. Unless it's a white gay person... But then it's a hate crime against gays.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 1:47 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Sure racism still exists, and it's not confined to any particular 'race' either. Just as gender bias exists, just not as overtly as it used to. It's hard to tell exactly when it's happening though, and when it's coincidental.
My boss is of Indian birth. In the past year our group has expanded, and most of our new hires have been Indian. Is this because of an overt bias, a more comfortable communication level, or were they just the best qualified? The weird part is that I tend to believe they really were the best qualified (he's no dummy - he knows the only way he can advance is by having the best people possible working for him). On the face of it though, it looks as though he's biased towards people who are more like him.
I suspect that I'm in a rather odd position though. My local workplace houses about 1500 people, many of whom have relocated to be here - I don't think there's an ethnic group that's not represented, either among the worker bees or upper management. The company's German, our local CIO is a Brit, and we have a 'quiet room' for those who need to face Mecca to pray, as well as any other denomination who feels the need for prayer or meditation.
As I said though, I think this is the exception rather than the rule, so I can only say that I don't see much racism. I'm sure it seill exists, because human nature pretty much dictates that it will, but at least it's not as overt as it used to be...My first sit-in wasn't planned back in the 60's - it was a celebratory lunch with a bunch of coworkers, one of whom was African American (I really liked that office too - she was one of the supervisors). We were refused service....at {email address removed} out that a lot of the guests felt the same way we did, and made it clear that either everyone was served or they were all leaving...meanwhile we just sat there and grinned.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 1:51 PM |
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Blondino
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With all due respect, you don't live here so you cannot know what I'm talking about. Just the same, I have exactly no idea of the situation in Britain as I don't live there.
Oh well Forum Mod agreed it was fine to discuss... anyone is free to discuss a topic wherever they are ....its a general topic .. anyone from other countries can give their perspectives.
White people here (UK) can discuss Racism ... or any subject they wish but Discrimination is unlawful black to white and white to black
I dont live in USA ... and dont know from first hand what happens, Just as many people who dont live in other countries pass opinions on things they dont know from first hand ....
Heaven you are one Hell of a Lady ...  respect
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 1:54 PM |
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eastham
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Also, my understanding is that there is no such thing as hate crime against whites.
This is a myth. While there are differences between the federal statute and those in many of the states (some have mental disability and age as protected classes), neither federal nor state laws say the law works only one way on race. I have a friend who was severely beaten in DC. Here assailants were prosecuted under the DC hate crimes statues as well as for assault -- she was white and they were black.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 1:59 PM |
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MarysPlace
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Oh well Forum Mod agreed it was fine to discuss... anyone is free to discuss a topic wherever they are ....its a general topic .. anyone from other countries can give their perspectives.
It has nothing to do with Forum Mod, or cyberspace or anything. I was hoping it was clear to you that when I mentioned the States, it was simply because I can't discuss other countries as I don't live there AND due to the fact that the majority of participants here were Americans.
Please try to read and understand posts and not twist them into something they aren't.
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| Mar 4, 2007 @ 2:05 PM |
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MarysPlace
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From Wikipedia...
Distinguishing features of hate crime legislation
Hate crime laws do not vary significantly between different jurisdictions.[citation needed] Most states have approached hate crime legislation by creating penalty enhancements for pre-existing crimes when those crimes were motivated by hatred, bias, or prejudice, based on the victim's inclusion in one of several legally-specified protected minorities. Thus, commission of a hate crime requires that two elements be proven. First, it must be shown that the defendant committed an enumerated predicate offense, such as assault, robbery, manslaughter, or kidnapping. Second, it must be shown that the defendant had illegal motivations based on the victim’s minority status (see thoughtcrime).[citation needed] Other questions on the statute of hate crimes or "hate speech" may include harassment of those individuals who are of a certain socioeconomic class, the homeless who are open targets in violence against them, persons diagnosed with AIDS, provincial/regional backgrounds (i.e. "redneck" jokes in the US), and political party affiliation are said can be subject of verbal and sometimes, physical abuse.
Maybe not such a myth, after all?
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