| Mar 7, 2007 @ 4:26 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I learned in sociology that studies have shown consistently that children adopted by gays turn out just as healthy and happy as children raised by straight parents, and are also not affected by their parents' sexuality (some people like to believe gay parents would raise a gay child).
So, in that case, what is the case against gay adoption?
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 4:41 PM |
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spongebob777
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It's not something I generally see as ideal but that's purely my opinion. I do agree that it's better than no family at all.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 4:46 PM |
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SunBabe
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It's not a case against "gay adoption", it's a case against GAYS. Period.
Idjits think "gayness" rubs off on kids. I wonder why "hetro-ness" doesn't rub off, then  
And from what I've seen personally, these kids turn out more secure in themselves EVERY which way...no doubt that they are wanted and loved.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 6:37 PM |
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stormbay
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For me its about a balanced upbringing, not ones sexual orientation. I may be wrong, but to me the decline in the social norms and responsibilities of younger people today, is partly caused by unbalanced upbringing of children in single parent homes. I don't believe single people should adopt because of that imbalance and the same goes for same sex couples, they shouldn't adopt because of the imbalance in upbringing single gender rearing brings to children.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 6:45 PM |
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eastham
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I'm not sure I buy the imbalance argument. I can't speak to any studies conducted "down under," but in the States children adopted by gay parents have shown to be particularly well adjusted despite the rhetoric to the contrary.
Funny about single adoptive parents...perhaps because adoptive parents are screened for financial stability, the children from these homes also do very well especially against children from other single parent households.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 7:17 PM |
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MarysPlace
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I may be wrong, but to me the decline in the social norms and responsibilities of younger people today, is partly caused by unbalanced upbringing of children in single parent homes.
I find this highly offensive, misinformed and frankly utterly stupid.
I'm a single mom and personally know many other single moms and dads whose kids turned up just fine. I know my son does EXTREMELY well in school, is very well behaved, polite and respectful of adults and on top of that he's one happy-go-lucky little dude who makes me laugh all day long. Oh and he's one of the most popular kids in school.
So you can take your generalization of single parents = unbalanced upbringing and shove it right next to your hatred of America.
Too bad I can't say what I REALLY wanna say to you.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 8:23 PM |
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acslim
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No i don't think gayness will 'rub off' on gay parents' adoptive children. It may seem like it though to the statisticians because a gay child raised by gay parents would most likely not stay in the closet his/her whole life
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 9:50 PM |
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stormbay
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I find this highly offensive, misinformed and frankly utterly stupid.
I'm sure you would, being "higly offensive misinformed and frankly uterlly stupid".
I'm not sure I buy the imbalance argument. I can't speak to any studies conducted "down under," but in the States children adopted by gay parents have shown to be particularly well adjusted despite the rhetoric to the contrary.
There have been a few different studies made down here, none have reached any firm conclusion and I did say it partly contributed to the problem just as many other aspects of society do as well. I just believe people need a balanced upbringing from both genders. I brought my oldest two kids up myself and they turned out all right, but I do know and they told me, not having their mother around screwed with their minds a bit. Down here we are having a lot of trouble with the young people who are doing some really despicable things to others, at schools and elsewhere. It seems they are out of control in lots of places and have no respect for anyone or anything. As for gays bringing up kids, I know a few and they are fine, but a bit confused, which natural. But I certainly don't believe being in a gay family makes you gay, that's ridiculous, for me its the single gender upbringing that I see as being a bit of a future problem. Not those bringing up kids.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 9:59 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Stormbay, I don't buy your argument either, seeing as there are more people involved in raising a child than just parents.
My father has never been involved in my life but I have had many male influences such as teachers, male relatives, family friends, etc.
My cousin is a single mother and has adopted three little girls. Their adoptive grandfather is very involved in their lives.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 10:02 PM |
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eastham
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I was raised in a single parent home, as my father died quite young (he was 49 and I was the eldest of 4 and all of 15.)
That said, through accident or design we all had surrogates introduced into our lives -- I played sports and nearly all of my coaches were men. My sister's scout leader was a man and she is still close to him nearly 30 years later. My brother was in scouting. Same story for my youngest sister.
My youngest sister is now divorced. Her ex's father was largely absent in his life and it shows. Despite his total lack of maturity, my sister has never stood in the way of Joe's visits with his son. However, this child does not actually treat his daddy like his father. When he is upset or excited about something, he calls my brother, not his father. Although he speaks to his father everyday and will relay the exciting events of his day to Joe, he has never asked my sister to initiate a call with him. All this, and he is only 4.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 10:27 PM |
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stormbay
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Stormbay, I don't buy your argument either, seeing as there are more people involved in raising a child than just parents.
That's very true and we need that form of diversity in our upbringing and it should be encouraged. But I'm talking about how a child feels on a personal level, not the interaction outside their immediate living circumstances and family. I'm sure you don't buy my argument, that's fine by me. I was only pointing out what I see from my experience, and where a problem may lay with gays adopting. All you say I would agree with, but within all we do, see and think we know, there are always things we either miss or deny. After all within nature there are many species that are virtually brought up by either the mother or the father with little input from the other parent.
Maybe in the USA you aren't having the growing problems with your youth we are. But I do note you seem to have quite a number of shootings at your schools. Here they are bashings and a few ethnic kids stabbing each others, so there is little difference, other than the weapons used. But your all welcome to discount anything you don't agree with, time will show the outcome of what we do now. I would rather see a child in a caring home any time, rather than an institution or somewhere they are at risk or very uncomfortable.. My opinion is just another viewpoint.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 10:29 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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But I do note you seem to have quite a number of shootings at your schools
Actually, school shootings are not as big of a problem as they are made out to be, but because they are an amazingly big deal, when they do happen they are covered in great detail by the media so it seems like a much bigger problem than it is.
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| Mar 7, 2007 @ 10:43 PM |
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spongebob777
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because they are an amazingly big deal, when they do happen they are covered in great detail by the media so it seems like a much bigger problem than it is.
Also the fact that we're a nation of 300 million means that the numbers would be higher but in a per capita sense the numbers are probably no greater than they are anywhere else. Probably lower than a lot of places. There's also the proliferation of E media making the news available.
I live in Michigan and see California car chases every day. 
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| Mar 8, 2007 @ 12:19 AM |
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stormbay
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Actually, school shootings are not as big of a problem as they are made out to be, but because they are an amazingly big deal, when they do happen they are covered in great detail by the media so it seems like a much bigger problem than it is.
Correct me if I'm worng, but I see any killing within a schooll as a big problem, no matter what the weapon or reason. Schools should be safe for our children from murder and violence, if they are not classed as a big problem, then we have lost the plot completly. So we need to identify why this is happening. But I doubt gays adopting children adds or takes away from the school violence problem, I think it goes much deeper that that.
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| Mar 8, 2007 @ 12:20 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I didn't say it wasn't a big problem I said it doesn't happen as often as it was portrayed, you attempted to make the point that we have a rather large problem with school shootings.
We don't. We have a few isolated incidents, and yes they need to be dealt with, but the United States is not suffering from a school shooting epidemic.
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| Mar 8, 2007 @ 12:32 AM |
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Novalite
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Anybody think there is anything out of the normal about two guys adopting a girl to raise? How about two ex stippers with a six year old boy? Heck, Seymore Butts and Ron Jeremy adopting a pair of female twins? if you see nothing wrong or strange of the above then you should allow anybody to adopt, like what the hell,the family unit is history to half the western world anyhow.
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| Mar 8, 2007 @ 12:44 AM |
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SunBabe
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Are you inferring that gay people are pedophiles?
That makes about as much sense as saying pet owners are into beastialty.
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| Mar 8, 2007 @ 12:44 AM |
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Always_Striving
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I have never known or met any gay people that have adopted children, but last week I met a lesbian woman that needed electrical work done to her apartment (dishwasher installation). Her landlord hired me. He described her as the feminine partner in a relationship that had just ended. The "male personality" lesbian had broken up with her and left their apartment to be with another woman. Their were pictures of a soccer girl, 13 years old on the wall of the apartment (her natural born child also living there, according to the feminine lesbian). The feminine lesbian seemed nice and level headed, other than the fact that all of the occupants in that apartment were breeding RATS  to sell to pet stores. (I didn't express my disgust, I just kept working). Anyway the feminine lesbian metioned that the other woman's relationship never really panned out and that even though she wanted back into the apartment and their lives, she wasn't going to allow it.
She volunteered that info. even though I didn't ask.
I am just wondering how normal or abnormal that would compare with a typical male-female relationship and a child involved? 
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| Mar 8, 2007 @ 12:52 AM |
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SunBabe
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That sounds PERFECTLY normal. What could be more ordinary? 
Well the RATS are funny, but I've known a number of people who used to breed them for snakes. Hetro, very middle class people, btw. 
Amd ~pssst~ guess what? Not every lesbian couple has that "male/female" "butch/femme" thing goin' on.
What bothers me is that the damn landlord seems to be a friggin' gossiping busybody. 
[Edited on 3/8/2007 1:10 AM]
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| Mar 8, 2007 @ 12:58 AM |
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Novalite
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Are you inferring that gay people are pedophiles?
What? Who said that? I was just wondering if anybody thought there would be anything out of the ordinary about it. Some seem to think that strange couples denote pedophilia or am I wrong? I mean, two guys, gay or not with a boy or a girl are ok but two porn stars with the same are not? Like, stop being so anal and relax, don't judge books by their covers for crying out loud. Anything goes, only closed minded people would find something wrong with two gay guys who make legal porn movies adopting a young boy.
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