| Apr 3, 2007 @ 3:06 PM |
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raykl
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Before the bashing starts, this is not an anti-Republican or pro-Democrat thread.
It is an anti- You'll figure it out.
I am sure by now most have you have heard our leader George III blasting Pelosi
on her trip to Syria with a delegation of U.S. lawmakers, including the first Muslim member of Congress, Keith Ellison, D-Minn., and their meeting with Assad.
What George III stated was that it is counterproductive to his dealings with Syria
and they should not be there.
What George III and some media failed to mention was the visit Sunday and meeting of Republican Reps. Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and Robert Aderholt with Assad in Damascus. No, they were not sent by George III, but went on their own (always remember that our elected officials can visit anywhere in the world since they never have to pay for anything).
I realize that some have a strange belief that all of his words are true. All I ask is that before you jump to conclusions, make sure the facts are true. All politicians on both sides lie or hide truths if it will help them, but I do not think this man even realizes it anymore.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 4:05 PM |
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Martin666
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It's good to see that both the Dems and Republicans in Congress have recognized that bush is incompetent at foreign policy, and that the Congress must move now to take over the foreign policy of the United States.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 4:15 PM |
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DiamondRain
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I don't know the details of this specific issue, and I'm not very interested in it so I won't research whether or not you give an accurate rendition of the facts.
But more importantly, the fact that politicians do the things that they think will make their efforts most effective, has no bearing on whether or not they are on the correct side of the issue.
The crux of the matter is that Democrat ideology is based on moral relativism whereas Republican ideology is based on moral absolutism.
If you believe in moral relativism, than anything that takes a stance one way or another is wrong. The only thing that is right is the concept that anything goes. So naturally, by definition, principled leaders (such as President Bush) are always wrong according to Democrats (even though they twist the meaning of principles to claim this is not true).
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 4:22 PM |
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Martin666
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Hi DR--
Help me out here--what does a distinction between "moral relativism" and "moral absolutism" have to do with the topic? I'm missing the connection...
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:10 PM |
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eastham
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The crux of the matter is that Democrat ideology is based on moral relativism whereas Republican ideology is based on moral absolutism.
Did you actually type this with a straight face?
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:27 PM |
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kjac
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The crux of the matter is that Democrat ideology is based on moral relativism whereas Republican ideology is based on moral absolutism.
I think what he means is one kills babies, the other kills freedom.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:34 PM |
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Martin666
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Hehehe--
Yeah, kjac, but which is which?
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:34 PM |
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eastham
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I still consider most 18 year olds babies. So shall we agree the other side kills freedom and babies, Kj?
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 8:15 PM |
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kjac
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Sorry eastham, no one who signs the dotted line is a baby. It's a choice for a grown man.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 9:13 PM |
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Bobbelieu
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The crux of the matter is that Democrat ideology is based on moral relativism whereas Republican ideology is based on moral absolutism.
God save me from the people who are certain they are right.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 9:19 PM |
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Martin666
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kjac--
We especially are responsible for these young soldiers, regardless of what they sign. No one in that age range understands what they're getting into when they sign up, and the training we expect them to go through--rightly so--makes them so blindly loyal to the stated cause that they'll do just about anything the society asks them to. We have a responsibility to them to make sure that they put their lives on the line for a just cause--because they're willing to die for a good one or a bad one.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 9:36 PM |
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thegoodideaman
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God save me from the people who are certain they are right.
Amen Brotha 
when you think about all the people throughout history
who where absolutely certain they were right...
the only down side to being absolutely certain about everything...
there's no room to change your mind when presented with the facts...
witch could lead to being absolutely wrong...
I wish I could think of a good example...
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 9:40 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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I wish I could think of a good example...
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 9:47 PM |
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eastham
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Hmmmm....Hitler was thoroughly convinced the Jews were subhuman and not worthy of life. I think that's a good example. Even when Mengele's horrific experiments surely proved otherwise (despite Mengele's best efforts), he kept to his core beliefs.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 9:54 PM |
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Martin666
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Hmmm...maybe someone should buy george a Walther?
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 9:55 PM |
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eastham
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I'm sure the NRA already has.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 10:29 PM |
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sealacamp
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I realize that some have a strange belief that all of his words are true.
Who thinks that?
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 10:32 PM |
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thegoodideaman
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I think it's in the Bible
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 10:57 PM |
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MusicMonster
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It''s a shame it had to be this way. That Congress felt the need to do this without the blessing of the White House. Or to take that further, in 'opposition' to the White House. Had it been with the White House blessing this country would have looked a great deal better and much more unified, abroad.
But simple fact is, right now we are NOT unified. It's exposing dirty laundry that couldn't really be avoided unless everybody is willing to cow-tow to the absolute will of this president, no matter what he does. Less and less people are now willing to do that, and ultimately that's a good thing.
Unfortunately it was necessary, and not only may help us in foreign relations, but it was also a productive step in the direction of helping Georgie realize that he isn't King of the World.
-MM 
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| Apr 10, 2007 @ 11:20 PM |
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LegalWizard
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Foreign policy is the province of the Executive Branch of government.
Individuals commit a federal felony when they personally attempt to conduct foreign relations, pursuant to the criminal provisions of the United States Code.
The constitutional shield for members of Congress to not be questioned for their speech in any other place only shields them while in debate on the floor of the House or Senate, Thus a member of Congress who speaks to foreign leaders usurps the powers and duties of the Executive Branch and could possibly be indicted for the federal felony of attempting to conduct foreign policy as an individual.
If not understood, please seek competent legal assistance.
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