| Apr 3, 2007 @ 3:37 PM |
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ravensday
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This is from England:
Teachers are dropping controversial subjects such as the Holocaust and the Crusades from history lessons because they do not want to cause offence to children from certain races or religions, a report claims.
A lack of factual knowledge among some teachers, particularly in primary schools, is also leading to “shallow” lessons on emotive and difficult subjects, according to the study by the Historical Association.
The report, produced with funding from the Department for Education, said that where teachers and staff avoided emotive and controversial history, their motives were generally well intentioned.
“Staff may wish to avoid causing offence or appearing insensitive to individuals or groups in their classes. In particular settings, teachers of history are unwilling to challenge highly contentious or charged versions of history in which pupils are steeped at home, in their community or in a place of worship,” it concluded.
However, it was concerned that this could lead to divisions within school, and that it might also put pupils off history.
So now we can santize history because I might be offensive to some people! How stupid. With our increasing polictal correctness world here in the US we might see this take place here too!
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 4:43 PM |
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DiamondRain
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It's all about making kids feel good at the expense of excellence. Every kid gets a trophy regardless of performance. There are no consequences for failure and no rewards for excellence. This relentless assault on truth and excellence in the schools (and ultimately in society at large) has been going on in the USA, at the behest of Democrat/Liberals, for decades.
Yesterday I heard a report about a study in which Korean kids had excellent math skills, but a high percentage of them had little confidence in those skills, while American kids had relatively poor math skills but lots of confidence in them.
The Korean kids, thinking that they need to work harder, strive to better those skills and compete to be the best. The American kids, have lots of ego, but little drive to excel since they think they are already there.
This kind of thinking is a cancer that is permeating our society courtesy of decades of liberal Democrat politics. It's "feel good" failure.
We have raised a society of kids with lots of self esteem and no skills. It fits hand-in-hand with the socialist philosophy: "Competition is bad."
This will destroy the country if we don't do something about it. Competition (and the Capitalist system that it underlies) is the driving force that made this country great. It is the force that creates prosperity for ALL from the bottom to the top. It is the reason we have no poverty in this country and the reason we are the breadbasket for the world. Take it away, make our kids lethargic and uncompetitive, make them stop striving for excellence, and we will become just another victim of a failed socialist onslaught.
Fight against the relentless onslaught of Socialist/Democrat ideology!
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 5:04 PM |
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spongebob777
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Welcome to the T ball nation.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 5:11 PM |
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MarysPlace
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Thank God my son is leaving the fkn liberal brainwashing school he now attends. I am HOPING that the middle school is gonna be better...
Here, he's a good student. I think. But I don't really know, cuz the grades are FREAKIN' DESCRIPTIVE! "Meets grade level" "Exceeds grade level" and other bullshit. The only way I know he's good is cuz of the city wide test that all kids have to take and where you get actual points, so he was excellent at that.
Other than that, since second grade, I had NO idea what his grades were. I think grades could offend students. I remember when teachers were instructed to stop using red pens cuz "they are too hard on kids". Red pens...
That's how you get generation upon generation of crippled people who think that therapy is a way of life, NOT that one needs to actually get off their ass to achieve something.
Yeah, really, remind me again why I think that liberals are mentally challenged?
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 5:19 PM |
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12knots
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You need to check your facts people.
Do you know what an English Primary School is exactly? Age group?
At that age there are far more important things to have such young children do.
When they get to Junior school (The English Junior School), history maybe incorporated into teaching.
When they get to senior school history is then of relevance and importance.
Let me also remind my learned friends here that the British Education system is far more advanced than the American system.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 5:39 PM |
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eastham
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For the most part in the US and many European countries, elementary school students do not receive letter or numerical grades until they are at least in 4th grade, some before some after. This is not a new phenomena. Back when I was in parochial school, we did not get report cards until 4th grade and for my sister's kids the same story. There was a report just this week in Sweden about the same subject. Their children don't receive numerical grades until the 4th grade.
From my conversations with family and friends with same children, the phrase "meets or exceeds grade level" is quite common to hear and is part of an overall dialogue between teacher and parent on the kid's progress. If I didn't know exactly what that phrase meant for my child, I would be at the school in a heartbeat.
The biggest problem we have in elementary schools is teaching to tests. Teaching critical thinking skills, etc take a backseat to the all important standardized test. And you can't blame just the teachers. They are forced to teach to the test or run the risk their school will lose funding or their children will be held back.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 5:42 PM |
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atropos9119
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The entire problem with our education system is nicely summed up ina book by William Killpatrick called "Why Johnny Can't Tell Right From Wrong"
I highly recommend it to anyone with a kid in the system, or anyone concerned with the lack of quality in education.
12 knots, at the top end, the US educational system is second to none. Why do you think all our best schools are loaded with foreign students?
In any case, all modern educational systems are based on the Prussian model as set forth by Bismarck back in the 1880's, and mainly are designed to produce a workforce good enough for a modern industrial society. That includes the wonderful British system.
Further, however, European systems are "tiered" so that students are placed in either an academic track or a vocational track rather early. Here in the US we have a more egalitarian view and let the students pretty much "track" themselves.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 5:49 PM |
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atropos9119
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To address the OP:
The main problem with the system as it stands is exactly what you are stating. The point is to offend no one, to make everyone "feel good", and it's crap.
Once the kids get out of school life sorts them out damned fast, but I am sure it is hard on their delicate egos.
As far as the Crusades and Holocaust, they are pretty well established history. The problem lies in (in the case of the Crusades) deliberately misapprehending the motives for them, and in the case of the Holocaust, to assuage some political groups who seem to think that denial is the essence of truth.
Why have our schools come to this? It seems to me that there has been way too much Marxist theory inculcated into educators, so that they play fast and loose with historical verities to achieve desired results. This cannot be a good thing, IMHO.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 5:59 PM |
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12knots
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12 knots, at the top end, the US educational system is second to none. Why do you think all our best schools are loaded with foreign students?
They are loaded with foreign students because it is the cheapest and easiest place to get a Micky Mouse education.
The more prestiges Institutions dont want them.
You also mentioned the industrial revolution? May I remind you where it originates.
You may also reflect that no where on this Earth has thee been a University producing the finest education of royalty around the world, presidents, prime ministers and minds that as influenced mans destiny than the University of Oxford.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:06 PM |
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uab_5
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You may also reflect that no where on this Earth has thee been a University producing the finest education of royalty around the world, presidents, prime ministers and minds that as influenced mans destiny than the University of Oxford.
Bullsh*t! 
Cambridge is better...and my brother, and American educated American, teaches there. 
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:17 PM |
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12knots
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Obviously, you dont have a clue!
Go learn....
Cambridge is famed for the Sciences. Oxford for the Arts and "Oxbridge" are famed throughout the world.
In this case Oxford has the reputation I stated.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:22 PM |
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eastham
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Me thinks a regatta between UAB and 12Knots may be in order.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:23 PM |
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12knots
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There are many famous Oxonians, as alumni of the University are known.
Oxford has had a role in educating four British, and at least eight foreign kings, 47 Nobel prize-winners, three Fields medallists, 25 British Prime Ministers, 28 foreign presidents and prime ministers, seven saints, 86 archbishops, 18 cardinals, and one pope. Seven of the last eleven British Prime Ministers have been Oxford graduates. Amongst the University's old members are many widely influential scientists, artists and other prominent figures. Contemporary scientists include Stephen Hawking, Richard Dawkins and Nobel prize-winner Anthony James Leggett, and Tim Berners Lee, co-inventor of the world wide web. Actors Hugh Grant, Kate Beckinsale, Dudley Moore, Michael Palin, Terry Jones and Richard Burton studied at the University, as did film-maker Ken Loach. T. E. Lawrence was both a student and a don at Oxford, while other illustrious members have ranged from the explorer, courtier, and man of letters Sir Walter Raleigh to the media magnate Rupert Murdoch. The founder of Methodism, John Wesley, studied at Christ Church and was elected a fellow of Lincoln College. The Burmese Democracy Activist and Nobel Laureate Aung San Suu Kyi was a student of St Hugh's College, Oxford.
Amongst the long list of writers associated with Oxford are Evelyn Waugh, Lewis Carroll, Aldous Huxley, Oscar Wilde, C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, Phillip Pullman, Vikram Seth and Plum Sykes, the poets Percy Bysshe Shelley, John Donne, A. E. Housman, W. H. Auden, and Philip Larkin, and Poets Laureate Thomas Warton, Henry James Pye, Robert Southey, Robert Bridges, Cecil Day-Lewis, Sir John Betjeman, and Andrew Motion.
More complete information on famous senior and junior members of the University can be found in the individual college articles (an individual may be associated with two or more colleges, as an undergraduate, postgraduate, and/or member of staff).
Eastham... Regatta.... hell no.... I can only row 12 knots.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:26 PM |
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uab_5
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Obviously, you dont have a clue!
Go learn....
A Brit teaching me?
So Oxford is a liberal arts school. Liberal arts colleges award MRS degrees.
Sir Isaac Newton did his research into Calculus, a real subject, in the building my brother lives.
Grow up or get lost, Brit.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:29 PM |
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uab_5
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Eastham,
12knot wouldn't stand a chance in a regatta. I sailed at Puddle Pirate U. on the banks of the Thames in New London.
I worked the bow and pit and could set the 'chute with the best of them.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:31 PM |
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ravensday
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Well I always knew that the University of Mississippi (Oxford) was a damn good school! Thanks 12 Knots for pointing it out!
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:34 PM |
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ravensday
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Seriously,
However. This does bother me. My kids are both out of school now, but I have a granddaughter that will eventualy go to school. Home schooling seems a better choice now then ever. If this sort of action is allowed what next? Do we forget "the trail of tears", slavery, The American Revolution or the French Revolution? All of those times in history could be said to offend someone.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:35 PM |
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atropos9119
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California Institute of Technology list of Nobel winners
ROBERT ANDREWS MILLIKAN
THOMAS HUNT MORGAN
CARL DAVID ANDERSON
EDWIN MATTISON MCMILLAN
LINUS CARL PAULING
WILLIAM BRADFORD SHOCKLEY
GEORGE WELLS BEADLE
DONALD ARTHUR GLASER
RUDOLF LUDWIG MÖSSBAUER
CHARLES HARD TOWNES
RICHARD PHILLIPS FEYNMAN
MURRAY GELL-MANN
MAX DELBRÜCK
LEO JAMES RAINWATER
Now that's just one little school. MIT has 63 Nobel winners. 26 are alumni.
Want to go through the big private Ivy universities, then on to the state universities?
I might also add, since my son was employed at CalTech for several years as a systems analyst, from my own personal observation, the campus is over run with Orientals with "limited English skills" meaning FOB Chinese from the People's Republic. Why would they care about a "Mickey Mouse" degree?
As I said, at the top end our system is second to none. Degrees from places like MIT and CalTech are far from "Mickey Mouse" > Many of the Ivies have international respect as well... Princeton and Harvard for example.
I won't even go into the string of famous alumni from places like these. I will say though that progress in the 20th century would have been much less without them.
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:36 PM |
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12knots
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UAB,
Just goes to show the level of ignorance. No one in their right minds challenges an opponent they dont have a clue about.
I bet your brother does not. Do you know where Sir Issac newton actually wrote the "Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica"?
I suggest you check before commenting. No one lives within the building and havent for a very.... very.... long time...... give you a clue Yank.... "National Heritage........"
Madam, you talk gibberish! I would meet you on the "Isis" any day of the week!
Ravensday,
you are welcome.... 
Atropos,
Feynman I will give you but the others....? Nobel committee scrapping the barrel a bit there dont you think?
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| Apr 3, 2007 @ 6:42 PM |
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irish20835
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ya know there was no name calling or harrassment until 8/12 knots opened his mouth ...has he ever said anything kind to any one??
btw uab is 100% right on ...
cheap mickey mouse education ...my daughter is intrested in Duke ...need i say more when i saw the price my mouth dropped
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