| Apr 11, 2007 @ 6:59 PM |
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twotall911
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well now they are keeping the troops beyond their enlistment dates by up to three plus months now they dont need the draft 
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| Apr 11, 2007 @ 7:05 PM |
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eastham
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A friend of mine who put in over 30 years in the Navy was called back last year.
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| Apr 11, 2007 @ 7:13 PM |
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12knots
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Country is at war, wadda u expect?
Teach the powers to be to jump into wars they cant win.
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| Apr 11, 2007 @ 8:26 PM |
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kjac
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Teach the powers to be to jump into wars they cant win.
No it won't, because they have no regard for the men fighting and dying, so it won't teach them anything.
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| Apr 11, 2007 @ 8:37 PM |
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12knots
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True.
Just users of other peoples lives.
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| Apr 11, 2007 @ 11:10 PM |
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MusicMonster
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No it won't, because they have no regard for the men fighting and dying, so it won't teach them anything.
How very unfortunate, yet how very true..
If Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney enlisted their own daughters into the wartime effort, and sent them to Iraq, that would lend a great deal to their seriously faltering credibility.
-MM 
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| Apr 12, 2007 @ 12:06 AM |
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steveemac
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If Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney enlisted their own daughters
Lynn Cheney already violated "don't ask/don't tell," so she'd be out...
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| Apr 12, 2007 @ 11:35 AM |
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Always_Striving
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Make those disgusting offspring prison guards at one of the iraqi internment prisons. LOL 
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 12:22 AM |
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Say_Yes
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No it won't, because they have no regard for the men fighting and dying, so it won't teach them anything.
How very unfortunate, yet how very true..
If Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney enlisted their own daughters into the wartime effort, and sent them to Iraq, that would lend a great deal to their seriously faltering credibility.
-MM
After all FDR sent his kids off to fight in WWII, Truman sent his to Korea, JFK & LBJ sent their kids to Viet Nam and Clinton/Gore sent their children to Somalia, Haitti, & the Chech Republic. Oh wait, that's right they didn't, they sent other people's kids.
Bush & Cheney are many things, but I do not believe for a minute that they have no regard for the lives of our service men & women. Do I think that they screwed up by the numbers in Iraq? Yes, I do.
Americans do not truly understand the middle east. We continue to think that given a set of choices that they will act in the same manner that we would. Bush was convinced that we would be welcomed into Iraq as Degaul was welcomed into Paris in 1944. Sometimes, I think he is still waiting for that to happen.
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 1:16 AM |
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atropos9119
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OH well, most of the children in question appear to have been daughters, not sons. Many were not of military age during the conflicts mentioned.
[Edited on 4/13/2007 1:25 AM]
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 1:27 AM |
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ravensday
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Most Enlistments do not end on a specifed date. Example: Solider A joins the Army for 4 years, he does his 4 years and then gets out, however, he is still considered inactive for another 4 years and can be called back to Active Duty. Its in the paperwork you sign when you join. Solider B joins for 4 years and then re-enlists for another 4 years. He has fullfilled his enlistment, and therefore when he gets out he can not be called back to active duty unless he agrees. 8 years is the minimum enlistment time for the Army, 4 active and 4 inactive. Period.
There is a thing called Stop Movement. This allows the military to keep its level of servicemembers at a certain number. No soldier can ETS (get out) or PCS (move on orders) until the Stop Movement is lifted. Its legal. Without it our military would deplete itself within months. Sometimes its not fair, but life is not fair and war is far from fair, but, these soldiers know ahead of time that this can and does happen often. It happend to me and my husband. He was in Iraq after the 2nd war and we were suppose to PCS to Germany, they deleted his orders to Germany and sent the Unit to Falujha instead. It does suck but its why they get those nice paychecks and the benefits each month.
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 1:41 AM |
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atropos9119
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Thank you Raven. I knew there wereways the government could recall folks, just did not know the mechanism.
In other words, you are not really "out" when you get out.
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 1:50 AM |
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Say_Yes
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Thank you Raven. I knew there wereways the government could recall folks, just did not know the mechanism.
In other words, you are not really "out" when you get out.
Yep, a good friend of mine got recalled to the navy for the first Iraq war to serve as a dental tech on a carrier, after being out of service for more than five years. If they want you, they will come and get you.
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 1:52 AM |
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kjac
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In other words, you are not really "out" when you get out.
Actually, I got out in April of 2001, and my 8 years was up. The extent of them trying to get me back in was nothing more than a letter every month for about a year trying to re-recruit me. Entirely voluntary, like raven said. But on the other side, I have a friend who is now in well past his 8 years because he is not allowed to ETS. Is it right, no, but it is legal.
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 1:56 AM |
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atropos9119
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By the way, Say... James Roosevelt served in the US Marine Corps in the Pacific during WW2, and saw combat. So FDR at least had a dog in that hunt.
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 1:58 AM |
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atropos9119
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I dunno, I served my 4 years, gave them my home address, and that was pretty much it.
Of course we had a draft in those days, and my becoming IV-G not long after I separated may have had something to do with them not bothering me.
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 11:29 AM |
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ravensday
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The other term is called Stop Loss. Both are used to keep the military at a level that is needed to perform its duties.
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 11:29 AM |
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ravensday
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Yer welcome.
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 6:46 PM |
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grumblebear
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when I got out of the Navy in 1981, and tried top register for school, I was required to sign up for the draft.... I thought that a bit Ironic... lol I was on inactive reserve, and still had to register for a Draft?
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| Apr 13, 2007 @ 7:08 PM |
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eastham
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After all FDR sent his kids off to fight in WWII, Truman sent his to Korea, JFK & LBJ sent their kids to Viet Nam and Clinton/Gore sent their children to Somalia, Haitti, & the Chech Republic. Oh wait, that's right they didn't, they sent other people's kids.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!
Let's start with FDR:
James Roosevelt: oldest son of FDR was a Marine and second in command of the 2nd Raider Battalion of the Marine Raiders. Won the Navy Cross and Silver Star. Rose to the rank of Brigadier General.
Elliott Roosevelt: bomberdier in USArmy Air Force. Also rose in rank to B. General. Ran recon runs in preparation for D-Day.
FDR, Jr.: Navy officer, decorated for bravery.
John Aspinwall: in the Navy. Won Bronze Star for logistics for his carrier group.
Truman: only child, daughter. Truman served in WWI.
JFK: his children were 6 and 3 respectively when he died. JFK, his brothers Robert and Joseph and sister Kit all served in WWII.
Johnson: two children, both daughters. Johnson was in the Navy in WWII, but saw little combat, although his short combat experience did win him a medal.
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