| Apr 17, 2007 @ 9:15 AM |
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Martin666
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Yes. Laws related to handgun ownership should be significantly tightened.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 9:17 AM |
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spongebob777
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A gun ban was in effect on that campus. Worked wonders didn't it?
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 9:18 AM |
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Martin666
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If a young man who wasn't an american citizen but was here on a student visa was able to get ahold of two handguns despite laws that were supposed to prevent him from doing so, I would say that the laws were too lax, yes?
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 9:21 AM |
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graywolf
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No Martin it does not mean that existing laws were to lax it only goes to show that criminals will have guns even if they are outlawed for tnormal citizen.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 9:25 AM |
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ToucherinSparks
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No, it's not a problem with the laws. You can make anything illegal, and if some one wants it bad enough, and is willing to pay for it, they'll get it. Handguns are illegal in New York City, but how many murders are done there every year with handguns?
Suppose everyone of those college kids and professors had been armed, how many people would that nut have killed? 1, maybe 2, before someone took him out.
You know it was something very similar to this (the Luby's murders) that was responsible for changing the conceled carry laws in TX. Since the TX legislature made it easy to get a permit, and allow for carry in public places, there hasn't been another mass shooting anywhere in TX. Maybe VA should follow TX lead?
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 9:37 AM |
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Martin666
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Gray--
Maybe the existing laws were sufficient--federal law governs handgun sales to a large extent. But apparently those laws were insufficiently observed and enforced, otherwise this non-citizen wouldn't have had two handguns in his possession. A plain reading of the situation supports this view.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 9:40 AM |
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graywolf
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Martin, I have read the reports and it seems that both of these guns had the serial numbers filed off which points more to the fact that the guns were illegally obtained. The existing laws can only be enforced if the person it caught with an illegal weapon. They also need to punish those caught to the full extent of the law and not just give them a slap on the wrist.
We have lots of gun laws but our court system sometime, more often than not, seems to treat them lightly and give out very light punishment rather than giving the full punishment allowed.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 9:48 AM |
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Martin666
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Hi Gray--
You wrote:
"We have lots of gun laws but our court system sometime, more often than not, seems to treat them lightly and give out very light punishment rather than giving the full punishment allowed"
I agree completely. This is one of the ways that the laws should be tightened, and penalties drastically increased. For example, the possessor of an "illegal" handgun should be heavily fined and imprisoned, mandatory "x" number of years. And that includes not just poor black kids in the ghetto, but middle class white men with an old pistol in their nightstand.
If you own an unregistered weapon, you go to prison...mandatory.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:06 AM |
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graywolf
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Martin, I agreew ith what you said about the strict enforcement of penalties but unfortunately the judical system, read that courts and judges, do not seem to agree. I do not want to see the US become a police state and IMO we as Americans have already lost enough of our personal freedoms to the government.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:11 AM |
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lj450
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If they ban guns, there will be more killings with bombs, knives, poisons, etc, etc.
They better be able to gather up all the ammunition if they ever ban guns. You can make a "gun" out of a piece of steel pipe.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:15 AM |
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Martin666
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Hi lj--
I don't think anyone is talking about banning guns. I'm certainly not.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:17 AM |
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graywolf
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lj, don't think anyone was talking about banning handguns but Martin and I were discussing that the existing laws should be more strictly enforced and maximum punishment handed out to those convicted.
Martin, I did not meant to put any words in your mouth but think what I have written is correct about our discussion.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:21 AM |
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lj450
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lj, don't think anyone was talking about banning handguns but Martin and I were discussing that the existing laws should be more strictly enforced
Cant you see what is happening to our freedom of speech, as we speak???
What do you honestly think will happen to our "right to bear arms" when the dems get the pruning shears out, in an attempt to create a peaceful utopia? It all starts with "lets just fine tune the laws a little".
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:23 AM |
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definitelydi
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That's just Lj being his gun-totin' self. Be friendly with him so when he finally breaks down, he won't shoot you.
Right on that people will get guns no matter the law. If they want them, they can be found. I think the massacre brings up issues of campus security more than gun laws. Is it even feasible to install metal detectors in every entry in a 2600 acre campus? Probably not, just as providing guards at all of those entrances is unlikely as well.
I can't say I've ever considered a similar incident occuring at the college I attend. This event does make one think. 
[Edited on 4/17/2007 10:24 AM]
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:23 AM |
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graywolf
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lj, I think you need to go back and read what I wrote as it sounds like you either did not read it all or did not comprehend it. Not sure which.
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:25 AM |
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lj450
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I comprehend well, you old fart.
......wheres my gun?
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:27 AM |
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graywolf
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go ahead I already know where mine is. Then perhaps you just don't bothe to read everything that is written.
[Edited on 4/17/2007 10:28 AM]
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:27 AM |
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Martin666
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lj--
So are you against enforcing the existing laws? And if you are, would you agree that when the enforcement of those laws breaks down--for whatever reason--that we should stop and look at that breakdown and figure out how to keep it from happening again?
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:30 AM |
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lj450
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Well, we cant blame this one on the assault rifle ban (which was lifted) can we?
From what Ive heard, these were just plain old handguns.
What do you propose?
You cant legislate sanity. Thats the bottom line.
If it is determined that he flipped out over something like a girlfriend.......should we ban people from dating? (for example)
The gun was his tool........not the root cause of his behavior. Is anyone interested in WHY?
[Edited on 4/17/2007 10:32 AM]
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| Apr 17, 2007 @ 10:30 AM |
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Martin666
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...as a side issue, I'm taking bets as to how long this thread can go before the mods shut it down, like the last one.
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