| Apr 29, 2007 @ 7:38 PM |
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DiamondRain
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It doesn't matter if President Bush vetoes the funding bill, the damage by the Democrats has already been done.
The enemy doesn't understand democracy, the two party system, checks and balances, the veto power of the President, that there aren't enough votes to override. What they see is that the United States is cracking; that we are giving up, retreating, accepting defeat. To them we are fizzing away like an Alka - Seltzer tablet under Niagara Falls.
And that is enough to embolden them and instigate renewed life to their barbaric effort. The Democrats are getting our soldiers killed right now and will ultimately bring terrorism back AGAIN to our own soil (and blame it on President Bush). If that day comes, we will remember who is really responsible.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 7:41 PM |
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FeliciVagano
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do you really buy into this crap??? 
edited...but I will give you this....
We Are Not Pro War, We Are Pro Defense of the United States 
[Edited on 4/29/2007 7:49 PM]
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 7:47 PM |
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kjac
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So if 12 Saudis who trained in Iran attack America again who will we try to blame next? I hear Venezuela has some oil. Maybe we could blame them.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 7:59 PM |
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spongebob777
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The Democrats are getting our soldiers killed right now and will ultimately bring terrorism back AGAIN to our own soil (and blame it on President Bush). If that day comes, we will remember who is really responsible.
What I tell people is that the democrats don't want to lose, they want to cause Bush to lose. It all for the same reason they voted for the war in the first place. They wanted a pile of bodies to use as campaign props.
What they're doing now is mentioning impeachment to hold on to the geniuses who believe them. They know they don't have the votes for it but it makes a nice distraction from the fact that they've done absolutely nothing with their slim majority.
It's all political theatre
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:03 PM |
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kjac
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I posted a blog on what the republicans would have to do to get my vote, but it really applies to both parties. Everyone needs to face the harsh reality that this war is real, and it's not ending within the next two years.
But please, don't insult anyone's intelligence saying that it is a fight against terrorism, when Iran and Saudi Arabia were given free passes for their part in 9/11.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:12 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Did you ever feel like a one-eyed man in the land of the blind?
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:14 PM |
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DiamondRain
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While we are talking about things we said in a blog, I'll bring one of mine to the larger audience here...
Say what you will about President Bush, a man who is imperfect and makes mistakes like every other human being.
However, history will show that he is one of the few people in politics that "gets it," when it comes to the overall strategy that he pioneered to deal with radical Islamic terrorism.
He understands (and has understood since the beginning) that you cannot win a war against this scourge with purely defensive measures. You must go on the offense and take the battle to the the Islamic countries from which it originates. This is the ONLY viable strategy that has any chance of success.
So his critics will continue to attack him, and undermine the effort instead of constructively supporting it, while offering no plausible alternative, and thereby bring the United States, and all of civilization one step closer to destruction.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:22 PM |
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kjac
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However, history will show that he is one of the few people in politics that "gets it," when it comes to the overall strategy that he pioneered to deal with radical Islamic terrorism.
Apparently he doesn't get it too much. Either that, or he's really bad at geography. He missed Saudi Arabia AND Iran to take out a country that had ZERO ties to 9/11.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:31 PM |
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DiamondRain
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We are fighting AL QAEDA in IRAQ as we speak. It is AL QAEDA that is responsible for 9/11. AL QAEDA is in IRAQ RIGHT NOW. So where do you suggest we go to fight them? Please say something useful that demonstrates that you are not on the side of the Islamic terrorists. It's impossible to distinguish your comments from theirs.
Your platitudes and insinuations are not useful or constructive to the effort against radical Islamic terrorism. They serve to reveal your hatred of President Bush but do nothing at all to advance the defense of civilization.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:33 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Except that al Qaeda was NOT in Iraq prior to our toppling Saddam.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:36 PM |
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DiamondRain
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So what? They are there now. So why do the Democrats want to surrender and retreat?
This is terrific. We have done a rope a dope on Al Qaeda and got them out from under their rock. Now we know where they are. How much more perfect could it be?
The Democrats said we can't win because we don't know where the enemy is.
Well now we DO KNOW. And now the Democrats want the US to give up and retreat.
That PROVES that the Democrats are more interested in grabbing political power then they are in the welfare and security of the United States.
[Edited on 4/29/2007 8:39 PM]
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:38 PM |
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spongebob777
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We are fighting AL QAEDA in IRAQ as we speak. It is AL QAEDA that is responsible for 9/11. AL QAEDA is in IRAQ RIGHT NOW.
True enough. Just the other day we killed or captured a high ranking AQ figure who was a general in Saddam's military .
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:41 PM |
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kjac
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I haven't heard anyone explain how Saudi and Iran are getting their free passes in this supposed war on terrorism.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:42 PM |
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Loreli
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So what? They are there now. So why do the Democrats want to surrender and retreat?
Go to a "town hall " meeting, or write your representatives and ask them why.
The best thing any citizen can do when they disagree, is GET ACTIVE.
Nice to see you back, DR.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:43 PM |
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DiamondRain
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kjac...Who gives a crap, this thread is about the war in Iraq in which the United States is fighting Islamic terrorism and AL Qaeda.
Nice to see you too Loreli 
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:48 PM |
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kjac
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the United States is fighting Islamic terrorism and AL Qaeda.
Which is exactly my point. Most of the Al Queda terrorists who attacked our country were from Saudi Arabia. But instead of attacking them, we invade Iraq. Which causes Al Queda to bring the fight to us again, only in Iraq. By fighting them there, we aren't bringing the fight to them. We'd have to go to Saudi and Iran for that.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:50 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Except that they're not only in Iraq, that's just one new hideyhole for them. Osama's probably still in Pakistan, the Taliban are taking back control in Afghanistan, which means more areas where they'll be protected.
I really can't even picture a way to fight a war on a stateless group militarily. The first step, going into Afghanistan and getting the Taliban out of power, took away part of 'the base's' base, but that's actually now being re-established. Even attacking Saudi Arabia, as kjac suggested, really would only beneft bin Laden - the royal family's on his target list too. After all, they're the ones who let us filthy heathens on to his sacred islamic soil.
I still think our best tactic is an economic one - get off oil and let them kill each other off.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:52 PM |
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spongebob777
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Lots of good info here Diamond.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 8:57 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Some people recognize that in order to win this war we have to move FORWARD. Others are only interested in rehashing the past, finding reasons to drag America through the mud and expressing their visceral hatred of one man, George Bush.
We are fighting the people who are at the forefront of radical Islamic terrorism right now in the place where they are: Iraq. This is a war. There is no way to win this war without defeating the enemy. So we are in the right place at the right time. Period.
These people are the enemy and this place is where they are. That is what matters right now. Diluting the resources that should be dedicated to the battle does nothing but serve the enemy's interests. By rehashing these criticisms over and over again, you, and those like you are doing nothing but aiding the terrorists, causing the death of our soldiers, prolonging the war and ultimately leading to the loss of far more innocent lives.
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| Apr 29, 2007 @ 9:01 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Thanks spongebob ... I'll check that out.
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