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sealacamp
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By BETH WARREN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 05/02/07
This Buckhead newborn didn't stand a chance.
By the time he saw a doctor, the 6-week-old, born at home, was dead. Fed a diet consisting largely of soy milk and apple juice by his vegan parents, the baby boy weighed just 3 1/2 pounds.
Fulton prosecutors say it's a chilling case of murder by starvation, a painful and prolonged death. Attorneys representing parents Jade Sanders, 27, and Lamont Thomas, 31, told jurors the first-time parents did the best they could while adhering to their vegan lifestyle. Vegans typically live free of animal products.
"They're not vegans, they're baby killers," Fulton prosecutor Mike Carlson told the jury Tuesday during his closing arguments. "Think about how long they had to listen to his screams and hollers."
Thomas hung his head and appeared to nearly collapse on the defense table during closing arguments, while Sanders sat next to him listening intently. The couple's attorneys claim the parents didn't realize their baby, named Crown, was in danger until minutes before he died.
Jurors began deliberations Tuesday. Prosecutors urged jurors to convict the parents of murder, which carries an automatic life sentence in prison. Defense lawyers told jurors the death is at most a case of involuntary manslaughter, reckless conduct that results in an unintentional death, punishable by up to one year in jail.
If adults want to be vegans that is fine but all people should realize that the nutritional needs of infants of any type, human or animal are very different than adults. Apparently these people didn't have a clue, didn't ask, and didn't seek out any answers. Living a natural lifestyle should not include being naturally ignorant to the point of a living person dying from it.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 5:53 PM |
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eastham
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I'm an omnivore. That said, I do know there are specific vegan diets for children and infants. Also, where was this child's pediatrician?
Went back and double-checked. The American Academy of Pediatrics does have materials for both physicians and vegan parents.
And my last questions: why wasn't this child being breast fed? Aren't most infant forumlas soy-based these days, because most infants are intolerant of animal-based proteins, save those they would get from human breast milk.
[Edited on 5/2/2007 5:59 PM]
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| May 2, 2007 @ 6:04 PM |
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FeliciVagano
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update.....
Long url6-week-old died of starvation after being fed diet of soy milk, apple juice By BETH WARREN The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 05/02/07 The parents of a baby that died of starvation after being fed a vegan diet have been found guilty of malice murder, felony murder and first degree cruelty to children. Jade Sanders, 27, and Lamont Thomas, 31, will get an automatic life sentence for the death of their 6-week-old infant, Crown. After being fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice, he weighed only 3 1/2 pounds when he died. The Fulton County jury deliberated the case for about seven hours.
sad story.... 
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| May 2, 2007 @ 6:29 PM |
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kjac
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Meat tastes like murder, and murder tastes pretty god-damned good. ~Denis Leary
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| May 2, 2007 @ 6:33 PM |
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MarysPlace
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Well, I sure hope they got at least life without parole so they can't produce and kill more children.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 6:44 PM |
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Gone_Feral
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And my last questions: why wasn't this child being breast fed?
That was the first thought that popped into my head when I read this. Makes me thing there's more to it than just being vegans.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 6:48 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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And my last questions: why wasn't this child being breast fed?
Maybe the vegan mom wasn't producing enough milk? 
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| May 2, 2007 @ 6:50 PM |
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eastham
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Yeah, but most infant formulas are soy based. I went back and looked on the AAP website, chock full of resources. Something doesn't smell right with this.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 7:32 PM |
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ToucherinSparks
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Well, it says the child was only being fed soy milk and apple juice. Not formula, which has a lot more than just soy milk in it. As for breast feeding, some vegans consider breast milk to be animal protein and won't breast feed.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 7:35 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Something doesn't smell right with this.
The baby was born at home, weighed 3.5 lbs at death, and apparently had never been seen by a doctor of any kind. And the parents had no clue there was a problem until minutes before he died...either they were among the stupidest, most arrogant people ever to draw breath, or they were doing it deliberately. In either case, I'm with Mary - it's a life sentence alight, but also hopefully with no parole, preferably at hard labor. Maybe building shelters for abused kids.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 7:35 PM |
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eastham
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I'm not sure that's true. I did see a reference to it on Yahoo answers, but I found this on a vegan nutrition webpage.
Breast milk is the only food your baby needs for the first 4 to 6 months of life. Continue to breastfeed your baby for a minimum of one year, and preferably for a full two years or more. Breast milk is specifically designed to meet the needs of the human infant, just as the milk of other mammals is specifically designed to meet the needs of their young. Breastmilk also provides immune protection, reduces risk of allergies, decreases the incidence of respira-tory, gastrointestinal, and other illnesses, helps to create a wonderful bond between you and your infant, and is extraordinarily convenient and economical. The benefits continue for as long as you breastfeed
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| May 2, 2007 @ 7:41 PM |
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sealacamp
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Maybe building shelters for abused kids.
I'll second that.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 7:46 PM |
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Gentlegiant127
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I read that the problem with soy is it increases estrogen levels(among other things), not something you want to do to anyone except maybe an adult female who's estrogen is below average, and even then that would be questionable.
http://www.mercola.com/2005/aug/30/soy_ruled_no_health_food.htm
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| May 2, 2007 @ 8:55 PM |
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eastham
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Soy is recommended for babies GG as many babies are highly allergic to non-human animal proteins as infants. My sister was one of those babies. In the last 60's they developed soy formula. She was sooooo allergic to regular formula, she was losing weight, because she had diahhrea. Soy for many babies is a godsend.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 9:11 PM |
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sealacamp
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Formula may produce an allergy to cow’s milk proteins, which can cause vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain and rash. This allergy can be life-threatening if the baby continues to receive the formula. Some formulas are available in which the proteins are broken down (hydrolyzed) so that they are less likely to cause the reaction.
Alternatively, the baby may be lactose-intolerant. Lactose intolerance is not an allergy. In this case the infant cannot digest lactose, the carbohydrate found in cow’s milk. The intolerance creates excessive gas, abdominal distension, pain and diarrhea. Eventually, the child may develop malnutrition from an inability to utilize the carbohydrate in cow’s milk.
When the baby has an allergy or lactose intolerance, the pediatrician may suggest formulas that do not use cow’s milk. Soy-based products should only be used under the advice of a pediatrician. These products should not be viewed as a "vegetarian alternative" to cow’s milk.
http://www.uspharmacist.com/oldformat.asp?url=newlook/files/cons/acf2f78.htm
Seems that you are mistaken once again.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 9:15 PM |
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Gentlegiant127
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For infants who are allergic to cow's milk, soy milk is the alternative of choice. But even one in four allergic infants have problems tolerating soy formula. Better to look into whey milk formulas. Whey milk is probably superior to soy milk when it comes to minimizing allergic reactions among infants. [Arerugi 46: 1044-51, 1997] In one study 84-99% of infants who were allergic to cow's milk were able to consume whey protein formula without allergic reaction.
[Journal Pediatric Gastroenterology Nutrition 26: 398-401, 1998]
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| May 2, 2007 @ 9:26 PM |
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eastham
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No Seal you are mistaken. Regular formula, at least in 1969, was cow based. My sister was given soy based formula, because she exhibited the symptoms you had in your post.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 9:26 PM |
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waterfire
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If adults want to be vegans that is fine but all people should realize that the nutritional needs of infants of any type, human or animal are very different than adults. Apparently these people didn't have a clue, didn't ask, and didn't seek out any answers. Living a natural lifestyle should not include being naturally ignorant to the point of a living person dying from it.
Well said Seal, whether vegan or carnivore a parent’s focus should only be for the welfare for their child not some belief/lifestyle
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| May 2, 2007 @ 9:30 PM |
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eastham
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hmmmm, whey milk didn't exist as a cow milk formula substitute until fairly recently. Soy was considered way out there when they gave it to my sister.
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| May 2, 2007 @ 9:40 PM |
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sealacamp
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No Seal you are mistaken. Regular formula, at least in 1969, was cow based. My sister was given soy based formula, because she exhibited the symptoms you had in your post.
I think you will have to take that argument to the United States group of Pharmasicts since that is what they say and also what doctors recomend. That did not come from me and that is why I posted the link with what is recomemded by professionals. I think you missed it.
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