| May 18, 2007 @ 3:08 PM |
Republican party chairman wants Ron Paul barred from debates
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Bj864
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No wonder the politicians never tell us the truth about what they think! If they do they are attacked on all sides. We can never know a person, unless they are honest with us. I prefer to hear what a person really thinks, whether I agree with them or not.
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/michigan/index.ssf?/base/news-44/117935695635230.xml&storylist=newsmichigan
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| May 18, 2007 @ 3:16 PM |
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spongebob777
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That's the GOP chairman of Michigan. Personally I prefer to let Ron Paul take himself out and he's pretty effectively doing that for himself.
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| May 18, 2007 @ 4:52 PM |
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bryan2992
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that one comment will hurt him sure, but I don't think it will take him out of the race. honestly, I think people from both parties are tired of hearing the same crap coming from different holes. Ron Paul is at least honest regardless if you agree with him. look at his record he has held true to his beliefs regardless of party affiliation. he is one of the very few politicians out that says what he thinks and to hell with the party.
I don't agree with the comments about 9/11 but at least he was brave enough to say em.
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| May 18, 2007 @ 5:00 PM |
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spongebob777
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Personally I would love to see Ron Paul in the attorney general slot.
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| May 18, 2007 @ 6:11 PM |
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jamminjerry
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 wait! did Rue change her/his name again!!
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| May 18, 2007 @ 6:22 PM |
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Gentlegiant127
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I found a post on another site about this.
Why does the leader of the Michigan GOP want Ron out? Because this is what Ron believes:
http://studentsforpaul.org/educating_americas_mayor_americas_interests
What can be done to keep Paul in the debates? Check the links below:
http://studentsforpaul.org/whats_happening_michigan_gop
http://studentsforpaul.org/keep_ron_paul_debates
Personally, I think Ron has a point. He said how would we like if some other powerful country like China had been heavily involved militarily in our country for decades, militarily and monetarily supporting leaders they like, overthrowing leaders they don't like, funneling money and arms to our enemies, building bases on our land, station warships off our shores, telling us to get rid of our nuclear weapons, etc. Wouldn't we be mad as heck after a certain point and try to do something to make them leave us alone?
It took a ton of courage for Paul to stand up and say things like that in front of a crowd of republicans who are not used to thinking that way.
Their tendency for them is to think, we need to hunt down and kill all the radical muslims. I think we did the right thing after 9/11. We went into afhganistan, and Paul was for that and so was I.
When there are potentially millions of them and all it takes is one of them to get lucky and sneak into one of our major cities and set off a nuclear bomb, then we could potentially lose 3 million lives here, instead of just 3 thousand like last time. Some say its only a matter of when that will happen, not if it will happen. What would our response be to the loss of 3 million American lives? What would you do if you were president after a disaster like that?
I know its unpopular, especially with republicans, but I think we need to try to find a way to de-escalate the situation if possible, once we have hunted down Al Queda and Bin Laden like Paul says he wants to do. I think we need to try to find a way to make peace with muslims who want to kill us, if thats possible. At least we should give it a honest try. If it isn't possible to ever make peace, then we have no choice but to do all we can to win and fight to the death. If we do that, I think its our fight to lose though. They are spread out all over the world in many many different countries. We are all here in one spot making an easy target where they can kill millions of us with one nuclear suicde bomber in a major city. All it takes is for one of them to get lucky to cause horrific death and destruction in America on a nightmarish scale never before seen. How many attacks like that can we take before our country is ruined with radioactive fallout all over the place?
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| May 18, 2007 @ 8:30 PM |
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spongebob777
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He said how would we like if some other powerful country like China had been heavily involved militarily in our country for decades, militarily and monetarily supporting leaders they like, overthrowing leaders they don't like, funneling money and arms to our enemies, building bases on our land, station warships off our shores, telling us to get rid of our nuclear weapons, etc. Wouldn't we be mad as heck after a certain point and try to do something to make them leave us alone?
Maybe he would like to explain what India has done, or Nepal and Bangladesh. He can go on and explain terrorist attacks and slaughter across Indonesia and the Philippines. For extra credit he can explain why they slaughtered their way across north Africa and much of southern Europe hundreds of years before the USA existed.
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| May 18, 2007 @ 9:02 PM |
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bryan2992
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Sponge, I agree with you most of the time. But he wasn't talking about other countries he was talking about what he believes is the reason they attacked us. I don't agree with it. But it as good as an explanation as them just being nut jobs.
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| May 18, 2007 @ 9:13 PM |
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spongebob777
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But it as good as an explanation as them just being nut jobs.
Paul was right but we shouldn't ignore the fact that they ARE nutjobs. They've got 14 centuries of history bent on expansion and domination. It's a fight we're going to have some day anyway and personally I would prefer that we finish it before they have the means of delivering a nuke.
Personally I would prefer that they undergo a reformation and drag themselves into this century.
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| May 18, 2007 @ 9:47 PM |
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Gentlegiant127
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I don't know what he would say about India and the other places you mentioned. What I'd say is, sure, there will be radical muslims who do bad stuff without any seeming provocation, as well as other countries in the world who do bad things. They should be dealt with somehow. But I don't think its a good idea for us to go off by ourselves policing the world. Sometimes we should get involved. For instance if we uncover a secret terrorist base thats planning to carry out some big terror attack with a nuclear bomb, I believe he'd want to put a stop to that. Can we or should we intervene though everytime something else bad happens somewhere in the world? The Tianamen square incident in China, there are those who say we should have intervened there and stopped the massacre and supported the democratic protestors, but we didn't. There have been many cases in the history of our country where some other country or group were doing bad things and we chose not to get involved. Sometimes we should get involved, and Ron Paul is not some complete pacisifist like some others try to make him out to be. From what I understand he just thinks that we should stop getting involved so much in military actions around the globe that cost billions and billions of dollars getting us further into debt(which gives China more power over us, and think what if they convert to Euros?)but if its a clear threat to national security or involves one of our allies asking us for help, then thats different.
I don't see a reason to cut off Paul from the rest of the debates. Let him say his piece, get people to think more than usual. If some republicans don't like what he has to say, they can vote for one of the other candidates.
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| May 18, 2007 @ 9:58 PM |
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Gentlegiant127
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Spongebob said: personally I would prefer that we finish it before they have the means of delivering a nuke.
They may already have one or more to sneak in. For all we know, one or more could go off in our country tomorrow. Or any time in the future. With so many muslims out there, who could become radicals, I think we need to be careful with our foreign policies, to try to prevent more from going from moderate to radical.
Can we ever really finish it? There are some who would say, as long as there are muslims, there will be radical muslims somewhere, someplace plotting. Can you ever hunt them all down before they strike when new ones are popping up all the time?
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| May 19, 2007 @ 2:32 AM |
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Gentlegiant127
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I am curious, I wonder what the two muslim women who post from time to time in the politics and current events forum think about all this? It would be nice to hear things from their perspective.
Do they think its possible to de-escalate the situation with radical muslims around the world, gradually back off and make peace and calm them down? Or is it too late for that, and all thats left is a long and brutal fight to the death between the U.S. and its allies and followers of radical Islam?
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| May 19, 2007 @ 10:06 AM |
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FeliciVagano
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..am curious, I wonder what the two muslim women who post from time to time in the politics and current events forum think about all this? It would be nice to hear things from their perspective.
...my opinion is that americans need to rethink this mindset... I would have no issue if you asked what LGQ or Blondino (living in england) thought of the situation in general but to qualify it with the fact that they folow the teachings of islam have no bearing on anything..
that would be the same as asking an american person who followed the jewish religion to explain why radical jews do what they do..or american catholics to explain why radical catholics do what they do..or american agnostic's to explain the thoughts of radical agnostics...
thinking you get my point..???
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| May 19, 2007 @ 2:58 PM |
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Gentlegiant127
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Felici,
I'm not claiming either of them are experts on radical islam in the middle east, but its possible they may have more insight into it than some of us here due to knowing alot about islam in general.
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| May 19, 2007 @ 3:20 PM |
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FeliciVagano
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it has been stated before..and bears repeating again...
radical Islamic terrorists have nothing to do with Islam...they are just using religion as an excuse to further their own agenda...
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| May 19, 2007 @ 4:13 PM |
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Gentlegiant127
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What about moderate muslims who are incited to become radicals due to our foreign policies in the middle east? If it has nothing to do with islam, then how do you explain that?
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| May 19, 2007 @ 4:30 PM |
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Bj864
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What about moderate muslims who are incited to become radicals due to our foreign policies in the middle east? If it has nothing to do with islam, then how do you explain that?
Good question.
It seems that a lot of people just pick up the talking points put out by politicians, without ever going any further. Myself, I try to think of what might make one person want to attack another.
If you look at most criminals, sometimes they attack other people to gain or get something. More often they attack them because of some wrong that has been done to them. At least they perceive it that way.
I think Ron Paul should be left alone to voice his views. At least people know where he stands. Thats more than you can say for most of the politicians.
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| May 20, 2007 @ 2:56 AM |
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Gentlegiant127
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Good news: Leader of Michigan GOP is backing down and not calling for Ron Paul to be barred from all further debates any longer. Bad news: The leader of the Michigan GOP is not fairly and accurately representing Paul's positions.
http://studentsforpaul.org/michigan_gop_adds_insult_injury
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| May 20, 2007 @ 3:43 AM |
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Gentlegiant127
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Going back to the previous discussion about the middle east and what Ron Paul thinks about what we've been doing over there for decades, here is a link worth checking out with commentary on what Ron Paul said from Michael Scheuer, the former head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit and a 22 year veteran of the CIA and author of the books Through Our Enemies Eyes: Osama bin Laden, Radical Islam, and the Future of America and Imperial Hubris: Why the West Is Losing the War on Terror.
Link
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| May 23, 2007 @ 12:30 PM |
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Bj864
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Thanks for the link.
I think if we use simple common sense, it tells us if you interfere with a country in a way that is harmful to them, you are going to reap consequences from your actions eventually. Even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, I think the strength of the insurgency is in part because of our past actions, along with the present ones.
A lot of people just do not want to hear the truth.
I am glad he is going to be able to remain in the debates. We have Kucinich on the democrat side that is courageous enough to tell the truth. It looks like Ron Paul may be another one on the republican side. fLets hope so.
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