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MarysPlace
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Thank you God for small favors.
What I think happened is that somebody tried to make her wear makeup and do her hair because she was really atrocious to look at. And finally we don't have to anymore.
And... mind the bolded portion. But we knew that.
'It's up to you now': Sheehan quits
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer 15 minutes ago
FORT WORTH, Texas - Cindy Sheehan, the soldier's mother who galvanized an anti-war movement with her monthlong protest outside
President Bush's ranch, says she's done being the public face of the movement.
"I've been wondering why I'm killing myself and wondering why the Democrats caved in to George Bush," Sheehan told The Associated Press by phone Tuesday while driving from her property in Crawford to the airport, where she planned to return to her native California.
"I'm going home for awhile to try and be normal," she said.
In what she described as a "resignation letter," Sheehan wrote in her online diary on the "Daily Kos" blog: "Good-bye America ... you are not the country that I love and I finally realized no matter how much I sacrifice, I can't make you be that country unless you want it.
"It's up to you now."
Sheehan began a grass roots peace movement in August 2005 when she set up camp outside the Bush ranch for 26 days, asking to talk with the President about the death of her son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan. Casey Sheehan was 24 when he was killed in an ambush in Baghdad.
Cindy Sheehan started her protest small, but it quickly drew national attention. Over the following two years, she drew huge crowds as she spoke at protest events, but she also drew a great deal of criticism.
"I have endured a lot of smear and hatred since Casey was killed and especially since I became the so-called "Face" of the American anti-war movement," Sheehan wrote in the diary.
On Memorial Day, she came to some "heartbreaking conclusions," she wrote.
When she had first taken on Bush, Sheehan was a darling of the liberal left. "However, when I started to hold the Democratic Party to the same standards that I held the Republican Party, support for my cause started to erode and the 'left' started labeling me with the same slurs that the right used," she wrote.
"I guess no one paid attention to me when I said that the issue of peace and people dying for no reason is not a matter of 'right or left', but 'right and wrong,'" the diary says.
Sheehan criticized "blind party loyalty" as a danger, no matter which side it involved, and said the current two-party system is "corrupt" and "rapidly descending into with nary a check or balance: a fascist corporate wasteland."
Sheehan said she had sacrificed a 29-year marriage and endured threats to put all her energy into stopping the war. What she found, she wrote, was a movement "that often puts personal egos above peace and human life."
But she said the most devastating conclusion she had reached "was that Casey did indeed die for nothing ... killed by his own country which is beholden to and run by a war machine that even controls what we think".
"Casey died for a country which cares more about who will be the next American Idol than how many people will be killed in the next few months while Democrats and Republicans play politics with human lives," she wrote. It is so painful to me to know that I bought into this system for so many years and Casey paid the price for that allegiance. I failed my boy and that hurts the most."
"I am going to take whatever I have left and go home," Sheehan wrote.
"Camp Casey has served its purpose. It's for sale. Anyone want to buy five beautiful acres in Crawford, Texas?"
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| May 29, 2007 @ 1:34 PM |
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jamminjerry
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i figure shes a bit smarter than i am. it took me over 6 years to figure out that if i couldn't change the system from the inside i sure as hell wasn't gonna change it from the outside. may i quote? "i shall not depart in a hail of glory, yea rather a hail of bullets".
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| May 29, 2007 @ 2:12 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...Yes, Cindy Sheehan is probably crazy and you know, she has reason to be.
...Cindy Sheehan is no different than any other parent that loses a child, any spouse that loses their partner, or loved one that loses another... that either wants to know said life was not lost in vain, or attempt to stop it from happening to others.
...Eventually, there were over 60 million parents and loved ones that attempted to do the same thing during and after the Vietnam era. Initially, the first ones were considered nuts, anti-patriotic, traitors, etc. But eventually, they all came to believe one of two conclusions, whichever appeased their conscious and allowed them to move on; the life or injury was lost in vain... or the lie, they died in service to protect their country.
...I admit, at the time, I thought anti-war demonstrators were, if not traitors, then cowards. It took a long time to understand politics, to even believe that our leaders were self serving from either emotional, or by monetary profits... or a blend of each.
..."May Casey Sheehan and millions of others rest in peace. You did what you thought was right and with that courage, your morals and convictions were also a million times higher than those supreme that lead you to death."
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| May 29, 2007 @ 2:31 PM |
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| May 29, 2007 @ 5:19 PM |
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ToucherinSparks
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Cindy isn't crazy, she's just milked this protest thing for all the fame and cash that she could get out of it, and now she's movin on.
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| May 29, 2007 @ 5:20 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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i pity her.
this poor woman was used and abused by a bunch of people who were looking to "put a face to the anti-war cause"...
i'm glad she's stepping down.
not because i dislike people who protest the war...god, no...but because i don't think she should put herself in that position anymore.
i think she really had good intentions.
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| May 29, 2007 @ 6:52 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Sheehan criticized "blind party loyalty" as a danger, no matter which side it involved, and said the current two-party system is "corrupt" and "rapidly descending into with nary a check or balance: a fascist corporate wasteland."
...Now, that I can believe. 
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| May 29, 2007 @ 7:44 PM |
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Bj864
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Here is another article and I agree with everything she said in it.
If it had been my son and I had been able, I would have probably done the same thing she did.
I think
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2090192,00.html
What I think happened is that somebody tried to make her wear makeup and do her hair because she was really atrocious to look at. And finally we don't have to anymore.
And who cares what her hair looked like? She is a mother who lost her son to a violent death. Most people in heavy grief are not overly concerned with their hairstyle. I know how pretty I looked was the last thing on my mind when my husband passed away. Also, she was out in the hot humid weather for hours and hours on end. Should she have taken along a personal hairdresser?
Maybe you can find someone prettier to look at, but they probably won't be nearly as sincere as she has been.
I respect her for having the courage to speak out.
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| May 29, 2007 @ 8:41 PM |
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MarysPlace
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Maybe you can find someone prettier to look at, but they probably won't be nearly as sincere as she has been.
She was as sincere as Sharpton or Jackson. Anything for fame and publicity.
I have one son and I want him to join the service some day. Why? Because this country is too good to go down the drain. That's precisely where people like Sheehan or you are dragging it.
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| May 29, 2007 @ 9:07 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Congrats on your first post in this thread Gemini. That was exceptionally well put.
Ms Sheehan may be crazy and mad, but with grief, at something that should never have been, something that would devastate us all, and at an idealistic view of a system that many trust blindly, whose last priority at present, turns out to be the sanctity of our military, and the preservation of our modern-day society.
I see where Dubya is threatening to veto a bill brought by Congress, regarding health benefits for war veterans, if they can't trim back the benefits to a signficantly lessor level and raise the cost of the program to each vet, often people with serious disabilities, no jobs, and few choices. Of course he has done similar things in the past where veterans are concerned. I sometimes wonder if the man actually has a soul.
-MM 
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| May 29, 2007 @ 9:31 PM |
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Bj864
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She was as sincere as Sharpton or Jackson. Anything for fame and publicity.
I have one son and I want him to join the service some day. Why? Because this country is too good to go down the drain. That's precisely where people like Sheehan or you are dragging it.
At least she isn't shallow enough to think makeup and hairstyles is more important than doing something that could actually save a persons life.
She fought not only for her own son, but for yours and everyones elses.
Why not give her at least some respect for what she has tried to do, whether you agree with her or not?
If she had been in it for the fame, as you suggested, I think she would have been more concerned with her appearance.
Some people never have anything good to say about anyone, no matter what they do.
I find that sad. Much sadder than windblown hair and a natural face.
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| May 29, 2007 @ 9:43 PM |
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MarysPlace
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She fought not only for her own son, but for yours and everyones elses.
I don't want somebody like her to "fight for my son" cuz it ain't his or my battle.
Why not give her at least some respect for what she has tried to do, whether you agree with her or not?
Respect for what? Half crazed woman making a fool of herself and at the expense of her own son and all that for fame? You have to be kidding me.
He was an adult. It was his decision to enlist in the army. As an adult he knew the risks. She made a circus of a soldier's death and that is despicable.
If she had been in it for the fame, as you suggested, I think she would have been more concerned with her appearance.
I'm sure she thinks that IS appearance.
Some people never have anything good to say about anyone, no matter what they do.
Hmmm... I never heard you say anything good about Mr. President. You may start now.
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| May 29, 2007 @ 9:50 PM |
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SensualGemini
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Mary wrote:
I have one son and I want him to join the service some day. Why? Because this country is too good to go down the drain. That's precisely where people like Sheehan or you are dragging it. ...Your son would be better served by becoming a Congressman and bringing some morality, integrity and honesty back to the front lines in the halls of Congress itself.
...I can absolutely guarantee you, that there is no honor in death in some 3rd world country, 13,000 miles from home, for a cause that history will prove to be another BS political scheme ... that cannot and will not win.
...We do agree, that this country is too good to go down the drain and that starts with the elected leaders that send these kids to death for war profiteering. That starts with our leaders that have allowed millions of Illegal Aliens into this country and have failed to provide the minimum of security at home, while extending our children's demise abroad without cause.
...As MM said, the Bush administration has blocked anything positive for our Veterans, present and future service members that have and will without question, blindly sacrifice everything from much to the ultimate.
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| May 29, 2007 @ 11:14 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Sheehan told the AP that she had considered leaving the peace movement since last summer while recovering from surgery. She decided on Memorial Day to step down and spend more time with her three other children. She said she was returning to California on Tuesday because it was Casey's birthday. He would have been 28. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/05/29/national/a064327D25.DTL
I would think she should have thought of the other children and her marriage too.
Oh well, that is just the way I would have did it.
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| May 29, 2007 @ 11:33 PM |
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ToucherinSparks
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that cannot and will not win.
The coalition won the Iraq war in just a few days. Iraq was completely defeated. The problem isn't the war, it's the peace. How to keep a bunch of religious fanatics from killing each other over who's more holy. How to stop thousands of years of tribal fueds. How to kill all the jihadists and general trouble makers who are flooding into Iraq to keep things in turmoil.
The lefties are trying to push us into the middle of a civil war in Darfur by claiming genocide. Well DUH! What do you think will happen as soon as we leave Iraq? Genocide that will make Darfur look like a Girl Scout picnic.
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| May 30, 2007 @ 12:35 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Touch said:
The coalition won the Iraq war in just a few days. Iraq was completely defeated. The problem isn't the war, it's the peace. How to keep a bunch of religious fanatics from killing each other over who's more holy. How to stop thousands of years of tribal fueds. How to kill all the jihadists and general trouble makers who are flooding into Iraq to keep things in turmoil. ...Guessing the dumb asses should have thought of the repercussions before they started what they cannot finish. "Read my lips" said Bush. "We are going to provide freedom and democracy to Iraq."
...Further, what did you miss? We never declared war on Iraq, but on Terrorism and since we kicked Saddam out, Iraq has been training and exporting urban terrorists world wide, including here. And no, there were no terrorists in Iraq; Saddam ruled with an iron fist and shared power with nobody.
...The War is on Terrorism and with the present policy, we are spanking our monkies in Iraq. Scroll through some of the other threads and Iraq has been completely addressed.
...In fact, most all of the Generals agree that with present policy in Iraq, it ain't going to happen Barney. So far, we have been at war with Terrorism in Iraq, longer than WWII and no end in sight; not even a friggen dent.
Touch said:
The lefties are trying to push us into the middle of a civil war in Darfur by claiming genocide. Well DUH! What do you think will happen as soon as we leave Iraq? Genocide that will make Darfur look like a Girl Scout picnic. ...The first sentence is BS, as was addressed on the thread you started here:
Sparky's thread
...The second, excluding duh, is probable and should have been anticipated before Rumsfeld/Bush ignored the advice from all of the Generals that they fired. Does this somehow indicate that meantime, we should continue providing our children for cannon fodder? Not in my book, as I already committed three sons there from the invasion on.
...If and this is a big if; but if we disarm the country now, as we should have, we stand a chance of creating a reasonably peaceful country. This administration grossly underestimated their anticipated cake walk.
...Further, I would not call the anticipated pull out from Iraq as creating a genocide. The religious sectors are about equal and more like a civil war, another one of many. So be it, as it is not my problem to police the world and meantime, their terrorists will be fighting each other and not exporting to my back yard.
...I edited the last paragraph for now....
[Edited on 5/30/2007 12:44 AM]
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| May 30, 2007 @ 12:39 AM |
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sparechange64
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 cindy ... don't let the door hit ya on the butt on your way to whereever
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| May 30, 2007 @ 12:46 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Where you been Spare?... Cindy has already left the building... 
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| May 31, 2007 @ 5:46 AM |
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twotall911
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all these men and women that are there volunteered for this and most that did are positive about the tour. I volunteered but was told i was too old to fly anymore
us old vets havent had anything from the govt for years in any amount and its sad somtimes it would be nice if they threw something our way once in awhile no matter what it is..
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| Jun 1, 2007 @ 1:55 PM |
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Bj864
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A lot of people that devote so much time to something like Cindy Sheehan did, do so because of the extreme pain they are feeling. Many of those same people end up doing a tremendous amount of good for thousands (or even millions) of people in the end.
The woman lost her son in a war that was based on lies. He did not die defending his country in any way whatsoever. She has a RIGHT to do what she did and to put her down because you think she was really atrocious to looka at is to me a terrible thing to do and shows no heart or compassion for another persons pain.
I should have known better than to even read this thread after seeing who started it. Maybe I have finally learned the lesson I needed to learn and will avoid any other threads started by you.
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