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onoudn
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As much as I try I can't seem to come up with a way to initiate a thread on tolerance without provoking someone to come on the thread and deliberately post something that causes the thread to be cancelled.
So then I'm requesting the assistance of my fellow MD clients to help me find a way. Can there be a point where we all can agree and/or disagree in a civil manner?
[Edited on 6/27/2007 1:46 PM]
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 1:44 PM |
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Blondino
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Tolerance is a personal decision that comes from a belief that every person is a treasure. I believe that diversity is A strength. I also recognize that ignorance, insensitivity and bigotry can turn that diversity into a source of prejudice and discrimination.
To help keep diversity a wellspring of strength and make a better place for all, I pledge to have respect for people whose abilities, beliefs, culture, race, sexual identity or other characteristics are different from my own.
To fulfill my pledge, I ...Jan ...... ...O....... will
# examine my own biases and work to overcome them
# set a positive example for my family and friends
# work for tolerance in my own community
# speak out against hate and injustice. For all our differences, we share one world. To be tolerant is to welcome the differences and delight in the sharing.
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 1:48 PM |
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onoudn
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perfect Blondino  I concur
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 3:58 PM |
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Bj864
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This is a major problem in todays world.
I have a question.
Should we have tolerance for people who call you names, cut you down and attack you?
That is something I have worked on for a long time. How to best handle that situation. It is so bad on all the forums, it drives decent people away and causes them to lose interest.
I cannot generate the same interest on the forum that I used to, because of this problem. It does something to you when you read this negative, angry and hate filled stuff too often.
The last couple of weeks seem better than usual, but I am not going to start any new threads, until I see how it goes. I used to really look forward to all the conversations and debates, but just a few people kept getting my threads closed down. Who can get excited about someone calling you vicious names?
I wish I could be more helpful, but I do not think these type of people are capable of civil discourse and matchdoctor allows them (so do other forums) to keep up their insulting posting, until they drive the others away. Look at the small amount of interest on this forum now. I think it is largely because of this problem.
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 5:04 PM |
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Blondino
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Should we have tolerance for people who call you names, cut you down and attack you?
I think they should be made to show respect ... many people who used to post in here now dont because of the real nastiness .. yes we are all supposed to be adults but some people seem to enjoy childish nastiness and name calling ...
I wish I could be more helpful, but I do not think these type of people are capable of civil discourse and matchdoctor allows them (so do other forums) to keep up their insulting posting, until they drive the others away. Look at the small amount of interest on this forum now. I think it is largely because of this problem.
and the use of negative language to undermine people .. childish .... whine ..OMG that word is so over used when someone wants to discredit another 
Yes BJ its a shame that a few spoil it for the many ... 
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 5:22 PM |
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eastham
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What makes it unbearable is not the difference of opinion, but the belief that volume trumps discernment.
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 5:43 PM |
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steveemac
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They that are endued with sincerity and faithfulness should associate with all the peoples and kindreds of the earth with joy and radiance, inasmuch as consorting with people hath promoted and will continue to promote unity and concord, which in turn are conducive to the maintenance of order in the world and to the regeneration of nations. Blessed are such as hold fast to the cord of kindliness and tender mercy and are free from animosity and hatred.
This Wronged One exhorteth the peoples of the world to observe tolerance and righteousness, which are two lights amidst the darkness of the world and two educators for the edification of mankind. Happy are they who have attained thereto and woe betide the heedless.
--Bahá’u’lláh; Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh Revealed After the Kitáb-i-Aqdas p 36
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 5:47 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I believe there should be a respect for people, especially about things they can't change. But I don't believe in any way that because you hold respect for someone it means you should be forced to be friends with them or date them if something about them bothers you.
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 6:11 PM |
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sealacamp
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Tolerance does not = acceptance.
This has been done before several time prior to your arrival.
Unfortunately many people now equate tolerance and acceptance with out knowing the difference.
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 7:03 PM |
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onoudn
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tol·er·ance (tol'?r-?ns)
n.
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 7:24 PM |
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BandTMom
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What makes it unbearable is not the difference of opinion, but the belief that volume trumps discernment.
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 8:06 PM |
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jamminjerry
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the most important aspect of tolerance is time. and here in matchdoctor the Mods decide when it is time. in real life i will put up with a barking dog for only so long. if i cannot seperate myself from the dog i will seperate the dog from me. the point i am making is the dog should be barking for a reason. it is the same with human communication. once you have stated your position/opinion it is not necessary to keep barking. where i am guilty of "barking" is my adamance in honoring the red letters. and so, if my adamant stance on that specific becomes "barking" to you, of course remind me. tolerance is not that big an issue for me, just quit barking when i find out there is nothing there. 
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 9:23 PM |
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onoudn
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I'll try to keep the dog out of your yard dude.
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| Jun 27, 2007 @ 10:45 PM |
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Say_Yes
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tol·er·ance (tol'?r-?ns)
n.
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.
The thing is that as a society, we are not and should not be tolerant of all things. The problem comes in deciding what actions, behaviours, beliefs and practices should be tolerated and which should be despised.
For example, I am not tolerant of child pornography. Some people see nothing wrong with it and they indulge in such on a regular basis. Some people enjoy dog fights & cock fights. I find such activities to be deplorable. Some people deprive medication to children that are dying, in the name of religion. I find that to be abusive and not worthy of tolerance either.
There are many beliefs and practices that are common in this world, for which I have no tolerance. In spite of this, I sleep well at night, with no concern as to the opinion of those who would mark me as being intolerant.
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| Jun 28, 2007 @ 12:26 AM |
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onoudn
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I was hoping to start with just a little tolerance here in MD land. When I posed the thread I was frustrated with my discussion on Buddhism thread. I just couldn't understand why it was that people had to come on to the thread and disrupt the thread trying to force everyone to debate them about whether Buddhism was a valid faith versus other religions. Namely Christianity. It started with one person. Then others came on the thread. So I'm wondering what the problem with some people is that they can't even allow people to discuss a subject they may not agree with in peace.
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| Jun 28, 2007 @ 12:40 AM |
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Azuras
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I just couldn't understand why it was that people had to come on to the thread and disrupt the thread trying to force everyone to debate them about whether Buddhism was a valid faith versus other religions. Namely Christianity. It started with one person. Then others came on the thread. So I'm wondering what the problem with some people is that they can't even allow people to discuss a subject they may not agree with in peace.
I noticed going into the Religion threads that there are a few there...(im not mentioning names)...  that are religiously driven rabble rousers..who are posting for God......they believe they are being channeled by what ever religious spirit Christianity or Buddhism..bla bla bla etc etc....religion
So much for being SPIRITUAL and walking the path of PEACE
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| Jun 28, 2007 @ 8:48 AM |
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jamminjerry
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perhaps when starting your next thread you might want to emphasize the point that the thread is about a specific closed topic. it is not open for discussion. you will have to be adamant about this point. there are a few of "us" here that feel that every single topic in these forums are open for discussion. we actually haven't read all the rules that the lords of M D require to keep democracy in the forums. i have started many threads with a specific topic, a favorite being "the end times according to Jesus". logic implies that there would be a lot of interest in "the end times". apparently not. LOL another point you might concentrate on is narrowing the topic. the holy roller rooms seem to be about very broad topics and so you have countless "what ifs" and there is frustration because it isn't your what if. maybe that is the very problem with the arguments and the discussions. the topic is so broad that everyone has their own "what if". and no one wants to debate a specific what if! if it is one "what if" then we have to answer yes, not or abstain. we be jammin
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| Jun 28, 2007 @ 11:20 AM |
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onoudn
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You know jerry I don't mean to seem non appreciative to your advise but you don't know what you are talking about. This thread was clearly defined as a "discussion on buddhism". There were people who were having a discussion based on the topic without any problem figuring out what the topic was. Then another person came on the thread and wanted to have a debate. Several people asked nicely that it stop but they refused. The person even admitted they were there because of past instances where they were trying to have a discussion on Christianity and thier thread was interupted, as the reason. There was no confusion as to what the thread was about. And this point was in fact brought home numerous times by several different people. It was a deliberate act to prevent people from having a discussion because they were upset over something that had nothing to do with anything else but revenge, ignorance, and rudeness, on thier part.
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| Jun 28, 2007 @ 12:21 PM |
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budo13
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tolerance -vs- acceptance i can tolerate certain ideologies, lifestyles etc but i don't want anyone to shove it in my face and tell me i have to accept it i have core values and beliefs i will not change them.this does not make a bigot nor an evil person i have learned tolerance of many things and i can live side by side with them please don't try to make me accept certain things because they a popular or whatever that makes me shy away even more.live your own lifestyles as long as it doesnt infring on my own or anyone else's but don't force the issues.i live in peace with all of my brothers and sisters because of tolerance and not acceptance.....nuff said 
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| Jun 28, 2007 @ 2:28 PM |
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Blondino
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seems most people dont know the difference between tolerance and accpetance
Tolerance is an action. More precisely, it is a restraint from action. In the case of diversity, tolerance is treating all people decently whether one likes them or not, whether one accepts them or not. Acceptance, on the other hand, is a mental state. In the case of diversity, acceptance is embracing someone’s differences.
For example, I do not agree with the “gangsta” lifestyle. If I go a day without assaulting or otherwise harrming one of these “gangstas,” I have practiced a basic level of tolerance. More precisely, I have restrained myself from taking negative action against someone with whose lifestyle I do not agree. If I treat one of these “gangstas” just as politely as I would any other stranger, I have practiced a high level of tolerance. My view of the “gangsta” and his lifestyle have not changed, I have merely risen above the need to act out on that opinion.
What would it take for me to accept the “gangsta” lifestyle? I would first have to agree with it. To do this, I would have to change my beliefs about good and bad, since I see the “gangsta” lifestyle as harmful to others and ultimately self-destructive. In fact, I would have to abandon my deeply held belief that each individual should be treated with respect and dignity to accept the “gangsta” lifestyle, since it very often violates that belief.
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