| Jun 30, 2007 @ 3:03 PM |
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Josuha
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The fourth of July is coming soon.
I went into a store and seen American flags for sale. Most of them made in China or Taiwan.
I started thinking of the thought of the 4th of July.
A bloody conflict to make ourselves Independent of a tyrant.
A nation born..with the ideals written on a piece of paper called 'The Declaration of Independence" and the US Constitution.
Men and women as us, coming to together with the idea that people have 'inalienable' rights.
I think today of such documents as the "Patriot Act'.
People in Cuba that have been imprisoned with no trail, no attorney..
Torture by Military personnel.
Secret prisons and incarcerations.
Even shows dipicting torture as in '24 Hours'..making us numb to the very ideals this nation was created upon.
I wonder what do we really believe today.
We put stickers on our cars..we will rasie the flag on the fourth..we will sing the National Anthem at the baseball game..
But does that make us 'Americans"?
President Kennedy speaking to the press said..
"Ther is little value in ensuring the survival of our nation, if our traditions, do not survive with it."
This was during the 'Cold War' when nuclear war was a very real possibilty.
What do you believe?
Comprimise who we are as a people or stand on what we represent as a free people..?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shdMSIcsXsk&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA
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| Jun 30, 2007 @ 4:18 PM |
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Bj864
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I believe that our country has lost its way and we need to find it again.
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| Jun 30, 2007 @ 5:32 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Good videos Josh..
I think your concerns are justified, and to a degree I share them.
But I don't believe Americans as a whole have changed that much within our hearts and minds. I do believe however, we have faltered in selecting our leadership and the leadership we have experienced for the last several years does not adhere to the traditional American beliefs we would expect them to. Nor does it represent us well.
I am quite certain we will recover, as we have before, but that it may be a long, difficult road to undo a lot of the errors, and the misjudgments we have made along the way, some motivated by things other than the best interests of the country as a whole. The Patriot Act was certainly one of those, and the list is long.
What I do fear perhaps the most, is that a new door has now been opened. A door that was not open before, one that doesn't respect tradition or morals, or people, and is likely to be abused in the future in similar ways,since that line has now been crossed. So in that respect American has changed, and not for the better.
However fundamentally, I don't feel Americans have changed along with it.
We have indeed lost our way. But we'll find it again. It won't come easy, but it's worth it.
-MM 
[Edited on 6/30/2007 6:09 PM]
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| Jun 30, 2007 @ 11:50 PM |
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Jankia
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What do you believe? Greed
Selfish excessive or uncontrolled desire for possession of money I believe that greed is the most serious problem that America faces and it starts right in our own homes with our familes torn apart by marriages that fail from its tension,our children coming home to an empty house because both parents are working full time.
It drives up oil prices.
It turns good law enforcement into crooked.
Attorneys and Insurance Drug and Oil companies run this country because of greed,that wasnt the case when the Declaration of Independence was written,and we all know how it affects how our politicians behavior.If you dont think its happening just look at the payoffs given lately to the executives of bankrupt and failed companies while the workers got a small severence or nothing at all.
Look at the immigration problem,they dont come here to be free,they want to share in our greed.The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, will be the end of freedom,long before terrorism or nuclear war takes it away from us.
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| Jul 1, 2007 @ 1:37 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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JANKIA...AS I SAT IN CHURCH TODAY, (YES, A LIBERAL GOES TO CHURCH. ANN COULTER IS WRONG AGAIN!) I THOUGHT THE SAME THING! GREED, CORPORATE AMERICA FUNDING ELECTIONS, AND THEN ELECTED OFFICIALS, HAVE CHANGED OUR SYSYTEM FROM WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE. HAVE WE BECOME GODLESS? NO, NOT REALLY. BUT, MONEY HAS BECOME THE GOD TO MANY IN AUTHORITY. AND THIS ISN'T TO SAY THAT MAKING MONEY IS A BAD THING. IT'S WHAT YOU DO WITH THE MONEY YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINES WHETHER IT'S BAD OR NOT. BEING RICH OR STIVING TO BE RICH ISN'T A SIN. BEING GREEDY, OR RECKLESS IS A SIN. THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE. IT'S THE 1% THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
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| Jul 1, 2007 @ 2:22 PM |
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Jankia
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COWBOYBILLYBOB-
Even though we are greedy,that still doesnt lower our status as the finest country in the world.No country on earth volunteers or donates more funding for the worlds hunger and medical needs than our own.
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| Jul 1, 2007 @ 7:11 PM |
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sealacamp
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Even though we are greedy,that still doesnt lower our status as the finest country in the world.No country on earth volunteers or donates more funding for the worlds hunger and medical needs than our own.
Quite right Jankia. But this is downplayed by those that are not the recipients of any out those things. Don't forget government funding, subsidies, and donation of military hardware to some countries that can not afford any.
For example the Philippines has a small number of C130 aircraft that they keep in reserve for emergency transport purposes. All of them have been donated. Sure there are some things that need to be addressed here but that can equally be said about any place that people live, some even more so than the US. But not everything that happens here or leaves here is bad.
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| Jul 1, 2007 @ 9:00 PM |
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Jankia
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But not everything that happens here or leaves here is bad.
It would be nice if major news networks could remember that more often.
Hi Seal...its been awhile,hope all is well. 
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| Jul 2, 2007 @ 6:32 AM |
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sealacamp
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Where have you been Jankia? Haven't seen you in some time now. Hope things are going well for you.
You are right about the media BTW. Doesn't matter what the source all to often it is a one sided story. Then they tell us how fair and complete the news is. Ha that is a good one.
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| Jul 2, 2007 @ 9:59 AM |
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juzhey
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Well, the greed of politicians is part of the problem. The greed of the corps, another. And the greed of those who want to come to this country and take advantage of what we have built up, is another, and also causes resentment from the citizens already here that end up paying for them. I think the majority of people are not all that greedy, just resent being stolen from through all these taxes and such that really don't benefit them. I think most people are getting tired of feeding the "machine" instead of their own families, without any choice about it.
I also think that Bush and his BS, especially regarding the situation with this war, is having a negative effect on the people overall. He has screwed it up so bad, people are not only getting sick of the whole thing (especially being embarrassed by him), as long as he is still mucking along, we appear to have very hard hearts. He sucks as a rep!
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| Jul 3, 2007 @ 12:37 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Embarrassed by Bush is a big factor too Juzhey. When he goes off to places like Russia and other such things, you have to wonder what he's going to screw up next. After all, unfortunately other countries do see him as our representative. I just wish he'd stay here until 2008, and simply lay low in Crawford or wherever. Just stay out of sight. He's a lame duck anyway, and I've yet to see either one of them (including Cheney) do anything worthwhile. Of course Congress isn't doing a lot better right now.
Illegal Immigration is of course at the forefront of just about everybody's mind. And Bush pushing this recent Amnesty Bill, to make some 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens American Citizens, was too. Hard to believe some of the things that actually happen at top levels sometimes.
Once we get leadership in place that is far more capable, (and honest, and with the actual best interests of America in mind - what a concept!), I think that will mean a lot regarding how Americans are feeling these days.
-MM 
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| Jul 3, 2007 @ 12:42 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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We'll see a Republican Congress in 2008...and not because Americans trust Republicans more, but because they don't like the way the Democrats are handling their position of power.
Kind of like what happened in 2006.
Until the American people can elect officials not because they're "tired" of the majority party, but because they're sure of which party is going to make the changes they want, we may continue to see situations like this....
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| Jul 3, 2007 @ 1:57 PM |
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kjac
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Unfortunately LGQ, I agree with you. Which is why I think it will be Obama or Clinton in the White House. And apparently the republicans agree, which would explain why their best candidate is an unqualified actor.
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| Jul 3, 2007 @ 10:28 PM |
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Bj864
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We'll see a Republican Congress in 2008
I don't think so. No matter how bad the democrats might be at getting something done, that won't be as bad to the voters as how very corrupt the republicans have been.
Just told a friend of mine yesterday, that there is only one thing worse than a democrat politician. That's a republican one.
Wish Al Gore would change to an independant and run for president. Too bad he didn't get to sit in the seat we voted him in for.
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| Jul 4, 2007 @ 10:55 AM |
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juzhey
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I think that the best way for America to recover is to forget about both political parties, and just try to elect a candidate that cares more about fixing the country than the hype.
We do not need democrats or republicans, or any of those other parties, we should all just be free thinkers and make decent decisions, and for crying out loud, a legit voting process. Nope, don't think George really was elected by the people. Did a lot of digging when all that chad muck went down, and from what I found I really do think the whole thing was rigged.
Ok, go ahead, lose you minds and flip out over that. I expect it LOL
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| Jul 4, 2007 @ 8:47 PM |
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Bj864
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I think that the best way for America to recover is to forget about both political parties, and just try to elect a candidate that cares more about fixing the country than the hype.
That sounds good, but in reality it doesn't work. The parties have a huge influence over the candidates and who we get to vote for. The good ones don't make it, because the parties (the corporations and the media) don't want them to.
Thats why I wish we would get a high profile independant and maybe we can break this 2 party lock they have on the country.
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| Jul 5, 2007 @ 9:31 PM |
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juzhey
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"That sounds good, but in reality it doesn't work."
Aw phooey, oh well, I am going back to my day dream now.
  
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| Jul 6, 2007 @ 9:06 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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believe that our country has lost its way and we need to find it again.
The USA has been hijacked by a LIBERAL NEWS MEDIA that acts now as a POLITICAL DISINFORMATION AND NEWS MEDIA PROPAGANDA COMPLEX, with a bunch of Socialists like George Soros with heavy pockets funding the candidacies of Anti-War "COPPERHEAD DEMOCRATS" who "Hate America First," buy into the HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA and the unilatteral disarmament of the USA while under the guns of our enemies and hostile forces abroad.
Expect Hillary to not only come out of the closet as a sexual deviant but also, if elected, to unfurl the banner of her "Stalinist" propensities as America's most dangerous Liberal.
And Barak Hussein Obama, who as a child was indoctrinated with Wahabbe Islamic textbooks urging Moslems to kill Christian and Jewish "Infidels," as in the Wahabbe elementary school text that says
"There is a Jew hiding behind the tree. Kill him. Kill him."
To emphasize Barak Hussein Obama's latent affinity with the Islamic factions, just see the photos of him wearing the Turban while he was visiting Africa recently. Wouldn't he look charming sitting in the Oval Office wearing that same Islamic Turban while withdrawing the USA from the war on terror in order to create a vacuum for the benefit of the militant fundamentalist Islamo-Fascist Terrorists?
JMO: I wish you well my friends:
The "Utopia-American" viewpoint. Good night and good luck.
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| Jul 6, 2007 @ 10:15 PM |
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eastham
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And Barak Hussein Obama, who as a child was indoctrinated with Wahabbe Islamic textbooks urging Moslems to kill Christian and Jewish "Infidels," as in the Wahabbe elementary school text that says
This has been proved to be false. Get over it.
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| Jul 6, 2007 @ 11:09 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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This has been proved to be false.
Proof please. It has long been understood that Wahabbe Islamic texts are virulently anti-semitic and the quote I placed of elementary school text books citing passeges as "Kill the Jew hiding behind the tree." is rather well established.
I expect the secular progressives to employ the "Big Lie" techniques in an attempt to whitewash Barak Hussein Obama's emperically true Islamic school attendance while a child in Indonesia.
Your protestation of a lack of Obama's childhood education and religous affiliation as being a Wahabbe educated Moslem is strongly suspected of being POLITICAL DISINFORMATION, a tactic that we have seen many, many, times before.
Accordingly, you are well challenged to dispute the facts.
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