| Jul 9, 2007 @ 7:36 PM |
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onoudn
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Sheehan said she will run as an independent against the San Francisco Democrat in 2008 if Pelosi does not file articles of impeachment against Bush by July 23. That's when Sheehan and her supporters are to arrive in Washington, D.C., after a 13-day caravan and walking tour starting from the group's war protest site near Bush's Crawford ranch...more
I stated in another thread that I couldn't bring myself to be too critical towards Cindy Sheehan. I really feel bad for herlosing her son. But now that she is threatening to run against Pelosi on an independent ticket, I might just change my postition. I support her efforts to end the war in a timely manner. If that's what she really wants. But now she starting look a little too manipulative and self-serving.
She claims that she is doing in to hold our elected official accountable. But I'm having a problem figuring out which side she is on. Her own or whats best for America.
I've always presumed that she was being manipulated by anti-war/bush activist. I presumed that she was new to the political arena and/or she just got caught up in all the media attention; or maybe she was in grief. Maybe I was wrong. I don't think she can beat Pelosi, she too popular in her district. The present approval rating nation-wide not withstanding. So then the inevitable question becomes. What must Sheehan be thinking? Who is pushing her to do this? Does she actually think that she can replace Pelosi ? But mostly, why isn't anyone there to give her guidance about what she's getting herself into?
She most remember how the media went after her before. If she runs for a public office it going to be like Dole was advised before he ran against Clinton. " Before you ran for president the press laughed at your jokes, but if you run they will start writing them down"
Besides you don't decide to run conditional upon one single issues. Any political oponent is going to eat her alive with that one. This all makes me think that this is nothing more than a lot of bark with no intention of biting. Again, what must she be thinking?
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 7:55 PM |
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eastham
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I think that Cindy Sheehan is trying to keep Nancy Pelosi's feet to the fire. Pelosi, following the vote in the spring to extend funding for the troops in Iraq indicated that the next set of votes in August and September would be the most critical.
I was drawn to this one quote in the OP:
Besides you don't decide to run conditional upon one single issues
Not true. Throughout our history, single issue candidates have won their quest for office. A recent example would be Long Island Congress Carolyn McCarthy, who won a Congressional seat following her husband's murder and her son's injury at the hands of Colin Ferguson. McCarthy first ran on gun control. She continues to win re-election, because she has broadened her legislative agenda to other areas. So I think it is fairer to say that while you may win the initial race, single issue candidates are rarely re-elected.
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 8:09 PM |
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steveemac
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you don't decide to run conditional upon one single issues
Ross Perot: paying down the national debt.
Steve Forbes: flat tax
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 8:14 PM |
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SensualGemini
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onoudn:
What must Sheehan be thinking? ...Publicity for her cause and beliefs. It does not matter if she wins or not, as the core publicity promotes her goals of ending the war in Iraq.
...Most will say as you do, that she is being manipulated by "anti-war/bush activist." Well, what if it was actually the pro Bush war people that are using her for their benefit? Most people construe she is an idiot, crazy, etc. and actually seems to be giving Bush more credibility by his selective responses to her actions.
Factual? I don't know.... just food for thought.
...Eventually and if not by default, she will attain her goals... as all wars eventually end and then what will she reflect upon? She will remain an empty shell, having lost most of her family, her life and in a way, it is sad...
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 8:57 PM |
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onoudn
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I think that Cindy Sheehan is trying to keep Nancy Pelosi's feet to the fire. Pelosi, following the vote in the spring to extend funding for the troops in Iraq indicated that the next set of votes in August and September would be the most critical.
I seem to remember Pelosi promising not to draft articles of impeachement for Bush. The populace seem to want the democrats, republicans, and Bush to work together. The idea, as I recall, was that our government was finally going to work the way that it was intended. With the checks and balances, debates, votes, etc, instead of Bush just being given a pass on what ever he wanted to do.
So I think it is fairer to say that while you may win the initial race, single issue candidates are rarely re-elected.
Agreed. But I still think that a crafty, focused, seasoned, and more qualified, opponent can use her single issue motivations against her successfully.
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 9:05 PM |
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Bj864
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I think she is trying to hold our leaders accountable, whether they are republican or democrat.
I say, go for it! They need ALL OF US to demand accountablity from them.
I don't think she cares about fame, publicity or any of that stuff. She lost her son in a war that was built on lies. She wants somebody to pay for that.
AND THEY SHOULD PAY FOR IT.
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 9:06 PM |
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onoudn
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Thanks bj 
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 9:16 PM |
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iam7545
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someone ought to get Pelosi out of the beauty shop, the BOTOX clinic and off of her weekly useless junkets on our dime and hold her ars accountable! She has delivered NONE of her promises! She continues to support crooks and nothing has changed in Congress - Thus the 17% APPROVAL RATING! She blew her chance - GO CINDY GO!
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 9:21 PM |
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onoudn
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I really don't think that anyone can unseat Pelosi. Nor do I really think anyone in Congress is taking Sheehan that seriously. I think her threat, though perhaps good intentioned, in the long run just makes her lose even more credibility than she already had before. The last we heard she was stepping down to take the spot light off herself. Now, before we less politically inclined attention deficit, fickle types, can forget about that news, she's back in the spotlight again making exstravagant gestures. I don't think she electable against a even poor opponent, much less one of Pelosi's stature.
someone ought to get Pelosi out of the beauty shop, the BOTOX clinic and off of her weekly useless junkets on our dime and hold her ars accountable! She has delivered NONE of her promises! She continues to support crooks and nothing has changed in Congress - Thus the 17% APPROVAL RATING! She blew her chance - GO CINDY GO!
thanks iam but, hey, wait a minute that's the Senator of my district your talking about buddy... 
Unfortunately she is more damaging to her Democratic partners in Congress than she is to herself and her re-election possibilities here in sunny Cali....Then, again I'm just going by where I live. It might not be Statewide. hmmmm...Maybe ole Cindy might have a chance.... 
[Edited on 7/9/2007 9:33 PM]
[Edited on 7/9/2007 9:34 PM]
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 9:33 PM |
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iam7545
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Pelosi is a Congressperson - not Senator O
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| Jul 9, 2007 @ 9:37 PM |
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onoudn
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ooops
thanks
I knew that really you see that I typed partners in Congress...I knew that I swear.... 
Payback is a dog..... 
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 9:59 AM |
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Bj864
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I doubt very much if Sheehan has any thought of winning. I think she is simply holding Pelosi's feet to fire and expecting her to keep her promises. Also, Pelosi needs to do her job and stop catering to the money, as they are all doing. If Bush needs to be impeached, she should quit avoiding it and do what she needs to do.
Just think how exausted Cindy must be, but yet she keeps on. I admire her for that.
GO CINDY GO
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 10:06 AM |
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iam7545
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I hope Cindy wins O - Congressional elections are easy to lose as the constituency is so small -
Look - we all know this -
Cindy does not waste time in the beauty shop
She does not waste her time in a Botox clinic
Her junkets put her in tents not the Four Seasons!
If George Soros continues to support her she can beat anyone!
And Last - compared to Pelosi - Cindy looks like a RHodes Scholar!
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 11:23 AM |
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onoudn
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Bj said
I doubt very much if Sheehan has any thought of winning. I think she is simply holding Pelosi's feet to fire and expecting her to keep her promises. Also, Pelosi needs to do her job and stop catering to the money, as they are all doing. If Bush needs to be impeached, she should quit avoiding it and do what she needs to do.
I agree with the part about Sheehan no having any thought of winning. And I Also agree that Pelosi should keep her promises. I just don't agree with Sheehan's methods. There are other ways to put pressure on our elected officials than making threats that everyone knows you have no intention of following through on. BTW if we impeach Bush we just get Chaney, who is probally running the show anyway. So if, like you say, Bush needs to be impeached, then Chaney needs to go as well.
Just think how exausted Cindy must be, but yet she keeps on. I admire her for that.
GO CINDY GO
Yeah you're right on this one too. She must be exhausted and emotional drained by now.
IAM Said
Cindy does not waste time in the beauty shop
She does not waste her time in a Botox clinic
Her junkets put her in tents not the Four Seasons!
If George Soros continues to support her she can beat anyone!
And Last - compared to Pelosi - Cindy looks like a RHodes Scholar!
 just rolls eyes.....
I really don't think Cindy can beat Pelosi...But what do we know about Soros that makes you think he could make all the difference? You all know more about politics than me. I'm just learing really....hence the mistake about Pelosi being a Senator. Jeeeeez....She is the first woman speaker of the house for Christ sake.
Wait a minute. I'm living in the district of the speaker of the house and I'm putting up with all this crap with folks....never mind.... 
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 12:07 PM |
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vinny_53
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Iam...Pikesville, Maryland, United States
 ... why the attacks on Pelosi? 
btw.. I liked the new look "o" ( of your posts here...) don't let Iam bait you into reverting back to your old style...
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 1:34 PM |
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onoudn
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btw.. I liked the new look "o" ( of your posts here...) don't let Iam bait you into reverting back to your old style.
Me and IAM go way back he's just fine Vinny.
Thanks for the compliment though
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 5:31 PM |
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MusicMonster
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I think she is trying to hold our leaders accountable, whether they are republican or democrat.
I say, go for it! They need ALL OF US to demand accountablity from them.
I don't think she cares about fame, publicity or any of that stuff. She lost her son in a war that was built on lies. She wants somebody to pay for that.
AND THEY SHOULD PAY FOR IT.
Agreed.. I don't really know why so many seem to want to think Sheehan is evil in some way, or that she's necessarily a puppet for others. It took guts to do what she did in Texas, and many parents in the USA feel just about the same way. I too would like to have a big hammer to beat on Congress and this Whitehouse, to get them to actually act, and act appropriately, when they don't keep their promises and when they blatently violate the rights of Americans, and start wars that never should have been.
I agree too, with the low ratings they are all getting these days. We need change and badly! 2006 didn't bring anywhere near the end-results so many hoped it would. And many have not realized the actions they voted for.
-MM
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 6:23 PM |
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iam7545
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vinny - I grew up with Pelosi's family - her Dad and my Grandfather were good friends - I know her brother well - I promise you - her father would be rolling over in his grave seeing some of the non-sense she has done! He was a good friend to Jews and Israel - Pelosi's bonehead antics in Syria should have resulted in her arrest - not impeachment - I mean JAIL! Just that no one in the Congress takes her seriously - they know she is a dope and is prone to swallowing her foot anytime that she speaks. Which she does on a regular basis!
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 8:13 PM |
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vinny_53
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thank you for being honest about your dislike of Pelosi.. Is this the trip that you are referring to?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264334,00.htmlThursday, April 05, 2007 Pelosi is the highest ranking U.S. official to go to Syria since former Secretary of State Colin Powell visited the nation in 2003. Defying the White House's Middle East policy by meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad, Pelosi said, "The road to Damascus is a road to peace.".....After meeting for three hours with Assad on Wednesday, the House speaker announced that the Syrian president is "ready to engage in negotiations for peace with Israel." Assad has repeatedly said over the past year that Damascus is willing to negotiate with Israel as long as talks lead to the return of the Golan Heights, seized by Israel after it was attacked by Syria and six other neighbors in the 1967 Six-Day War.Shocking officials in Jerusalem, where she had visited two days earlier, Pelosi said she also told Assad that Olmert had wanted to relay the message that Israel is ready for peace talks with Syria.
That came as a surprise to the prime minister, whose office on Wednesday denied any such conversation and said that "what was discussed with the House speaker did not include any change in Israel's policy, as it has been presented to international parties involved in the matter."Olmert's office also issued a statement saying it had specified to Pelosi that Israel considers Syria "part of the axis of evil and a party encouraging terrorism in the entire Middle East." Pelosi's office on Thursday issued a statement saying that she "accurately relayed" the message from Olmert to Assad, which was that Syria must cease its ties with Hamas and Hezbollah, among other things that the Bush administration also is calling for. The statement also downplayed the reaction by Israeli officials, which Pelosi's office said "sought merely to express that the message given to Speaker Pelosi did not indicate a change in Israel's position toward Syria. The speaker neither said nor implied that this message was a change in Israel's position." A group of three Republican congressmen also visited Syria in recent days, but with a much lower profile. They too met with Assad. One staff member, however, said the two trips were planned independently and the Republicans were unaware of the speaker's travel plans. U.S. government officials say the visit by Pelosi, and to a lesser extent other members of Congress, weakens efforts to isolate Damascus and cut off Syria for its attempts to undermine Mideast peace. The United States has kept Syria in the loop as part of an international support group for Iraq. U.S. officials sat down with Iran and Syria, among others, in February on ways to improve Iraq's security situation.But with the exception of that, diplomacy has been nearly non-existent in an effort to stop Syria in its tracks on everything from its support of terrorist groups such as Hezbollah to what is widely believed to be its role in the assassination of Lebanese leaders, including that of Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in 2005. "People want to open a dialogue, but just, you know, talking for the sake of talking really doesn't accomplish very much, unless you have some kind of a goal in mind. I mean, what do we want out of the Syrians? What are we asking them to do in these conversations? And that would be interesting to know, I think," Defense Secretary Robert Gates told radio talk show host Laura Ingraham on Wednesday. Pelosi was careful to say that Democrats and President Bush share no policy differences on Israel, the Palestinians or Syria. While she won praise from Saudi Arabian leaders for her engagement, she did not impress some Syrian commentators. "There was a feeling this visit had more to do with domestic politics than us. If she isn't going to be very different from Bush, then why did she come?" asked Jihad Yaziji in The Syria Report.
your reaction here..
Pelosi's bonehead antics in Syria should have resulted in her arrest - not impeachment - I mean JAIL!
^^^ ... seems to be an extreme punishment for someone who only wants to have both sides sit down and do some real peace negotiations..
Do you Bush and Cheney think that pretending to send Syria to it's room without supper is going to get them to capitulate?
Iam..How would you solve this Palestinian Israeli quagmire?
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 8:40 PM |
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iam7545
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vinny - calling Damascus the road paved to peace is ignorant - counterproductive and dangerous. The woman is disrespectful to our government. You may not know this vinny but the chinless Dr that rules Syria is responsible for the murder of top Lebanese officials - and as I write - the Syrians have hundreds of thousands of troops mounted on the Lebanese border - Yes vinny - there is a high likelihood that Syria - this mecca of peace as Pelosi thinks - is about to invade Lebanon! Maybe you did not hear about this on CNN!
THis is not about Israel and Palestine - Here is what it is about Vinny. If you have a friend that has a drinking problem - tell him or her! Don't act like they are doing fine! If the leader of a country is supporting terror - murdering other countries leaders and funding groups that are killing our soldiers - TELL THEM - dont act like they are the second coming of Ghandi! And do not carry false messages from other world leaders! SHE IS AN IDIOT! PLAIN AND SIMPLE! She has displayed this foot in mouth disorder since she came to DC - AS I said - most act like she is a retarded cousin and pay no attention to her!
You also may not know that the backlash from Pelosi's visit was an emboldened Government that started locking up anyone that resembled a dissident = including woman that were not dressed properly! It has also led to this possible invasion of Lebanon. WHY? Because she left the impression that the NEW Congress would be nice to this idiot! When will you get the idea that these people are crazy - there is no future treating them like real people. Clinton treated the worst terrorist of the time - Arafat like a world leader - Had him as a guest to the White House more than any other world leader - look where it got us! Infitada! Years of progress down the toilet.
Vinny - how about answering this - WHY HASN'T SHE DELIVERED ON ANY OF HER PROMISES? NOT ONE - ZIP- NADA - not one!
One day liberals like you and Pelosi will get it! I served in Israel and have spent extensive time traveling throughout the Middle EAst - you and Pelosi do not get it- at all - not one little bit!
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