| Jul 10, 2007 @ 5:04 PM |
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MusicMonster
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White House Against Boosting VA Budget
Week of July 09, 2007
Moves in Congress to give the Department of Veterans Affairs as much as $3.8 billion more than the Bush administration proposed has drawn an indirect veto threat from the White House.
"If Congress increases VA funding above the president's request and does not offset this increase with spending reductions in other bills, the president will veto any of the other bills that exceed his request until Congress demonstrates a path to reach the president's top line of $933 billion," the Office of Management and Budget said in a statement.
Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Texas, chairman of the House veterans affairs appropriations subcommittee, said, "This bill is about respect, and honors the promises made to our veterans with historic increases in funding to provide them the health care and benefits they earned when they put on our nation's uniform."
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How do you feel about this? Let your public officials know how you feel!
You can do so HERE if you like. It already knows who they are in case you may not be sure.
On a side note this is FAR from the first time something like this has happened since this war began. This Whitehouse has cut the VA budget a number of times.
How in the world do they expect to maintain an all-volunteer military, if they bail out on their commitments to our own, who are often rendered helpless by their military service to this country? Is appropriate care for our wounded military to be used as a bargaining chip?? "Congress, you can have your Veteran's HealthCare, but only if I get what I want"!!
White House to Veto Increases to the VA!
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-MM 
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 5:36 PM |
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uab_5
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MM,
Did ya honestly expect anything different from Dubya?
He wants to fight the war, but use its by-products, the maimed vets, as collateral against the country. 
Dubya's rank in the ANG was butt nugget first class. That's why he was flying thoses then antiquated F-102A Delta Daggers. He wasn't uh...smart enough to fly F-4 Phantoms. 
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| Jul 10, 2007 @ 9:42 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...I hope the House and Senate pass this bill and when it arrives and is vetoed by Bush, the world will then know the real deal. Run it through again and if they don't want political suicide, a 2/3 vote will happen.
...No, Congress is allowing Bush to dictate from the Executive branch what they will do and that is BS!
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| Jul 11, 2007 @ 8:42 AM |
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kjac
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I agree with SG. Send it through as is, and make Junior veto it. Enough Republicans have turned their back on this administration, that they might be able to pass it without him. I for one know there's no way I could ever vote for a man who would vote for a war but against the VA.
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| Jul 11, 2007 @ 1:01 PM |
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MusicMonster
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I certainly don't expect much from him. But even all things considered, I expect a lot more than this. He's playing chess with the lives and the welfare of those who so unselfishly dedicated their all to him, to us, to the country, and to his ill-conceived cause.
I agree about how it should be handled by Congress, although I'm not very confident it will turn out that way. I think he and his shotgun-wielding sidekick have Congress largely intimidated into a corner. And that's a real shame. Why it's that way, escapes me.
Still, I think this is yet another all-time low.. I don't see how he even gets 29% approval. The man is without a conscience.
-MM
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| Jul 11, 2007 @ 3:17 PM |
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kjac
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Still, I think this is yet another all-time low.. I don't see how he even gets 29% approval. The man is without a conscience.
He gets that from the same right-wing extremists that think he is above reproach and any questioning of him is unpatriotic. The fact that it is that high shows a complete BS effect the party itself has.
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| Jul 11, 2007 @ 3:31 PM |
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onoudn
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Thanks for these links. Great thread  . Bush and Chaney need to go.
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| Jul 12, 2007 @ 11:31 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Badly!!!
Time to start sorting through the rubble they've left behind and to see what from the pre-Buish USA we may be able to salvage.
-MM
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| Jul 13, 2007 @ 5:52 PM |
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eastham
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I agree, let him veto the bill and allow people to see him for who he really is, not the affable dunce but a cold-hearted prick. He's his mother's son.
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| Jul 13, 2007 @ 6:04 PM |
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| Jul 13, 2007 @ 8:26 PM |
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kjac
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And his father's eastham. Please don't forget Bush Senior's views on atheist war veterans. 
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| Jul 16, 2007 @ 5:03 PM |
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MusicMonster
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I agree, let him veto the bill and allow people to see him for who he really is, not the affable dunce but a cold-hearted prick. He's his mother's son.
That would be a good reaction as far as impact, although it wouldn't solve the problem, and I'd love to think that Congress has the fortitude to actually handle it that way. But with people like Harry Reid (I refer to him as Casper Milquetoast) at the forefront as a leader of the effort to oppose this Whitehouse on vital issues, I just don't see it happening. And the jury is still out on Pelosi, as far as effectiveness as a Congressional leader.
Ultimately it will likely be the Vets who suffer greatly from this president's combative and apathetic nature, as they have so often before, and that's just very, very wrong. This kind of scenario isn't publicized nearly enough in the press. So the public tends not to be aware of these things.
-MM
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| Jul 16, 2007 @ 5:53 PM |
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eastham
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The problem is neither Pelosi nor Reid, and it's a bigger problem for Reid, have veto-proof majorities in their houses. We've seen with several of the Iraq votes, Republicans criticizing the president, perhaps even co-sponsoring bills, who turn around and vote for those bills. Even if every Democrat and a handful of Republicans buck the President on the initial vote, going forward with a veto override is very different.
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| Jul 16, 2007 @ 6:15 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...Yes, but unlike in the past, the Internet allows the people to immediately view the accountability of all politians; with intentions of veto override or not. Counting votes before a vote is ludicrous... have them be accountable to the people, not each other.
...If Pelosi has half the convictions she proclaims, she would force the House vote and allow the world to see the true colors of their favorite politician.
...And if I had my way, there would be few, to no abstentions from voting... that is what they are paid to do.
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| Jul 16, 2007 @ 7:46 PM |
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MusicMonster
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I'm referring to the problem being primarily strong, committed leadership in Congress, willing to actually oppose this president in a serious way, and I don't believe we have that. Much of it being lack of leadership with proper conviction. Using 'success through intimidation' Bush has backed them into a corner, altogether too many times. He simply overpowers them. That's why their public opinion ratings are below 20%.
So far this Congress has not proven itself as willing to act in clear opposition to this Whitehouse. Ultimately in some form, they usually give in. Even in the immigration bill scenario, had not America made them very aware of their feelings on that, and had not they felt the threat of an enraged constituency, they very likely would have given up yet again and passed that ludicrous bill, as he insisted. Thankfully, Americans did take charge in that case.
I don't see the problem as being particularly a partisan issue. I believe most of Congress would like to see veterans treated properly. However I do place it squarely on the shoulders of a leader who plays hardball with people's lives, and without any sign of a conscience. And I only hope he is well recognized for this.
-MM
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| Jul 16, 2007 @ 8:12 PM |
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eastham
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Of course there was no sign of conscience...Bush is a sociopath.
Having worked on the Hill for more than a decade, it is a hard road to hoe to veto a president. Look at how difficult it was for the Republicans, who had much larger majorities to override Clinton's vetos, even after the impeachment. To make matters worse, Rove has been making lots of phone calls...these guys will stop at nothing, nor for their first legislative priority and not for their last. It is very scary.
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| Jul 17, 2007 @ 12:06 AM |
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SensualGemini
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East:
these guys will stop at nothing, nor for their first legislative priority and not for their last. It is very scary.
...With the resources available to these people, it is very scary for anyone that realizes their full potential.
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| Jul 17, 2007 @ 7:37 AM |
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eastham
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Well Reid is trying a new tactic in the Senate. Tonight, he will be keeping them in all night until cloture is reached and a vote can be taken on the Iraq war. Reid has said, he may use the tactic again in the future and hopefully for appropriations bills like VA appropriations.
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| Jul 17, 2007 @ 11:58 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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All presidential administrations, both Democratic and Republican alike, have resisted making veteran's benefits as being an entitlement, and rely instead on a fixed dollar appropriation, which always is insufficient for the actual expenditures that are needed.
Who among us feels that funding foreign aid to those who hate us abroad is more important than relieving the suffering of our honorably discharged military veterans?
I wish you well my friends.
The "Utopia-American" viewpoint. Good night and good luck.
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| Jul 17, 2007 @ 4:57 PM |
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SensualGemini
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..That was good para..
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