| Jul 21, 2007 @ 4:45 PM |
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sirmcpuss
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I feel that only Rudy Giuliani has what it takes to be the next president, especially with all the mess that “junior” created all over the world. All the other candidates appear to me as nothing else but stooges.
What do you think ? 
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 4:50 PM |
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Bj864
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I think he is one of the same old same old crowd and there would be no real changes. In fact most of them are. On both sides of the aisle.
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 4:54 PM |
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COWBOYBILLYBOB
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AGREED BJ! THEMS WITH THE MOST GOLD(MONEY) MAKES THE RULES!!
NO MATTER WHO WINS, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
[Edited on 7/21/2007 5:02 PM]
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 5:59 PM |
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SensualGemini
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I feel that only Rudy Giuliani has what it takes to be the next president ...Giuliani, as most politicians, talks out both sides of his mouth. The one I take most exception to, was his making NYC a sanctuary city for Illegal Aliens.
...After losing a Supreme court battle and on Sept. 5, 2001, Giuliana's hand picked people ruled that New York City could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential to preserve trust between immigrants and government.
...6 days later, several over stayed visa holders in NYC were the same terrorists that participated in the most devasting attack on this country and that city, in the history of the U.S.
...There were immediate concerns of liability on all fronts and the Federal government stepped in to limit liability for the government entities, as well as the airlines. The Victim Compensation Fund was then created ... that has now paid out over $38 Billion to said victims, of which about half came from you and I, the taxpayer.
...Personally, I think Giuliana should have died right next to those that he enabled and the 3,011 other victims.
...In conclusion, if Giuliana could not uphold the laws of the land and by his own personal convictions, enabled, allowed this country to be attacked... then why in the hell would anyone want him to lead the Executive branch that is mandated to carry out those same laws for the nation? 
PS: This is a long way from being over and still plenty of time for a nobody to step in and take over the show after this bunch continues their bashing of each other.
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 6:01 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The list of acceptable potential presidential/vice presidential candidates include:
Senator Fred Thompson
Governor Mitt Romney
Senator Elizabeth Dole
Speaker Newt Gingrich
UN Ambassador John Danforth
Mr. Steve Forbes
Rep. Roy Blunt
Mr. Harrison Ford
Dr. Sean Hannity
Lt. Col. Oliver North
Justice Antonin Scalia
Jerry Spence, Esq.
Sheriff Fred Arpio
Mr. John Walsh
and the list goes on, and on, and on.
I wish you well my friends.
The "Utopia-American" viewpoint. Good night and good luck.
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 6:23 PM |
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eastham
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There will not be Republican elected to the White House in 2008. Even the top fundraisers on the Republican side, Romney and Guiliani, are doing only as well as the mid-listers on the Democratic side.
And I think Harrison Ford is contractually obligated to be filming the next Indiana Jones movie.
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 6:36 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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I think Harrison Ford is contractually obligated to be filming the next Indiana Jones movie
Anyone who saw "Air Force One" would place a "write in" vote for Harrison Ford if he only campaigned for thirty days before the 2008 national elections, if in real life his convictions matched those of his movie character president.
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 6:45 PM |
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Nightowl001
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As a convicted felon, were it not for a pardon he received, Ollie North wouldn't even be allowed to vote. He certainly should not be allowed to run for office.
Gingrich? The only sitting Speaker to ever be officially repimanded and fined $300,000 for ethics violations? Another good choice, yeah.
Never mind. Suffice it to say, I would not vote for a single person on your list, Para. And Harrison Ford would have to have a hell of a lot more behind him than one acting job to seem "Presidential" to me. There was precious little about his views or how he would respond to world events in "Air Force One." (Don't get me wrong, I like him as an actor. But I don't know remotely enough about him to vote for him to run the country.)
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 6:55 PM |
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SensualGemini
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NightOwl"
And Harrison Ford would have to have a hell of a lot more behind him than one acting job to seem "Presidential" to me.
...Isn't that about all the "real life" candidates do anyway; act? 
Edit for East:
There will not be Republican elected to the White House in 2008 ...About now, I am ready for an Independent... 
[Edited on 7/21/2007 7:00 PM]
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 6:58 PM |
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eastham
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Last Friday, Gingrich said that it Fred Thompson were to run, he would not. Here's the link:
Fred maybe, Newt maybe not
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 7:00 PM |
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SensualGemini
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East:
Last Friday, Gingrich said that it Fred Thompson were to run, ...I cannot believe it... East made a typo? ... By golly, she is human! 
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 9:53 PM |
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robert1352
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I used to be a democrat and then I switched to the republican party.Now I think both sides will lie and say anything they can to get elected.We need a strong third party!!!
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 10:15 PM |
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kjac
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I agree with robert. The only difference being I was a republican until Bush destroyed the party. I turned democrat for a while, and now all I see running are a bunch of low life liars. Bush ruined any chance of an 09 republican president. But even knowing that, I still don't see the democrats putting forth a sure fire ticket to get my vote. It's a golden opportunity for them. Bush is handing them the White House. The only question is, will they take it?
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| Jul 21, 2007 @ 11:39 PM |
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waterfire
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Screw it, go for Hil,...be fun to see what happens 
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| Jul 22, 2007 @ 12:22 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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As a convicted felon, were it not for a pardon he received, Ollie North wouldn't even be allowed to vote. He certainly should not be allowed to run for office.
Actually it was my impression that the appeals courts overturned Ollie North's felony conviction for Obstruction of Congress, on the grounds that the Congressional immunity granted to Ollie in order to obtain his testimony was absolute and that his civil rights were violated when an overzealous federal prosecutor wrongfully brought an indictment and unlawfully ignored the Congressional immunity that had been granted (it has now been upheld upon appeal that the prosecution and conviction of Lt. Colonel Oliver North was a "Duke LaCross Team" type of political persecution prosecution) which is why Oliver North was later free to seek election as a United States Senator from Virginia.
I remember how the Liberals also tried to nail Newt Gingrich for violating the IRS Section 501 (c )(3) prohibitions against political activity for his tax-exempt educational foundation. However, after being ruthlessly audited, and after the LEFTIST LEANING POLITICAL DISINFORMATIN AND POLITICAL PROPAGANDA COMPLEX had fully grandstanded the "scandal" of his IRS audit, Newt was totally cleared and given a clean bill of health.
So if Hillary can run for President and twice refuse to declare her board membership status on her U.S. Senate "conflict of interest" financial disclosure annual reports, for which there is a U.S. Senate Ethics Committee complaint now pending, I think that anything that Newt did to incur a fine might be likewise equivalent.
So in my book, Newt or Ollie are both vice presidential timber. So a Fred and Newt ticket sounds pretty good to me.
I wish you well my friends.
The "Utopia-American" viewpoint. Good night and good luck.
[Edited on 7/22/2007 12:31 AM]
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| Jul 22, 2007 @ 12:35 AM |
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kjac
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As an ex-military man, I never agreed with the whole Oliver North thing. Insert bashing here, but he got the shaft. A soldier obeys his comanding officer, period. Whether you agree with the order or not, that's how the military works. If a soldier can disobey an order simply because he doesn't agree, the entire chain of command breaks down. The military defends democracy, it doesn't practice it. A soldier knows this going in.
I did a lot of things I didn't agree with while serving my country, some of which I knew were the wrong thing to do. And given the chance, I would follow those same orders the exact same way. That's how the military works. That was one of the few Presidential Pardons that was not only deserved, but necessary.
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| Jul 22, 2007 @ 9:44 AM |
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Nightowl001
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Kjac, I respectfully disagree with you on this one. I was not in the military and I do not know the appropriate sections of the Military Code of Justice (or if that is even the correct reference) to cite here, but it is relatively common knowledge that no one, but especially an officer, is to obey an Illegal order. Colonel North was the man who Proposed the deal whereby arms would be sold illegally to Iran, and those monies made available to Nicaraguan rebels. The later shredding of documents to attempt to cover up the initial illegal activities may or may not have been directly ordered, but clearly proved he was aware that he was earlier committing illegal acts. He was actually convicted of shredding documents to conceal information, obstruction of Congress (regarding the investigation) and accepting an illegal gratuity (a home alarm system was installed free of charge).
His convictions were overturned due to procedural questions surrounding whether or not his immunity grant to entice his testimony regarding the illegal sales of arms actually applied to all his testimony. (The Congressional prosecutor's argument being that the immunity only covered his testimony regarding his actual role in the sales of arms, not the subsequent cover up.)
But when I saw Oliver North stand up, this man who had claimed to be following orders from the Executive office, and claim that Bill Clinton may have been elected by the people but "He's not MY Commander in Chief!" made me realize he doesn't really believe in the military code, except when it suits him. I do not think Mr. North is an honourable man, and would NEVER vote for him. (Though since his convictions were overturned on appeal I probably should stop calling him a convicted felon; I'll give you that much.)
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| Jul 22, 2007 @ 9:52 AM |
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eastham
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Apologizing for my typo!!!!!!! 
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| Jul 22, 2007 @ 3:02 PM |
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SensualGemini
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East...  ... I was teasing, because you often jump on my own. I may have to switch over to Firefox, but even that will not correct my hurried grammar.
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| Jul 22, 2007 @ 4:38 PM |
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kjac
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I never accused him of having honor nightowl. I simply stated that in this instance, he was unjustly hounded. And if you honestly believe a Colonel has the authority to arrange arms deals, you truly don't know how the military works. Something like that would have to come from a lot higher than a Colonel. You'd need some stars on your shoulder to approve arms shipments.
Was he aware it was illegal, yes of course. But a soldier doesn't question his commanding officers, especially when those officers have stars. What bothers me about the whole thing is that Oliver was used as a patsy when the buck stopped with him. The man who followed the orders was convicted, the man who gave the orders walks. That's the very definition of injustice.
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