| Jul 25, 2007 @ 8:34 AM |
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LanceVarden
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Another Republican jumped ship the other day over the Iraq war. My question is not why are some jumping ship, I have to wonder why any are staying with him.
For pete's sake!!!
When he lost both houses of congress over the Iraq war, the people spoke in a resounding voice. What does he do? He ramps up the war to spite us. I used to despise Clinton for liying about getting a BJ. WOW!!!! bring back yesterday when that was something to get excited over.
Here's the thing.
I don't blame him for going in initially. I am embarrassed to admit it, but I supported the idea back then. Well , you know what? I WAS WRONG!!!! And I am big enough to admit.
I figure there are two basic fundamental differences.
1. GWB is NOT big enough to admit he was wrong.
2. He is willing to keep spending tons of money and shedding US blood to keep from admitting it.
Damn it. They don't want us there. We don't want to be there. Very simple.
How many lives and billions of $$$$ have to be lost on the count of the pride of one arrogant simpleton living at 1600 Pennsylvania Drive?
Nov - 2008 can't come soon enough for me.
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| Jul 25, 2007 @ 8:39 AM |
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kjac
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Like I've said before. Why is it we can manage to hold a man accountable for screwing an intern, but can't hold a man accountable for screwing an entire country?
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| Jul 25, 2007 @ 9:25 AM |
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Loreli
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 to both of you men.
My Mom and I talked about this very thing.
She said Clinton didn't show good leadership when he cheated on his wife.
I said probably every one of them did that, but only a few got caught (i.e. Jefferson)
however, since this war, my mother has changed her mind. That is odd for a person raised in a staunchly Republican home.
I understand a "war on terrorism"- keep them out of our country. But, if the troops are over there, how protective of ourselves are we truly being?
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| Jul 25, 2007 @ 10:09 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Hang on guys, it's gonna get worse. Yes, when we finally DO pull out, it's gonna get worse. And what's worse yet is that the longer we stay, the worse it will be. The Iraqis need to establish some sort of balance of power, and they can't as long as we're there affecting that very balance. It's going to be a bloodbath, whatever happens, and the final outcome may well make Saddam look like a choir boy.
We all know that nobody can change us but ourselves, right? Hopefully this will remind us that the same thing's true for countries. If they want democracy, they'll have to choose it for themselves and fight for it themselves. Meanwhile we've compromised our own security and are continuing to do so by throwing trillions of dollars, not to mention thousands of lives, into something that never should have been allowed to happen.
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| Jul 25, 2007 @ 11:50 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The book, Art of War, describes instances where an Emperor should not "hobble" his generals.
There is a moral to be learned here about that.
War is umpleasant and the only thing worse about being in an unpopular war is to LOSE any war.
The anti-war efforts appear to be a childish pout about how we got there and lack focus on how to return with honor thorugh the unconditional surrender of our vanquished foes.
Nothing else makes sense.
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| Jul 25, 2007 @ 12:11 PM |
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MusicMonster
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I believe there are only two reasonable options.
Crank it way up and get it over with, albeit at considerable cost.
~or~
Crank it way down and start looking for the door.
This strategic concept of sitting around waiting till they shoot at us first, while pretending to be primarily advisors and trainers, simply doesn't work.
We never should have been there in the first place, and got involved for all the wrong reasons. But that said, we are there and we still have to deal with reality.
This scenario is resembling Viet Nam more every day. After Viet Nam I was hoping we had learned a substantial lesson about how to conduct international warfare, when absolutely necessary. But it sure doesn't appear that way.
-MM 
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| Jul 25, 2007 @ 12:27 PM |
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waterfire
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Like I've said before. Why is it we can manage to hold a man accountable for screwing an intern, but can't hold a man accountable for screwing an entire country?
Well said Kjac
The Iraqis need to establish some sort of balance of power, and they can't as long as we're there affecting that very balance. It's going to be a bloodbath, whatever happens, and the final outcome may well make Saddam look like a choir boy.
I agree, it scares me to think what is going to happen after we leave, It feels like we are abandoning these people after we made this mess....oops sorry about breaking that mirror, don't cut yourself cleaning it up.
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| Jul 25, 2007 @ 1:35 PM |
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uab_5
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How can you tell the difference between a fool and a wise man? You can hear the fool.
Is that why Dubya is on TV so much?
He's got zero concept of what America and the Rest of the World needs.
Gunboat diplomacy is only good for so long. Dubya is not "speaking softly anf carrying a big stick".
He's running around with an M-16 and yelling like a madman.
Congress needs to stop him soon.
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| Jul 25, 2007 @ 3:25 PM |
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Heaveninawildflower
Posts: 15,203
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The anti-war efforts appear to be a childish pout about how we got there and lack focus on how to return with honor thorugh the unconditional surrender of our vanquished foes.
Well, would you please enlighten me as to exactly whom the foes we are to vanquish are? The Kurds, the Sunnis, the Shiites? And what honor is there in what we're doing right now?
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| Jul 25, 2007 @ 10:03 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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it scares me to think what is going to happen after we leave
I don't believe we should arbitrarily leave Iraq ever. The timetable to be set for leaving Iraq should be the number of years that the American military has been in Japan and Germany after World War II plus three years after the last act of insurgent terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan.
The generation of Japanese and Germans today never lived under the regimes of the Axis powers and have grown up in a world where rock and roll, blue jeans, and the modern world prevail. This is my goal also for Iraq.
The Children of Israel wandered in the wilderness for 40 years under the leadership of Moses, until the generation of Egyptian slaves had died away and were replaced by a generation of free people who were a new nation. This is the way to pacify Iraq; to by longevity empower the youth of Iraq to grow up and be the first generation of Iraqis to not know Islamic Jihad or Baathist predations.
Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. The anti-war claque thinks if we withdraw from confronting militant Islam, all will be well; it will not. They will continue to plot murder and terrorism until it comes to your town and explodes in your shopping mall. There is only one intelligent alternative, and that is either total eradication of the enemy, or the unconditional surrender of the enemy.
Wars of "containment" like Korea and Viet Nam never succeed. The Japanese never intended to occupy the White House and never did. Nothing succeeds like success. Withdrawl without victory is defeat.
I wish you well my friends.
The "Utopia-American" viewpoint. Good night and good luck.
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| Oct 4, 2007 @ 9:53 PM |
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HopesNDreams56
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 I agree with you Lance!!! Enough is enough!!!! I lost my GodSon,in the 2004 Messhall suicide bombing,in Mosal,
and he was from Ft.Lewis.We caught Sadam,gave the Iraqi people the right to gather in a democratic Vote.Some say that there were no WMD'S.Yet i don't care what folks say!!! there is an outright Civil War, in the Middle East,and more and more of our
troops are dying,or being renderd crippled.I supported my Godson,but i did not agree with the outcome.I was under the impression, that Bush said, back in 2005, that there would be no chance of any attacks on Iranian territory,but a diplomatic action? WHATS UP!!!! Is he still getting
trigger happy,for more violence.Iagree with you!!! 2008 needs to hurry!!!!!  [B]
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| Oct 4, 2007 @ 10:49 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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...."Hang on guys, it's gonna get worse. Yes, when we finally DO pull out, it's gonna get worse. And what's worse yet is that the longer we stay, the worse it will be. The Iraqis need to establish some sort of balance of power, and they can't as long as we're there affecting that very balance. It's going to be a bloodbath, whatever happens, and the final outcome may well make Saddam look like a choir boy.
We all know that nobody can change us but ourselves, right? Hopefully this will remind us that the same thing's true for countries. If they want democracy, they'll have to choose it for themselves and fight for it themselves. Meanwhile we've compromised our own security and are continuing to do so by throwing trillions of dollars, not to mention thousands of lives, into something that never should have been allowed to happen."...Heaveninawildflower....said this........
It read so well and sounded so good....it needed to be said again!! Thank You...lefthandedluckie!!
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| Oct 6, 2007 @ 1:11 PM |
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jaybird777
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Yes, when we finally DO pull out, it's gonna get worse. And what's worse yet is that the longer we stay, the worse it will be.
Right on!!!! That says it all right there.
Even Pairalegals outter be able ta graps that.
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| Oct 10, 2007 @ 4:43 AM |
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thegoodideaman
Posts: 1,915
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The book, Art of War, describes instances where an Emperor should not "hobble" his generals.
now I finely understand why or views are so different...
you live in an Empire, subjugated to a god like figure...
where as I live in a Democracy,
supposedly accountable to the will of the people...
Even Pairalegals outter be able ta graps that.
yer one of them Dad-Gummed Optimist, ain't ya...
lol, just kidding, carry on everyone... 
[Edited on 10/10/2007 4:50 AM]
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| Oct 10, 2007 @ 6:19 AM |
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twotall911
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its in the process of getting worse now better check your new neighbor when you go outside
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| Oct 10, 2007 @ 6:56 AM |
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budo13
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Sorry Goodie we do not live in a democracy we live in a representative republic if we truly lived in a democracy our politicians would not be out of control as they are now.both parties are leading us down the road of ruin
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| Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:23 AM |
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Bj864
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we do not live in a democracy we live in a representative republic if we truly lived in a democracy our politicians would not be out of control as they are now.both parties are leading us down the road of ruin
I agree with this 95%.
There are still a few representatives that are trying to do the right thing. They are the ones that are not bought and paid for by the corporations, that are running the government.
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| Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:26 AM |
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youaremissed
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we do not live in a democracy we live in a representative republic if we truly lived in a democracy our politicians would not be out of control as they are now.both parties are leading us down the road of ruin Budo
I agree with this 95%. BJ
There are still a few representatives that are trying to do the right thing. They are the ones that are not bought and paid for by the corporations, that are running the government.
Truer words have never been spoken 
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