| Jul 30, 2007 @ 8:02 AM |
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eastham
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One week is apparently all Alberto Gonzales has to "clear up" his statements before the Senate Judiciary Committee or risk perjury charges. Four Senators -- Schumer, Feinstein, Feingold and Whitehouse -- have already asked the Solicitor General to name an independent special counsel.
What is at the heart of the matter were recent sworn statement made to the Senate Judiciary Committee. These statements were concerning the warrantless wiretapping program. Following Gonzales' appearance before the Senate, FBI Director Mueller and former Intelligence Czar, John Negroponte, made statements in direct contradiction of Gonzales. Mueller and Negroponte's positions were further backed up by the publication of documentary evidence by the Associated Press.
This weekend, Fox News was at a loss to find any Republican, from the White House or Congress, willing to speak in support of Gonzales. In fact, quite the opposite was true.
At the heart of this lies hubris. Alberto Gonzales should have stepped down months ago. If he had, perhaps Congress would have lost interest in his story and moved onto the next scandal, but the powers that be want what they want when they want it and this emotional immaturity will cost them in the end.
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| Jul 30, 2007 @ 9:32 AM |
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kjac
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Perjury charges are meaningless. Even if it leads to a conviction, he will simply be pardoned.
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| Jul 30, 2007 @ 9:54 AM |
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uab_5
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Even if it leads to a conviction, he will simply be pardoned.
A la Scooter Libby?
The whole admin is corrupt. It's croniism at it's finest.
All Slick Willy did was be ashamed he had a fat chick and he got impeached. Dubya and his clan are lying to the American public everytime they speak and not doing a good job at it. 
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| Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:26 PM |
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Nightowl001
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There was a blog in the last couple of days slamming President Carter for saying that the second Bush administration is the worst administration in history. I notice none of those people come over here and asnwer Charges against this adminsitration. Bush told his people they did not have to comply with a Congressional investigation!?! He steadfastly backs a man who it now looks like is going to be charged with perjury WHILE he is the Attorney General.
History will write the stories of these men. Bush will have to answer eventually, though I doubt in this lifetime. I try to keep vindictiveness and hateful wishes out of my mind, but it's hard to do in this case for me. It's hard not to hope he gets everything I think he deserves. I hope Gonzales is the second domino and that once started, this will reach the conclusion all logical people think it should. (Last word edited to "should" from "will," since most logical people also have reached the conclusion it won't.)
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| Jul 30, 2007 @ 4:52 PM |
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MusicMonster
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It's true unfortunately that the stage has been set now for Gonzales to receive a full pardon, assuming conviction. We've now crossed the line of propriety, and He won't spend a day behind bars.
That's what massive corruption leads to, cronyism without the slightest remorse.
Being a bit idealistic about America, and the original intent for this democracy, (remember that?), it's very hard to believe all this "thuggery" is still going on at top levels of the Fed, and that not very much is being done to curtail it.
Astonishing too that 28% or so, (that's over 1 in 4 citizens), still actually approve of what's going on. .
Wake up America!!
-MM 
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| Jul 31, 2007 @ 8:13 AM |
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eastham
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Cripes, Nixon didn't pardon Halderman, Ehrlichman and Mitchell, but I wouldn't put this pardon past Bush!
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| Jul 31, 2007 @ 8:33 AM |
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Maguirerig
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And, just WHO has Bush pardoned? I would suggest that people that are foaming at the mouth about this go back and look at the list of pardons of quality individuals Blowjob Bill pardoned during his tenure. Especially his last three months.
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| Jul 31, 2007 @ 8:50 AM |
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uab_5
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The question should be, who will pardon Dubya?
BTW I forgot is the Whitewater woman still in jail or did she get pardoned?
Commuting Libby's sentence was effectively a pardon. He just can't vote or own a gun...no biggie, but with his political connections he ought to have no problems finding meaningful work.
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| Aug 1, 2007 @ 2:24 AM |
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Nightowl001
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And, just WHO has Bush pardoned? I would suggest that people that are foaming at the mouth about this go back and look at the list of pardons of quality individuals Blowjob Bill pardoned during his tenure. Especially his last three months.
Did it ever occur to you that some people think BOTH of them are wrong? Arguing that "my dirtbag isn't as bad as your dirtbag" doesn't make either of them quality individuals.
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| Aug 1, 2007 @ 8:14 AM |
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kjac
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And 6 years in, the "But Clinton..." defense still holds absolutely no water. Think maybe it's time to find another motto?
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| Aug 1, 2007 @ 11:31 AM |
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Maguirerig
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Did it ever occur to you that some people think BOTH of them are wrong? Arguing that "my dirtbag isn't as bad as your dirtbag" doesn't make either of them quality individuals.
And 6 years in, the "But Clinton..." defense still holds absolutely no water. Think maybe it's time to find another motto?
Nope. It has nothing to really to do with Clinton directly, but as an excellent example of political bias on the part of those that are bitching and whining. If it is the politico they support, no problem, it is correct and proper, nothing said. If it is the other guy, its criminal and should not be allowed. Raise hell, bitch and complain. Time for the commucrats to drop it. By their own records, they are far the worst offenders.
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| Aug 1, 2007 @ 12:23 PM |
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Loreli
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It has nothing to really to do with Clinton directly, but as an excellent example of political bias on the part of those that are bitching and whining. If it is the politico they support, no problem, it is correct and proper, nothing said. If it is the other guy, its criminal and should not be allowed. Raise hell, bitch and complain.
They are ALL like that.
Why is Clinton worse?
Everybody in America should raise hell-by way of their vote. None of the candidates ends up being exactly as they promised.
One week? I say haul him in now and get his statement. Get his backup docs after.
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| Aug 1, 2007 @ 3:37 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Well, there's no doubt Clinton did some marginal things, at best, while in office. But he is anything but a George Bush!! They don't even belong in the same Ball Park.
Bush has trampled all over just about everything this country and it's leaders once stood for. Freedom, privacy, free will, honesty, the laws of the land, respect for your fellow man. He's made a mockery of being in what was once a highly revered, honorable position.
And unfortunately he has probably set a precedent for what we can expect more of from our leaders in the future, since many of those lines have never been crossed before.
-MM
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