| Aug 21, 2007 @ 7:30 PM |
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dave_sublime
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have you guys heard about this ron paul guy? just read a little about him. seems to have some good ideas. they say he doesnt take money from lobbyist of special intrest, anybody know more
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| Aug 21, 2007 @ 8:02 PM |
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eastham
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Paid a visit to opensecrets.org, which provides info on campaign contributions and spending.
While Ron Paul may not be taking PAC money (he may be unable to raise it vis-a-vis the other Republican candidates), he has taken their $ in the past.
In 2000: 25.7% of Paul's contributions came from big money individuals (the last year this statistic is kept) and 4.5% from PACs. Of that amount, 52.6% of the PAC contributions were from big business groups and 47.4% were from single issue/conservative ideological groups. Paul won with 60% of the vote (any win over 55% is not considered competitive and candidates usually are not forced to go out and raise lots of money. Total raised: $2.4m total spent $2.3.
In 2002: 2% of contributions came from PACs with 49.4% from business and 47.2% from single issue. Margin of win, 68%. $1.5 raised, $1.3m spent.
In 2004: 6% from PACs. 77.6% from business, 22.4% from single issue/ideological. Paul had no competitor in this race, but spent $225,000 more than the cash he raised.
In 2006, back to 2%, with 74.3% from big business and 22.8% from single issue. He did have opponents this time, a Democrat and another Republican. He raised $1.5 million and was $10K in debt at the end of the raise.
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| Aug 21, 2007 @ 9:15 PM |
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DoorWatcher
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Like I thought....who cares????
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| Aug 23, 2007 @ 9:42 PM |
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Designingwoman
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RuPaul 
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| Aug 24, 2007 @ 7:15 AM |
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womenrulemyworld
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Well, if you are going to call him derogatory names DW, even just for laughs, what if someone were to start calling you're favorite guy Barack Obama, Barack Osama? And that was just for laughs too? How would you like them apples?  
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| Aug 24, 2007 @ 9:33 PM |
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Designingwoman
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I was making fun of his name, not him.
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| Aug 26, 2007 @ 11:19 PM |
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SensualGemini
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womenrule:
Well, if you are going to call him derogatory names DW, even just for laughs, what if someone were to start calling you're favorite guy Barack Obama, Barack Osama?
...I am astonished at your attack on Designingwoman! ... at least you could have the courtesy of spelling his name correctly. 
Barack Hussein Osama
...Now, does anyone know about this Ron Paul? ... GentleGiant should have some info OP.
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 12:17 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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who is Ron Paul
Kinda made me think of 'who is John Galt?'
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 12:22 AM |
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SensualGemini
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Heaven:
Kinda made me think of 'who is John Galt?'
...was that a shamless plug? 
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 12:29 AM |
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Heaveninawildflower
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Or else some masterful PR...I'm still not entirely sold on anyone though...
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 12:43 AM |
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youaremissed
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HE has a webpage...He lost me on his anti abortion stance and several other issues..
www.ronpaul2008.com/ .
Heres another good link to all of the candidates lies ummm I mean issues...
www.vote-smart.org/election_president.php?dist=bio.php
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 3:43 AM |
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Gentlegiant127
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Well, I do know some things about Ron Paul, but I am definitely no expert on him. I wish I could do a short interview with him to get some clarifications from him on certain things. Guess I'd have to go to some kind of Ron Paul event for that to even have a chance of happening. He is an interesting and very different candidate than what most people are used to. I like the fact that he wants to get rid of NAFTA, CAFTA, stop FTAA, a return to hard currency instead of fiat money backed by nothing, and prevent a North American Union from forming and that he takes a strong stance in opposing illegal immigration and amnesty and returning the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment to its original intent. We could do worse for our choice for president. I don't agree with him on everything, but I agree with enough things to support him and vote for him because I think his positions are better than any of the current crop of democrats who are running.
I do worry though that if he gets too much support, he might be taken out in some underhanded way, even assassinated because of all the major changes he wants to make.  I can imagine that globalists and backers of a North American Union, the Council on Foreign Relations(CFR), The Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers might like him to "have an unfortunate accident" somehow. 
Since he does not neatly fit into republican or democrat mold and he also does not fit into a traditional libertarian mold either because of his views on immigration(he takes a much tougher stance on it than traditional libertarians do since traditional libertarians are basically for unlimited immigration) and some other things. Many democrats, republicans and libertarians don't know what to make of him, or understand where he is coming from. I know alot of people are concerned about who his vp pick would be, since it would be difficult to find a candidate who shares all his views and that picking a vp who disagrees with him on certain key issues could cause him to lose support.
On abortion, I know he's said he is for states rights, in other words letting each state decide what their laws on abortion are, whether its legal or illegal. Some pro-choice people have expressed concern that he'd make abortion illegal in the entire U.S., but I doubt all states would rule that way, and a number of them would choose to keep it legal like it is now.
Also, some of his positions and votes are difficult to understand. For instance he voted against federal funding for presidential medal of freedom medals, no matter who is the one to recieve it. His detractors often will single something out, like how he voted against a presidential medal of freedom for Rosa Parks. What those detractors don't mention is that he voted against all presidential medals of freedom because they were to use federal funds, and he believes they should be made using non-federal funds(he believes in cutting federal spending on many things). He offered to pay money out of his own pocket to pay for a presidential medal of freedom for Rosa Parks, but was never taken up on it. No one else in congress offered to pay money out of their own pocket(so that federal funds could be saved for other purposes) when Ron Paul asked his colleagues in the House. So, there are many votes like this in the house of representatives, that with a casual glance, it looks like he voted the wrong way. But when you dig deeper and discover the reasons why he voted the way he did, it usually makes sense and is not as bad as it looks at first glance.
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 4:25 AM |
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SensualGemini
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...Thanks GG... I knew you were the man that would know the most about Ron Paul... 
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 9:44 AM |
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steveemac
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In 2004: 6% from PACs. 77.6% from business, 22.4% from single issue/ideological. Paul had no competitor in this race, but spent $225,000 more than the cash he raised.
In 2006, back to 2%, with 74.3% from big business and 22.8% from single issue. He did have opponents this time, a Democrat and another Republican. He raised $1.5 million and was $10K in debt at the end of the raise.
Just what we need: another Republican that spends money which isn't there!
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 12:15 PM |
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SensualGemini
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...I am guessing Ron Paul paid the balance out of his own pocket. Dang, isn't that a novel? Thinks that concept will catch on with the Dems?
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 12:54 PM |
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eastham
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SG, they rarely pay out of their own pocket. He probably had a fundraiser in the following cycle to pay off his campaign debt.
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 5:22 PM |
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steveemac
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...I am guessing Ron Paul paid the balance out of his own pocket. Dang, isn't that a novel? Thinks that concept will catch on with the Dems?
(Eastham, correct me if I'm wrong) Every GOP president since Nixon has approved budgets that spend more than is taken in; while during at least part of the Clinton years, the books were balanced...Catch on with the Democrats? I'd like such concepts to catch on with the Republicans...and if Ron Paul makes a promise to pay any deficits on budgets he approves out of his own pockets, I'll consider voting for him.
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 8:37 PM |
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Gentlegiant127
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Well Steve,
No candidate is perfect, and Ron Paul isn't either. People can find things wrong with just about any candidate that ever existed in the history of this country.
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 10:21 PM |
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SensualGemini
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East:
SG, they rarely pay out of their own pocket.
...Oh how quickly we forget Ross Perot and his personal funding of his own political campaign.
Steeve:
Every GOP president since Nixon has approved budgets that spend more than is taken in; while during at least part of the Clinton years, the books were balanced...Catch on with the Democrats? I'd like such concepts to catch on with the Republicans...and if Ron Paul makes a promise to pay any deficits on budgets he approves out of his own pockets, I'll consider voting for him.
...From campaign deficit to national deficit? .... what are you smoking now Steevee? Alright, Clinton came into office with a budget that was not too far off; the prior wars were almost paid for, etc. Meantime, he gave away our national security to the Chinese, that now the Russians have... 20 years of military technology that cause $Trillions to be spent to play catch up.
...Clinton left with a balanced budget based on theory of a perfect world, yet still a huge deficit.
...I have no idea when the last time this country was not in debt...
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| Aug 27, 2007 @ 10:49 PM |
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youaremissed
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The president was not able to deliver a Democratic majority back to Congress, but he developed a deft touch at leading a divided government. In 1997 Congress enacted a major tax cut, the first since 1981, and Clinton negotiated a deficit-reduction package that projected a balanced federal budget in 2002. He also had success with a number of targeted domestic programs on education, health, and the environment; won an increase in the minimum wage; and sponsored a welfare reform bill that established time limits for benefits. He claimed credit for the general health of the economy, for a 30-year low in unemployment, and for the fastest real-wage growth in 20 years. The 1998 fiscal year ended with a federal budget surplus of $70 billion, the first surplus in a generation.
http://ap.grolier.com/article?assetid=0097755-00
[Edited on 8/27/2007 11:06 PM]
[Edited on 8/27/2007 11:07 PM]
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