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MotownManiax
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| Feb 20 @ 8:36 PM |
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Say_Yes
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Here is the thing. The civil rights movement and the are Christian faith inseparable. Without Christians there would have been no movement.
I disagree. While Dr. King and the black southern churches were a major factor in the civil rights movement, they were far from the only voice, nor were they the only religious voice. Malcom X was a major player in the movement, prior to his murder and he was not a christian. The Civil Rights Act of 1957 was written by a Jewish Congressman, Emanuel Celler. The Voting Rights Act of 1965, was largely written by another Jew, assistant attorney general Norbert A. Schlei. Add to that the rulings of the various courts, where many of the judges were not christian and you can see that while the battle for civil rights was waged by christians, it was waged by many non-christians as well.
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| Feb 20 @ 8:44 PM |
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MotownManiax
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 Good post, Yes!
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| Feb 20 @ 8:48 PM |
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blueyes101
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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
So are we supposed to take the color of his skin into consideration? Or not? 
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| Feb 20 @ 9:01 PM |
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pamdemonium
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Do you think all the ethnic people who never cared a bit about elections will be taking his color into consideration when they actually vote in this election?
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| Feb 20 @ 9:07 PM |
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iam7545
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Pam - I posted this before -
In the history of the USA there have been 5 Black Senators - 2 of these were elected BEFORE 1900 - the other three including Obama after 1970.
In the HISTORY of the USA there have been two - that is TWO Black Governors.
SO if a black has such a difficult time getting elected to a statewide position - then do YOU think that Obama can get elected?
It is sad but true. I hope he wins. But I am doubtful.
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| Feb 20 @ 9:35 PM |
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nah12
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IMO I think people are voting for him because he is black by the black community, by the youth because of his speeches of change, by whites because they are voting against the Clintons
another thing is most are so impressed by his speeches....the thing is his speeches just like all the other candidates are written by someone else.......that always amazes me when people are impressed by a speech....non of them write those words and all they do every waken minute is get that stuff pound in them to say this and to Not say this ever......he just got a dang good speech writer....yes he can deliver it, but that is only 1/2 of the equation…..
i think they are ready for anyone that will tell them what they want to hear...now can he or anyone else deliver that......NO....it's nothing but political rhetoric as usual
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| Feb 20 @ 9:57 PM |
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onoudn
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I agree and I disagree that people are voting for Obama based on his race. I'm not voting for him unless he is the Democratic nominee. And I'm African-American btw. But I have heard friends and relatives say that they are voting for him because "they want to live to see a black President". I know that there are lot of people voting more against Hillary Clinton than for Obama, as well. So I agree with that. After all, Bill Clinton got impeached for not telling the truth about having sex with an intern. A lot of Democrats don't want him back in the White House for that as well as a host of other reasons....Whitewater...springs to mind as an example.
Hispanics seem to be voting for Clinton and the media is claiming its based on race. But I don't know about that.
Add to that the rulings of the various courts, where many of the judges were not christian and you can see that while the battle for civil rights was waged by christians, it was waged by many non-christians as well.
I wonder if we can at least agree that Christian were a part of the movement long before there was a Malcoml X or legislation to pass one way or the other ? It was Christians that organized the underground railroad for instance. But you are correct there were a lot of other people involed other than Christians.
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| Feb 21 @ 6:16 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Mo said, and I quote:
Is America ready for a Black President?
Considering what a melting pot America has always been, we should be ready not only for a Black president, but a woman, or an Asian-American, or Jewish-American....you name it.
It's really about time, dontcha think? Mo
It certainly is..
The only sad part about it is all the "stuff" that gets thrown into the picture merely because of race and gender, and the fact that many are voting for the wrong reasons, be it pro or con. Ideally of course, it should be about leadership, solutions to the problems, and the ability to run the country, without race or gender as a factor in any way. And ideally that's what people would be voting on. But unfortunately I guess that's pure dreamland and could never be the reality.
-MM 
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| Feb 21 @ 12:22 PM |
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kattsmeow
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another thing is most are so impressed by his speeches....the thing is his speeches just like all the other candidates are written by someone else.......that always amazes me when people are impressed by a speech....non of them write those words and all they do every waken minute is get that stuff pound in them to say this and to Not say this ever......he just got a dang good speech writer....yes he can deliver it, but that is only 1/2 of the equation…..
So, who do you think writes his speeches? Lol, I believe it is a person that used to write for JFK.
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| Feb 21 @ 12:29 PM |
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kjac
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If not for the extremely crooked and felonious actions by the Ohio Republican Party, we might have a black Governor today. His loss had a lot less to do with his skin color than it did the felonies being racked up by the Ohio GOP at the time.
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| Feb 21 @ 12:39 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bradley_%28politician%29Thomas J. "Tom" Bradley (December 29, 1917 – September 29, 1998) was the mayor of Los Angeles, California from 1973 to 1993 (five terms) and only the second African American mayor of a major U.S. city. The first was Carl Stokes of Cleveland, Ohio, who was elected in 1967. He was the son of Lee and Crenner Bradley. He unsuccessfully ran for Governor of California in 1982 and 1986. The racial dynamics that appeared to underly Bradley's narrow and unexpected loss in 1982 gave rise to the term "the Bradley effect".
my point here is.. that Los Angeles was larger than about 10 states population wise at the time.. and he was elected for 5 terms...
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| Feb 21 @ 12:58 PM |
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iam7545
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GH - think for a minute.
It has nothing to do with size. Most cities have a large Black population thus there have been many Black Mayors. There have been many Black Congressmen because there are Congressional Districts that are primarily Black.
Your example of California highlights the exact situation that most States have. Cities that have large Black populations that are in states with a diverse population and therefore rarely elect a Black Senator or Governor - both statewide elections.
Had you read your entire cut and paste from wiki you would have learned that the "Bradley effect" is used to refer to what happens when pre election polling show a black ahead and then actual votes for the Black candidate are much lower and he or she loses.
It does not refer to the fact that the black lost.
The theory is that once in the voting booth people will not pull the lever for the Black candidate.
BTW - the first two Black Senators ever elected were before 1900 - in Mississippi! Figure that one out.
[Edited on 2/21/2008 12:58 PM]
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| Feb 21 @ 12:58 PM |
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nah12
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Katt , it has been reported that Ted Sorensen has twisted a phrase or two for him.....but of course no one knows for sure... 
Sorensen did help JFK with his 1961 inaugural address with the famous words "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."
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| Feb 21 @ 2:42 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Nah, is it just me or do people seem to think these candidates are writing their own speeches, and running their own campain? It is amazing to me!
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| Feb 21 @ 2:56 PM |
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nah12
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No Katt it is not just you....i learned a long time ago people will believe anything to justify their wants and needs.....
IMO people want politics to be different and they are willing to believe anyone that will tell them what they want to hear....and no it doesn’t even have to be believable either....it's sort of like when someone is drowning they will grab anything in reach to try to get a breath of air on the surface....you can see it in all walks of life.....
desperation will do funny things to an other wise intelligent human being….
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| Feb 21 @ 3:16 PM |
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kattsmeow
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Sigh,,, 
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| Feb 21 @ 3:18 PM |
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iam7545
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katts - some people thought the Monkeys were really singing on their show!
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| Feb 21 @ 5:54 PM |
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kattsmeow
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 Oh no, don't tell me!!! ~~putting hands over her ears yelling, la,la,la, ~~
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| Feb 21 @ 7:22 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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It has nothing to do with size. Most cities have a large Black population thus there have been many Black Mayors.
Iam.. In Los angeles, the "black population" in the bradley years was not a majority..he really was the best man for the job..
and the fact is that the budget and problems for Los Angeles then was also bigger than many states... (even more so today...) which was why I stated the size comment..
I reread your post several times..and have the nagging thought .. that shortly ..you will be stating that Mr Obama is not qualified to become the President (in your opinion..)
Is this going to be the mantra of the republican party shortly too?
( and yes...this is a loaded question..so be very careful in your reply..  .)
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