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onoudn
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No I don't recall the story of Lani Guaneiri. I do remember the Thomas hearings. But you know Clarence Thomas is pretty much of an embarassment in some african american circles. He got to where he is because of afirmative action but now he's against it. Bush choose him because he knew it would put the Democrats in a akward position if they opposed him. BTW Jesse Jackson is on the Democrats for ignoring the black vote. So I guess he agrees with you.
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| Nov 28, 2007 @ 8:54 PM |
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iam7545
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I think the Blacks should find a new Party to align with - the Dems treat Blacks like it was 1950. Agree with Thomas or not he is highly articulate and should be allowed his opinions. Democrats like those that think like them and tow the party line - if not they could care less about race.
Lani Guaneiri - was a long time friend of the Clintons and considered to be the foremost authority on Civil Rights Issues. Clinton appointed her to an asst AG position that would be responsible for Civil RIghts issues. During her confirmation hearings some "radical" writing from her past were dug up. When the going got tough Clinton promised to stand behind her - then withdrew her nomination without telling her. Stabbed her in the back! You should read about the story - there is much on the net about it. It will help you understand how phony the Clintons are!
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| Nov 28, 2007 @ 9:15 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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iam7545...You can spew some of the most tainted posts I have ever witnessed!
The womans name....Lani Guinier! It wasn't the Democrats that started on her it was the republicans!
read the info at this link....
Lani Guinier
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| Nov 28, 2007 @ 9:19 PM |
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Say_Yes
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I do remember the Thomas hearings. But you know Clarence Thomas is pretty much of an embarassment in some african american circles. He got to where he is because of afirmative action but now he's against it. Bush choose him because he knew it would put the Democrats in a akward position if they opposed him.
Actually, the choice of Thomas was not because of affirmative action, but because in the current approval process, competence is not a requirement. Remember Robert Bork? He was a nominee for the court, with excellent credentials. The problem was that the liberals opposed him, based on what he had published and as a result, they "Borked" him. Now, in order to get approved by the judiciary committee, the norm has become to nominate light weights, with little history for the opposition to attack. No, it doesn't make for great nominees to the court, but given the level of incompetence we have in the rest of the federal government, why should the courts be an exception?
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| Nov 28, 2007 @ 9:29 PM |
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iam7545
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leftie - Learn how to freakin read - You need HELP!!
Did yo read the wiki entry? NOPE - read the part about her hearings!
I SAID THAT CLINTON TURNED HIS BACK ON HER WHEN THE HEARINGS HEATED UP -
Why dont you send her an email and ask her if she and the Clintons are still friends?
NOW GO BADGER SOMEONE ELSE WITH YOUR IGNORANCE! PLEASE
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| Nov 28, 2007 @ 9:56 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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iam7545...said this..."I SAID THAT CLINTON TURNED HIS BACK ON HER WHEN THE HEARINGS HEATED UP -.."...!!!!!
If you had read the link you would have never posted this drival!
Remember the truth will set you free!
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| Nov 28, 2007 @ 10:17 PM |
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Nightowl001
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From an interview of Lani Guinier by Brian Lamb on Booknotes, in 1994:
LAMB: Have you talked to him since that last conversation?
GUINIER: No.
LAMB: Do you think he owes you anything?
GUINIER: I'm not so concerned about what he owes me or what he might say to me on a personal level because I assume at some point we will have a personal conversation. I am more concerned about what I believe he owes the American people in terms of playing the role of moral leader on issues of civil rights. I feel that he has a tremendous intellectual commitment to the issues of civil rights, but I have not seen a political commitment to those issues. I fear that he is being advised by people around him who are more concerned about public opinion polls than doing what is right. So in that sense I feel disappointed in the direction that the administration is taking on issues of race.
I don't hear them talking about issues of race and racism. I think the American people are desperate for a leader with a moral vision about race who can have a national conversation. I think he's a great communicator, and he could lead a conversation about race. He could heal this country, but unfortunately, some of his advisers seem convinced that there is a segment of the American people that I would call the Reagan Democrats, who are irrevocably racist or intolerant or hostile to issues of African-Americans and other racial minorities. And so rather than stir that pot, they have determined that they will not talk about race.
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| Nov 28, 2007 @ 10:26 PM |
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iam7545
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NO - did she tell the story of how he stabbed her in the back before he withdrew the nomination in that interview?
Thx for posting this! She is a great woman and was f&&^ed by him - she deserved the post.
btw - the Clintons were longtime friends of hers before the incident. I remember that they were in each others weddings.
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| Nov 28, 2007 @ 11:42 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Iam, sometimes I wonder if we read the same language. Nowhere in what I posted (nor in the interview) did she express anything but shock that he withdrew her name from nomination, but blamed it much more on the anti-Clinton Congress and some of the Congressional Democrats bringing pressure to bear, as well as his advisors telling him which battles he could win and which wouldn't be worth the political cost. She realized it was political heat he did not need in addition to what else he was undergoing at the time. That is pretty much the extent of anything "negative" I can find that she said about Clinton.
She did say he was invited to her wedding. She didn't say he was a part of it, other than as a guest. I don't know if he was actually part of the wedding "party" or not.
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| Nov 28, 2007 @ 11:59 PM |
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iam7545
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I am more concerned about what I believe he owes the American people in terms of playing the role of moral leader on issues of civil rights. I feel that he has a tremendous intellectual commitment to the issues of civil rights, but I have not seen a political commitment to those issues.
right here - and the back story that you must have missed is this - he flew to meet with her the weekend of her hearings - Clinton told her that he would not withdraw her nomination as he wanted her to have the post. Later that day he held a press conference and withdrew the nomination - He did not tell her first -they did not talk for quite some time as she was quite bitter- maybe until this day. Thus the reason for the question!
So the first question was regarding their "break up" as they were close friends. Then what do you think this exchange means??
LAMB: Have you talked to him since that last conversation?
GUINIER: No.
LAMB: Do you think he owes you anything?
The comments that I copied are regarding her disappointment in HIM - after all HE was the president. He withdrew her nomination she was not turned down by the Congress.
I am not sure why you can't understand this - really. The story is quite well known. Did you ever hear of her in the Clinton Administration afterwards?
Beats me NO - I thought as a political kind of guy you knew about this! And knew the story as it happened - this was one of the things that Clinton did early in his term that caused me to change parties!
This is what happens when you try to learn about history on the internet. Most of what happened goes right over your head!
She did say he was invited to her wedding. She didn't say he was a part of it, other than as a guest. I don't know if he was actually part of the wedding "party" or not. '
You should probably dig deeper - they went to school together and their families were close for quite some time!
[Edited on 11/29/2007 12:05 AM]
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 12:25 AM |
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iam7545
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here - I will help you understand what happened - I thought that you are much more well read and intelligent than leftie whatever his name is - looks like I was wrong - quite wrong! Dead heat!
After you read this NO tell me who reads and understands proper English - 
You lefties should know this stuff before you support a Clinton! Read the bold face type and tell me what you think this means??? Is it written in Arabic or what NO???
You will also notice also in bold that we can assume that she did not talk to Clinton for at least FOUR YEARS - hmmmmmm 
I told you I was a lefty back them too - I saw the light! You guys gotta get off of your puter and read some books! You need to have a CLUE! 
Repeat after me - B A C K S T A B B E R!
the link-
>>>>>>>>> Billary Stabs Guinier in the Back <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Competition for the honor of Presidential Victim has got pretty stiff these days. If you haven't gone mad from heartache or broke from legal fees or served two years in an Arkansas prison, you don't stand much of a chance. The bruising of Lani Guinier, the law professor nominated in 1993 to be Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights and then ditched by the Clintons, seems remote and harmless considering what's happened since. And to be fair to the contenders for the title, Guinier has already had the chance to air her complaints, first in The New York Times Magazine, then in her last book, ''The Tyranny of the Majority.''
She remembers being brushed off by the First Lady -- ''Hey kiddo!,'' Mrs. Clinton said, and kept walking, then turned to say breezily she was late for a luncheon. And, finally, Guinier remembers the total silence from her once-close friends after it was all over, and captures the feeling in a line she'd used before: ''I have not had any communication with President Clinton or the First Lady,'' she writes, ''although I did get identical, machine-signed White House Christmas cards in December 1993, December 1994, December 1995, December 1996 and December 1997.''
In ''Lift Every Voice,'' Guinier does dredge up a few priceless moments in her tale of betrayal. She recalls her humiliation when, five minutes before her appearance on ''Nightline,'' Ted Koppel showed her articles from the next day's Times and The Washington Post saying the White House was withdrawing her nomination; she recalls her shock when, after getting moist-eyed in his final meeting with her and calling it ''one of the most painful'' he'd ever attended, President Clinton appeared on television only a few hours afterward and called her views ''antidemocratic.'' She recalls his weirdly insulting compliment later: ''I love her. I think she's wonderful. If she came to me and asked for $5,000 I'd go down to the bank and give it to her, no questions asked.''
[Edited on 11/29/2007 1:02 AM]
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 5:46 AM |
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lefthandedluckie
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iam7545....said this..."right here - and the back story that you must have missed is this - he flew to meet with her the weekend of her hearings - Clinton told her that he would not withdraw her nomination as he wanted her to have the post. Later that day he held a press conference and withdrew the nomination - He did not tell her first -they did not talk for quite some time as she was quite bitter- maybe until this day. Thus the reason for the question!"....!!
and this in a quote from somewhere....
"In ''Lift Every Voice,'' Guinier does dredge up a few priceless moments in her tale of betrayal. She recalls her humiliation when, five minutes before her appearance on ''Nightline,'' Ted Koppel showed her articles from the next day's Times and The Washington Post saying the White House was withdrawing her nomination; she recalls her shock when, after getting moist-eyed in his final meeting with her and calling it ''one of the most painful'' he'd ever attended, President Clinton appeared on television only a few hours afterward and called her views ''antidemocratic.'' She recalls his weirdly insulting compliment later: ''I love her. I think she's wonderful. If she came to me and asked for $5,000 I'd go down to the bank and give it to her, no questions asked.''....".....!!!
iam.....You say in the top posting that he had a news conference the afternoon he told her he would keep her name in nomination! Yet, YOU SAY, in the afternoon he has a news conference and withdraws her nomination!
In the next paragraph taken from a quote from source unknown, that she found it out 5 minutes before going on Nightline with Ted Koppell!
WHICH ONE IS THE "TRUE" VERSION? Just want to get the facts straight! Of course with you a person must always research everything you say that deals with factual evidence! Are you sure you are not Irish? A lot of "blarney" floats around on your posts!
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 3:36 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Even if I agree that perhaps Ms Guinier felt betrayed by Clinton personally and that you can infer from her accountm written several years after the Lamb interivew I read, that she is no longer friends with them, what does that have to do with whether or not America is ready for a black President?
Screaming about Bill Clinton, though I know the conservatives love to do it still, isn't the topic.
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 7:01 PM |
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Bj864
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Screaming about Bill Clinton, though I know the conservatives love to do it still, isn't the topic.
Isn't it something the way the republicans so frequently change the subject to the Clintons? Anytime the subject is looking unfavorable to what they "want" to believe, the simply start attacking the Clintons.
I am not a Clinton supporter either, but I can see where they did a lot of good too. Mainly I don't agree with their foreign policy and trade agreements, which I consider to be a furthering of the republican agenda.
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 7:26 PM |
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onoudn
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I think that if Senator Clinton wins the nomination, which she probally will, and she pursuades Obama to run on the VP ticket they have a great chance of winning.
There are many african-american conservative thinkers I know. Its interesting how far the republican party has come. But a lot us still have images of folks like George Wallace and David Duke in our memories. For some reason racist seem to find the Republican party a nice fit in the advancement of their racist agenda, or they have in the past. An good example would be the issue of immigration.
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 8:13 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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In line with this topic, I have to wonder:
Are Americans ready for a Hispanic president? Their population is the fastest-growing, and we're probably going to see them becoming a majority in several Western and Southwestern states soon... Or how about East Asian or Southwest Asian or Indian?
Or how about religions? We've got our first Mormon running for office. Are Americans ready for another non-mainline-Protestant? How about Jewish? Buddhist or Hindu? Or how about Catholic? (Given the political activities of the Catholic Church in America in the last several decades, how willing would the current-majority Protestants be to accept possible foreign veto power from the Vatican?)
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 10:38 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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onoudn....I remember when George Wallace ran for president in '68! This racist man came dangerously close to upsetting the presidential elections more than once!
From his first inaugural speech...
"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."
That kind of thinking, I am very sorry to say, permeates the south to this day!
has our country changed that much
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 11:41 PM |
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blueyes101
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The fact his color is even mentioned makes it racist...... When Mrs. Obama states " black America will wake up " makes it racist.
If you want to be judged on the content of your character, act as if color isn't an issue.
If anybody casts their vote based on the color of ones skin, it is racist. Black or white.
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 5:16 PM |
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onoudn
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I would have see the context in which the statement you quoted from Ms Obama was made. But just speaking generally, it seems absurd to think that simply bringing the subject of race up means a person is a racist.
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 7:15 PM |
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iam7545
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ven if I agree that perhaps Ms Guinier felt betrayed by Clinton personally and that you can infer from her accountm written several years after the Lamb interivew I read, that she is no longer friends with them, what does that have to do with whether or not America is ready for a black President?
Screaming about Bill Clinton, though I know the conservatives love to do it still, isn't the topic.
AGREE - who cares if you agree - you have a reading comprehension problem - it is the truth - it has been a known fact for years! No one cares if you agree!
I know liberals like you like to rewrite history - so you can rewrite away NO -
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