| Nov 30, 2007 @ 11:23 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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iam7545....Bill Clinton made a choice he pulled her nomination! You will just have to live with that since it happened in 1993! Do you need someone to hold you hand? Someone to help you through all the sorrow you must be feeling for this woman!
I never hear you say a word about ol'Brownie...you know the guy that played tennis why Katrina blew away New Orleans! Bush said..."Hey Brownie...you doin one hell'uva job"....three days later Brownie was cleaning his desk!
Say a few words for George's "Ol'Brownie"!!
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| Dec 2, 2007 @ 10:08 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Ms Guinier felt betrayed by Clinton personally
Join the Club. Take a number, now serving number 389,456,739, Next,
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| Dec 3, 2007 @ 11:48 AM |
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Nightowl001
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AGREE - who cares if you agree - you have a reading comprehension problem - it is the truth - it has been a known fact for years! No one cares if you agree!
I would appreciate you desisting from the personal attacks on me. You brought up the subject of Ms Guinier, and I asked how it was you claimed that she was no longer friends with the Clintons, since you presumably don't know her personally. I cited the source I found, wherein she seemed less than pleased with her treatment, but said nothing to indicate she didn't accept it and remain friends. You cited a later source wherein she purportedly claims to have felt more strongly negative about it. Your link took me to a registration site for the New York Times (which you so often denigrate as an unworthy source, but use whenever it suits your purpose) which I did not register for. Yet, based on your word, I said perhaps I agree you have a valid point, which is what you were insisting I do. I allowed that perhaps you were correct in your assessment and I was incorrect. This means I may not be wholy convinced you are absolutely correct, but I will not argue the point lacking further documentation and substantiation of either ponit of view which convinces me of the rightness of one or the other. This is not a reading comprehension problem, bur rather an unwillingness to blindly believe differing versions of a story without further indications of which version is the correct one in the final analysis.
As far as rewriting history, in the event that facts come to light that disagree with prior accepted accounts, and are verified and substiated, history SHOULD be rewritten to reflect the Truth.
Para, not all Amercans felt betrayed by Bill Clinton, and you cannot claim you speak for approximately 390 million Americans. .
And, again, none of this has to do with the OP of whether or not America is ready for a black President.
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| Dec 3, 2007 @ 11:58 AM |
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DiamondRain
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I don't think America would elect a black president. And I think putting a black person on the ticket as VP would be a sure way to lose the general election.
That is why I can't wait to see what is going to happen if Hillary gets the nomination and the Democrat left forces her to put Obama on her ticket.
I believe she understands that would lose her the election and that she would be in the impossible position of either saying yes, or alienating black voters.
I salivate over seeing her in that fix. Nothing like watching a fraud squirm!
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| Dec 3, 2007 @ 1:16 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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When Hillary is the nominee she will make her own choice for VP! It will not be Obama! It will be a white male! And possibly from Ohio or Florida!
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| Dec 4, 2007 @ 10:21 PM |
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onoudn
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I don't agree that is a foregone conclusion that Hillary will not choose Obama. Nor, infact, do I think she is a shoe in for the Democratic nomination. If Obama wins I think he should choose Edwards as a running mate, and possibly all of the candidates should choose McCain as a possible VP. That way they would have the added incentive of both Carville and Maitlan as political advisors. What a race that would be.
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| Dec 4, 2007 @ 10:49 PM |
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Say_Yes
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For once, I am actually going to agree (in part) with LHD
When Hillary is the nominee she will make her own choice for VP! It will not be Obama! It will be a white male! And possibly from Ohio or Florida!
Though I would change the when to if and don't believe that her running mate, will have to be a white male. Hilary, like her husband is first and foremost a politician. VP nominations are typically done, not based on similarities in ideology (Clinton & Gore), but rather because the other party is likely to deliver one or more swing states in a close election. In spite of Bush's bungling of the presidency, it is shaping up to be a much closer election next year, than most of us would have thought possible. As such, Hilary (or whoever the nominee ends up being) is going to choose someone that can deliver a lot of electoral votes, that they could not count on other wise. That being said, if she gains the nomination, she will likely choose someone from Florida, Ohio or Pennsylvania; big swing states, with lots of electoral votes that are likely to decide the general election. Ed Rendell of PA, is a very likely running mate for her.
The exception to the white male and the other option I see for her (or other democrats) would be Bill Richardson. The hispanic vote could have a huge influence on the outcome of the general election. In 2004 Bush got 40% of the hispanic vote in Florida. In 1996, Bob Dole got 20%. If Bush had gotten 20% of that vote, instead of 40%, then John Kerry would be president today. Given the impact of the hispanic vote in CA, TX, AZ, FL & NM Richardson would bring a lot to the ticket.
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 9:15 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Race is not a proper issue for the making of political decisions, but attitudes are.
For instance, all the leftists who defended Bill Clinton's loose zippers are the same vocalists who condemn Bill Cosby for allegedly fondling some women, even though Bill Cosby talks perfect sense about social issues that liberal blacks persist in remaining blind to.
So a black like Bill Cosby is acceptable to Americana while a black like Al Sharpton is a nutcase.
Its not their race, its their head and heart that matters. I will take a black conservative over a white leftist any day.
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 2:03 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Race is not the issue here! It happens to deal with facts Ohio and Florida are very important states when it comes to the presidential race! Obama is a good man! But, no presidential candidate except Kennedy and Reagan in the past 70 years have ever picked another candidate that ran against them! Reagan picked "Voo-Doo Economics" Bush and Kennedy picked Johnson! Notice that both of these men were from Texas!
I would suggest that whomever is the Democratic or republican candidates they will pick a person slightly known nationally and probably from the two states mentioned, earlier!
My opinion...take that and 1.00 and get you a small coke! 
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 7:56 PM |
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Say_Yes
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Race is not the issue here! It happens to deal with facts Ohio and Florida are very important states when it comes to the presidential race! Obama is a good man! But, no presidential candidate except Kennedy and Reagan in the past 70 years have ever picked another candidate that ran against them! Reagan picked "Voo-Doo Economics" Bush and Kennedy picked Johnson! Notice that both of these men were from Texas!
Hmm, didn't Kerry pick John Edwards?
Still, you are correct in that it is very rare for a candidate to select a rival to be their VP. I certainly don't see Obama selecting Hilary, nor do I see Hilary selecting Obama. In fact, if selected, I would expect each of them to refuse, as I don't see either of them as being interested in becoming VP. I do think that if John Edwards were offered the chance to be VP, he would accept. In fact, he may prefer to be VP, as it gives a lot of prestige, without nearly as much work. Still, I sincerely doubt he will have the option, as he brings nothing to the table.
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 8:46 PM |
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Bj864
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Nightowl - Para, not all Amercans felt betrayed by Bill Clinton, and you cannot claim you speak for approximately 390 million Americans. .
It was not Americans that Bill Clinton betrayed by breaking his marriage vows, it was his wife and family. That should have remained personal and private business, just like it was with the other presidents that did the same thing.
He only betrayed us when he signed Nafta.
I also agree with LHL that Hillary will not choose Obama for her running mate. Not because he is black but because they are too far apart in the way they think. I wouldn't be surprised if she chose Dodd.
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| Dec 5, 2007 @ 11:23 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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It was not Americans that Bill Clinton betrayed by breaking his marriage vows, it was his wife and family.
I make no mention of his philandering when I say Clinton Betrayed the USA; it was his cozy relationship with Red China, his shutting down American clean burning coal in favor of the Indonesian Lippo Group after they made that big political contribution, his performance of fund raisers in a church in California, his abandonment of Somalia, his refusal to accept delivery of Osama Bin Laudin when we were offered to take him into custody three separate times.
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 7:30 AM |
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lefthandedluckie
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para....Other than the dislike you show continually for Bill Clinton did he ever do anything right as president! Leaving out the fact he paid us out of debt from Reagan/Bush and the country was more prosperous than in the last 5 presidents before him! Just what did he do? Remembering he was never charged for those "treasonous" activities you so gleefully dump at his feet!
Show me, other than when he got a "blowjob" and was raked over the coals for 6 years by those dregs of society the rethuglican congress, where he got away with all the selling of secrets to the Chinese and all that other stuff you mentioned!!
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 7:52 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Show me, other than when he got a "blowjob" and was raked over the coals for 6 years by those dregs of society the rethuglican congress, where he got away with all the selling of secrets to the Chinese
The State Dept. had authority to license weapons systems to foreign governments that posed no military threat to the United States. By Executive Order, Clinton transferred that power to the Dept. of Commerce. Then the Clinton Administration licensed the Red Chinese government to possess the guided missile GPS guidance system that makes American rockets extremely accurate.
The Clinton Administration also flooded the Oak Ridge Nuclear Testing Facility with Red Chinese Scientists. Shortley thereafter, every nuclear secret in America's nuclear cookie jar was emailed back to Red China.
The Clinton Administration also signed a Lease with the Red Chinese Merchant Marine to give them the Long Beach California Naval Base. That lease was disallowed by Congress (Notice we have no Navy bases in Red China?).
The Clinton Administration also normalized diplomatic relations with the Communist regime in Viet Nam.
For an anti-war Copperhead Democrat who vacationed in Moscow during the Cold War and was a protest leader who while on foreign soil organized marches against U.S. Embassies it appears that Bill Clinton became an articulate and useful tool of the Communist International during his Cambridge Student Days and as is evidenced by the Red Chines political campaign contributions made to both Bill Clinton and also now to Hillary Clinton, remain assets of the Communist conspiracy.
Definitely not a "traditional marriage" between Hillary and Bill, my guess is that Hillary is Bill's "Control Agent."
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 8:07 AM |
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lefthandedluckie
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But, where are the charges for all this "treasonous" activity? As President,Bill Clinton, he did not have the authority to do what he did?
Bush has given many nuke secrets to Pakistan! Even now we are sending them technology they have never possessed! Yet, Pakistan, which is a "hotbed" of terrorist activity and is holding Bin Laden, to keep us from getting him, is receiving technology far beyond their means by order of George Bush! Anything to say on this treasonous activity?
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 8:15 AM |
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eastham
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The Clinton Administration also normalized diplomatic relations with the Communist regime in Viet Nam.
Normalizing relations with Viet Nam was a bipartisan effort. John LeBoutillier, a far-right Congressman from Long Island, wrote a book in 1989 calling for the normalization of relations. John McCain played a big role in re-establishing the full diplomatic relations that were approved under Clinton. Last year, the Republicans failed in their efforts to fast track full normalization of trade (a 2/3 vote is needed) by a couple of votes and the Republicans leadership vowed to bring back the bill, but ran out of time at the end of the Congress.
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 6:16 PM |
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Bj864
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I will have to agree somewhat with Para, in that Bill (and Hillary) Clinton have too cozy of a relationship with China. They still do.
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 7:00 PM |
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MusicMonster
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As do Dubya and Dicky-boy.
-MM 
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 7:11 PM |
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eastham
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Yeah, I guess a lot of people forget Bush's first foreign policy fiasco.
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| Dec 6, 2007 @ 11:14 PM |
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onoudn
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The more I read on blogs and forums here the more I'm convinced that, if you use some of the people on MD as a measure----America is definetly not ready for a black President.
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