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Nightowl001
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Many of us now look at how it is today, and wonder what the hell we ever got involved for in the first place...this is NOT what we had in mind!!
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| Jan 5 @ 12:32 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I hate to speak for him but I think what he means is the rap/hip hop scene and the rising crime rates and poverty rates (that also means dependence on welfare) in the black neighbourhoods. There are sociological explanations for both of these, but I'm not going to get into it.
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| Jan 5 @ 12:37 PM |
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alivenwell351
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As I've said before, I think it's about time the American electorate gave up this idea that they have to vote for someone who believes in God just because they believe in God and instead vote for someone who can really get things done
In a perfect world you'd be right...but when you get right down to it, evangelicals are no more worse "one issue" voters than unions, gun folks, gays, women, pro life or pro abortion, or any of hundreds more special interest issues....it just comes down to what matters to folks...and God matters to a bunch of them...
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| Jan 5 @ 12:44 PM |
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onoudn
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No doubt Obama made history in Iowa. I've noticed Romney, and Huckabee, doing poor imitations of Obama now. The mans one of a kind. He's a mixture of the best qualities in some of greatest political thinkers and Presidents, in history. When he speaks he reminds me of Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Martin Luther King Jr, even Reagan a little. In his win in Iowa he automatically gets front-runner status, more media coverage, etc. But, its what he does with that increased attention that counts.
Already, I've noticed that his message is getting redundant, and too practiced. I remember him saying some of the same things in his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention. Kerry was the nominee then, and he upstaged him---which is not all that hard to do. Its important to stay on his message. But I think he needs to learn how to adapt more and be more spontaneous. He might even switch on the rethoric a bit and present it from different perspectives. But, he has energized the young Vote, whom seemed to bring his message of hope alive more than the other candidates. That really off sets the redundancy of his message. Bottom line is its a powerful, and vibrant message that resonates across all party lines, cultures, ages, religions, etc. Its the message of hope in what America can be again.
Hillary is definetly in trouble if she can't find a way to bring her message home, and constrast herself against Obama in a postitive way. How she is going to do that I don't know. He's basically articulating her message better than she can. The only thing she can do is try to find a way to point out flaws in the manner he plans to bring his change. I guess. She runs the risk of turning prideful Americans off if she is not careful. The man made history, made us feel proud to be alive and American, and is pulling Americans together again. How can she compete against a guy like that, without reminded us all how polarizing she is ?
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| Jan 5 @ 12:44 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Alive, saying that God matters to a lot of people and that's why they're picking the Huckster is a little skewed.
From MSNBC, last month:
MASON CITY, IA -- Obama attends church frequently on the campaign trail, sometimes allowing the press to come along, sometimes attending on his own. He spoke briefly today at the First Congregational Church of Christ here, with a message more focused on how he became a Christian than it was on winning votes.
People backing Huck are backing him because he's a fundamentalist, not just because he believes in God.
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| Jan 5 @ 12:48 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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When he speaks he reminds me of Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Martin Luther King Jr, even Reagan a little.
Obama is compared to Bobby and Jack all the time, especially by Matthews. I think that's a big push, to be compared to one or both of them.
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| Jan 5 @ 1:06 PM |
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alivenwell351
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Alive, saying that God matters to a lot of people and that's why they're picking the Huckster is a little skewed.
It's no different than any other "one issue" vote...how many folks over the years have voted SOLELY on whether a candidate is pro life or pro choice??...
Not saying it makes it right, just saying it is as it is...
I think that's a big push, to be compared to one or both of them.
Amen to that....he has a LONG way to go before being deservidly spoken of in the same sentence with either one...Bobby in particular, in my opinion...
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| Jan 5 @ 1:09 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I dunno....he is an inspirational, fantastic speaker who grabs a crowd of usually apathetic voters and makes them think.
Perhaps he is not a Kennedy but he is not your typical orator.
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| Jan 5 @ 1:35 PM |
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alivenwell351
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Nightowl...
Talk to some black folks who came up through the 60's, took advantage of the opportunities so righteously and belatedly afforded them through affirmative action back when it WAS the right thing to do and because of that are doing just fine, and ask them what they think about the plight of so many of their race and how it's still being blamed on white folks...ask them how right it is for so many to have become racists towards whites themselves...ask them what they think of so much black on black crime, the close to 80% illegitimate birth rate with no "father" in sight, dependence on government handouts (slavery at it's finest!!), failure of an inordinate number to get an education despite the red carpet being rolled out for 40+ years, the gangsta/rap mentality, and so much other ghetto crap...and ask them what they REALLY think of Jesse and AL.....
They can explain it to you a whole lot better than I could...
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| Jan 5 @ 1:36 PM |
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onoudn
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He reminds people of Kennedy, I think more right now due to his charismatic manner, than his political accomplishemts.
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| Jan 5 @ 1:46 PM |
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onoudn
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Alive I'm "black" and I grew up during the 60. I've never asked for or benefited from Afirmative Action. And none of the blacks I know are blaming anything on whites. They are too busy trying to make something out of their lives to do that. I keep reading this type of rethoric on MD. I don't know where people are getting their impressions of the black community from. Its just like any other community. We have people who are democrat, republican, independent, christian, buddhist, muslim, get where I'm going?
Aside from our race we are exactly like everybody else. Some may contend that they are being held back by bigotry. And you have to admit there is a lot of truth in that belief. Others may think that there is predjudice, but find a way to make it anyway. While others may hardly ever think about it. Its the same with other races.
Its the same with women, and other minorites. It just depends on the person. I really don't get all this resentment I keep reading.
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| Jan 5 @ 1:48 PM |
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alivenwell351
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I think more right now due to his charismatic manner, than his political accomplishemts.
He comes across very well, no doubt about it...
But sometimes I wonder if it's because he's REALLY that good, or does he stand out because his competition is so pathetic...
Probably some of both...
I really don't get all this resentment I keep reading.
It's not resentment O...nor is it racist...
It's simply my opinion based on years of talking to and LISTENING to black people I know and have known well, and what I see now compared to what I once saw many years ago...it's just what I strongly believe to be true...nothing more, nothing less...
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| Jan 5 @ 2:04 PM |
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onoudn
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Who mentioned racist ? And I didn't say you were resentful either. I simply stated that I don't get the resentment. It was a general statement.
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| Jan 5 @ 2:18 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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Blacks in this country have come a long way! But, only since the "Civil Rights Act of 1964" have we seen a big jump in African-Americans and their ability to be main stream Americans!
With this law the "Dixiecrats" started going to the rethuglican party in droves and they still dominate the party today! If this law had not been passed "Jim Crow" would still be alive and well in the south!
Kennedy and Johnson were instrumental in finally destroying, mostly, the race mongers in the south! And as I said before they left the Democrat Party and went to the rethuglican party where other racists welcomed them with open arms!
civil rights act of 1964
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| Jan 5 @ 2:23 PM |
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hotdognchilli
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Obama is compared to Bobby and Jack all the time, especially by Matthews. I think that's a big push, to be compared to one or both of them.
Think again LGQ....Obama is a brilliant orator to any audience he addresses....not unlike that of Bobby Or Jack.
Ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your Country
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| Jan 5 @ 2:26 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Talk to some black folks who came up through the 60's,
Alive, I've mentioned this before, but I was actually at one of the schools named in the Brown V. USD 501 anti-segregation suit. Many of my classmates' older brothers and sisters who had gone to segregated schools. We came up through the 60s side by side. Oddly enough, I had several of them tell me years later, that desegregation had actually hurt the black community. Where before they had had their prom kings and queens and student body governing members, now they were a minority who didn't have enough votes to win those positions. It actually contributed to the feelings many of them had that they would never be allowed to be "equal." They felt themselves pushed out of having any voice of self-determination. Despite our going to the same school, they saw me as "privileged" because I was white and a member of the majority that made all the decisions. That's giving self-important white people the idea that they are providing equal opportunities. A much different case than actually doing so. I've lived in largely black neighborhoods. The biggest difference I have seen in crime rates, taking advantage of opportunities, etc., have do to with two things. Poverty and education. When you were born to a janitor and cook, I don't care what color you were, you didn't live in a nice neighborhood where all the neighbor kids were talking about which college they were going to get into. You often were pushed into getting a job as soon as possible (or at least an income) in order to relieve some of the heavy burden on your parents. They weren't putting back part of their $1.60 an hour (the minimum wage in 1973) to save for your college education. The crushing economic burden caused by racial discrimination has STILL not been overcome as a generality. I suspect it will take at least another entire generation to even properly begin to address that problem. And the current Republican administration's economic policies driving DOWN the average wages of the middle class is doing absolutely nothing toward that end. Poverty is on the rise, decent-paying middle class jobs are going overseas to enrich corporate coffers, while they get tax breaks for doing so!
I don't know if America is "ready" for a black President. But I think that it is time for America to have a President who actually cares about the PEOPLE of this nation again. And that is where I see Obama and Kennedy comparisons as entirely valid. What was it Teddy said about his brother, Bobby? "He looked at things that never were, and asked, 'Why not?'"
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| Jan 5 @ 2:35 PM |
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alivenwell351
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But I think that it is time for America to have a President who actually cares about the PEOPLE of this nation again.
I couldn't agree more....
I don't know what it will take to get to that...what I do believe though is as long as it takes so much $$ to run a campaign, and it takes donations to raise the $$, we'll never see it...I mean folks contributing big $$ aren't doing it out of love of country...it's the cost of doing business...and they expect what they've paid for to be delivered...
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| Jan 5 @ 3:49 PM |
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Nightowl001
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folks contributing big $$ aren't doing it out of love of country...it's the cost of doing business...and they expect what they've paid for to be delivered...
They've certainly gotten their money's worth the last 27 years.
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| Jan 5 @ 3:57 PM |
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hotdognchilli
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Pile on
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| Jan 5 @ 3:58 PM |
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eastham
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I watched Obama's post-Iowa win speech. What an orator! And that he and his campaign truly capitalized on the young vote. They got them not only interested, but got them out. Quite a feat.
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