| Nov 29, 2007 @ 7:23 AM |
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MusicMonster
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CNN - Who from the debate last night do you think has the best solution for immigration?
Rep. Ron Paul 70%
Mike Huckabee 11%
Rep. Tom Tancredo 6%
Sen. John McCain 5%
Gov. Mitt Romney 3%
Mayor Rudy Guiliani 3%
Rep. Duncan Hunter 1%
Sen. Fred Thompson 0%
http://www.cnn.com/am
I picked Hunter, although several of them have some good ideas as well as some very poor ones. Hunter is having a hard time getting enough recognition and air play for much of the public to know what his position really is, and I suspect few are clear about it. I do wish the debates were more balanced, and gave similar time to each individual. As it is, they concentrate heavily on the front-runners.
But Huckabee? 11%? Or #2? Huckabee is pro-illegal, wanting Illegal Alien kids to get free scholarships to attend free college in the US! Something US Citizen kids don't get!! And paid for by You and Me! He says we can't penalize Illegal Alien children for their parents breaking our laws, and his solution is apparently to make up for it by offering them anything/everything he can! Talk about a misguided approach. 
Clearly Ron Paul won that particular part of the debate, at least.  And by a substantial margin.
While Thompson continues to fall short of expectations, McCain just continues to drop even further on my Impression-O-Meter. Why he would ever be so pro-Bush, after all Rove's dirty tricks against him, is a mystery. But he always has been! Like Bush, he's determined to keep the War going as long as possible. And as such he leveled his Pro-War aim at just about everybody there, with a vengeance!
He apparently feels he needs to show more intensity to catch up, but he's really showing a marked inability to handle the pressures of the job.
If you want 4 more years of the status quo, be sure to vote Giuliani, McCain or Thompson, and that's what you'll get.
-MM 
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 8:47 AM |
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iam7545
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MM - We all know the Paulists like to stuff the internet boxes!
I wouldn't believe a thing that I see or read on CNN - the Clinton News Network anyway - watch this vid. They stage these debates and did it again last night - the blogesphere is calling it "planting," so far they have found 3 from last night -
enjoy
>>>>>> Clinton News Network Plants Their Liberal Garden <<<<<<<<<
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 2:42 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Partisam extremism, on either side, can severely distort our vision of reality.
That web site is a good example of that.  I prefer the logical view from the middle of the road, from where all things are visible, and from where no political party makes my decisions for me.
-MM
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 7:03 PM |
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Bj864
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no political party makes my decisions for me.
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| Nov 29, 2007 @ 7:26 PM |
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kjac
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Rudy made a complete fool of himself, even drawing boos from a conservative crowd. He should stick to criticizing Hillary and repeating the words 9/11 over and over again. Whenever he speaks of actual issues, he just digs his own grave.
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 2:53 PM |
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MusicMonster
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I didn't think Giuliani did well at all. Others disagree. But I don't see how.
He stumbled constantly and was clearly being very defensive and very insincere. In the confrontation between him and Romney, I felt Romney very clearly won it hands down. Rudy was just grasping at straws to try to shift the 'sanctuary' onus away from himself, in any way he possibly could..
Rudy thinks his charm, his charisma, and his 9/11 hero image will see him through the rough times, and he is seldom well-prepared for debate. He basically wings it, apparently, which really doesn't serve him very well.
All indications seem to be that Paul did very well. I personally think so too, especially in his clashes with McCain. But I also think Hunter did well, even though he got little opportunity to speak. Tancredo also probably gained a few points. He seemed more solid and collected than in past debates.
-MM
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| Nov 30, 2007 @ 2:57 PM |
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Bj864
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I thought Rudy was pretty awful. He has WAY too much baggage to win in the general. I thought McCain was bordering on being arrogant. Thompson seemed stronger,but a little too much. Romney was too stiff (kind of like Gore was). If Ron Paul had gotten a little more time, he would have probably won the debate. As it was I think Huckabee probably won it.
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| Dec 7, 2007 @ 4:02 PM |
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MusicMonster
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This harsh attack-mode thing that McCain has been doing lately doesn't serve him very well, in my opinion. I guess somebody told him he needs to appear to be less asleep-at-the-wheel, and to appear a lot more assertive. But he's going overboard with it. 
The way he went after Paul, and also Romney as I recall, as though they were traitors or something similar, for things like wanting to stop illegal immigration, and wanting a reasonable, and definable, end to the war, was big-time overkill.
One would think that his background as a POW etc, would make him anti-war. And you would think his encounters with the Bush/Rove Dirty Tricks Machine some years back, would make him anti-Bush as well. But not so. Of course there are a few other candidates who create that kind of concern as well.
If McCain ever made it to the white house, I'd be pretty nervous. However there seems to be little threat of that.
-MM
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| Dec 10, 2007 @ 1:06 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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One would think that his background as a POW etc, would make him anti-war.
When Senator McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton, he lost his freedom, not his mind.
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| Dec 10, 2007 @ 3:21 PM |
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MusicMonster
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And that is supposed to mean . . . . . . . . . . . . ??
-MM
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| Dec 10, 2007 @ 7:07 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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The comment:
One would think that his background as a POW etc, would make him anti-war.
The reply:
When Senator McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton, he lost his freedom, not his mind.
The inquiry:
And that is supposed to mean . . . . . . . . . . . . ??
The clarification:
Because one was a POW does not mean that one has lost his scruples or has suddenly become a capitulator nor lost his manly determination to oppose tyranny, dictatorship, oppression, or genocide, as it would be akin to a mental illness to suddenly trade one's disciplined soldierly conduct for an abject surrender to evil without any desire to resist or overcome the threat posed by another world power or terrorist organization determined to kill Americans because he had once been held captive.
He did NOT lose his mind while in captivity and remains firmly grounded to oppose any foe who would trample the US Constitution or kill our people.
Senator McCain is a war Hero, not a deranged anti-war mental subject.
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| Dec 10, 2007 @ 7:09 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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We all know the Paulists like to stuff the internet boxes!
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| Dec 10, 2007 @ 7:28 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Ron Paul is not a serious candidate for President. He is regarded as a lightweight
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| Dec 10, 2007 @ 8:49 PM |
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warmplace411
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Check out numbersusa.com they have listed performance evaluations on ALL the candidate's, from past proof of actions, not words.
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| Dec 10, 2007 @ 10:17 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Read Article I, Section 9 of the United States Constitution and see if you consider that Constitutional provision as providing a well of authority to the several states to regulate the "importation or migration of persons" into their states by defining which persons are desired and which should be prohibited through enactment of state statutes?
Section 9
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing
shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to
the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed
on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
I think this provision of the US Consitution, which is still in full force and effect, is a sleeper section that is independent of the Federal government's exclusive powers to regulate immigration under Article I, Section 8. This Section 9 gives the states ample authority to disgorge itself of any illegal aliens, through criminal laws if needs be. Under this section, each state may independently legislate that only natural born citizens and also naturalized citizens of the United States, and also those persons who lawfully enter the United States, may be admitted to their state.
As for the "states now existing" clause, when the Congress admitted new states to the Union, it always used the phrase "on an equal footing with the original states."
Also of interest in this section is the plain language that after 1808, the sole powers granted to congress under Article I, Section 9, is to PROHIBIT the importation or migration of "persons" that the states "think proper to admit" and it is the precise lack of a prohibitation against illegal immigrants on the part of the US Government that is the root of the national illegal alien problem.
To me, an "imported person" can be legislatively defined by a state legislature as a foreign national that pays a fee or something of value to perpetrate an illegal entry into the United States and a "migrant" can be legislatively defined as an illegal alien moving into the state from any other US State, commonwealth, or territory.
As for the ten dollar tax that is also authorized with regard to imported persons and migrants, I suggest that this tax be collected each day, with failure to file and pay the daily tax when due being a separate criminal felony offense, because a tax return is a tax return is a tax return.
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| Dec 10, 2007 @ 10:40 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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The Sanctuary Spat
December 10, 2007
The Giuliani campaign says his immigration policy in New York wasn't like that of other cities. That's not true.
They will say one thing ...do something else....then go back and say they did/didn't!
link....
Rudy needs to remember what he did and when he did it
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| Dec 10, 2007 @ 11:09 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Giuliani wanted NY NY to be a sanctuary city.
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| Dec 11, 2007 @ 8:10 AM |
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kjac
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They will say one thing ...do something else....then go back and say they did/didn't!
Mitt Romney is the leader in that regard to illegal immigration. Just ask his own illegal immigrants.
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| Dec 11, 2007 @ 12:57 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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So was Article I, Section 9 of the US Constitution, a provision that empowers the states to decide who they wish to admit within their borders, and thus a state tool to legislate criminal laws that provide that illegal aliens are NOT WELCOME in that state, too vague for anyone to respond to?
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| Jan 12 @ 2:07 AM |
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kjac
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I wouldn't believe a thing that I see or read on CNN - the Clinton News Network anyway
EF - please chill - CNN is a reputable news source -
Those two statements seem to contradict each other. Can someone explain?
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