| Dec 17, 2007 @ 7:41 AM |
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sealacamp
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National Health Care (immediately)
National Health Care (immediately) = 80% tax rate for everyone. You pay my share since you want this so bad. Being broke and depending on the government to take care of me is not my idea of anything good in any way.
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| Dec 17, 2007 @ 7:57 AM |
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kjac
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For once, I agree with seal...
Wow, never thought I'd say that.
After seeing the way our government handles healthcare for veterans, do you really want these fools handling the entire country's health care?
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| Dec 17, 2007 @ 8:27 AM |
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Mission_Impossible139
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For those who don't have healthcare, like 45 million of us, ANY healthcare administered by anyone is better than what we have now.
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| Dec 17, 2007 @ 10:53 AM |
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Bj864
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After seeing the way our government handles healthcare for veterans, do you really want these fools handling the entire country's health care?
Believe me when I tell you that the VA Health Care System is much better than dealing with private insurers.
My daughter just had surgery and the bills just keep coming in that her insurance wouldn't pay for. Their goal is not to pay for your medical expenses, but to find a way to AVOID paying for them. A few plans have good coverage, but very few, as they much more expensive than most people could ever afford.
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| Dec 17, 2007 @ 12:24 PM |
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sealacamp
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For once, I agree with seal...
Wow, never thought I'd say that.
Wow we actually agree on something? Must be Christmas then.
Depending on someone to take care of you in the first place is a mistake and depending on the government to do it is an even worse mistake. Quite a few people from other countries with socialist medicine are not very happy about their circumstance and many come here so they can get what they need sooner with better quality as well.
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| Dec 17, 2007 @ 1:08 PM |
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Bj864
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Depending on someone to take care of you in the first place is a mistake
Lets assume you are 65. Lets assume you are very ill. Are you going to turn down your medicare coverage?
Lets assume that you have health care. Do you pay for it or your employer? If it is your employer, are you expecting them to take care of your health needs because you work there?
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| Dec 17, 2007 @ 1:11 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Lets assume that you have health care. Do you pay for it or your employer? If it is your employer, are you expecting them to take care of your health needs because you work there?
To a Federalist, the only acceptable government health care is that which is provided by the several states and commonwealths of the United States.
This is one of many reasons why we need to slash the national government's revenues and transfer that taxing authority and the implementation to the states with respect to matters that do not have an interstate commerce or international character.
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| Dec 22, 2007 @ 12:46 PM |
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onoudn
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I''ve been checking out all the Christmas ads put out by the candidates. I couldn't believe that some of the media folks were bashing Hillary's ad. It was a universal message. Huckaberry, on the otherhand, put out an ad that sent a message of preferential treatment for Christian conservatives.
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| Dec 22, 2007 @ 12:57 PM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Huckaberry, on the otherhand, put out an ad that sent a message of preferential treatment for Christian conservatives
Cos those are the people that are voting for him, and he knows it 
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| Dec 22, 2007 @ 1:10 PM |
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onoudn
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He confuses me. First he panders to the religious right. Then, he tries to convince people that he's impartial on the issue of religion. 
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| Dec 22, 2007 @ 1:40 PM |
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alivenwell351
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He confuses me. First he panders to the religious right. Then, he tries to convince people that he's impartial on the issue of religion.
LGQ is exactly right...those are his bread and butter people and he's simply trying to convince him he's their man...like em or not, they have some serious political (and financial) juice.
I've never heard him try to convince anyone he's impartial about religion...quite the opposite in fact...what I HAVE heard him do is try to convince folks that his strong christian beliefs won't get in the way of his ability to properly govern...something I find a little hard to believe at best.
I have no trouble with someone praying to his/her god for guidance and wisdom as they try to decide something important. What I have all the trouble in the world with is someone who would make that decision based on what he/she believes said god would want him/her to do...and I suspect that would be Huckabee's way of doing it. And as little use as I have for liberals, I would vote Dem in a heartbeat if it means possibly keeping Huckabee out of the white house, should he somehow be the repub candidate... One religious fanatic scares me way more than a thousand libs....
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| Dec 22, 2007 @ 1:52 PM |
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onoudn
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Wow...that's a pretty strong statement against huckabee alive...I've heard huckabee answer questions on religion and claim that he would not allow his beliefs to interfere with his responsibilities as President. Or maybe I have him mixed up with Romney....hmmmm....could be....But I although I don't think he should automatically be disqualified for the Presidency soley because he was a Baptist Minister, I do think its something to be very concerned about. No I lied....I am really really bias about this. I have a lot or serious reservations about a former Baptist minister being our President. Bush is bad enough. This guy would make bush look like John Kennedy. BTW how does one stop being a minister ? I thought once ordained always ordained.
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| Dec 22, 2007 @ 2:25 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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I thought once ordained always ordained
"Behold, Thou art a High Priest forever, after the Order of Melchesidek." Jesus Christ
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| Dec 22, 2007 @ 3:33 PM |
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alivenwell351
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Wow...that's a pretty strong statement against huckabee alive..
I have my own selfish little reason...I'm getting older and might not always enjoy the health I do now.
I want my fkn stem cells!!!!!
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| Dec 22, 2007 @ 3:48 PM |
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onoudn
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 thanks I needed a laugh today....
Anyway, I don't know what the Republicans would be thinking with a Huckabee nomination. Hillary would have that guy for lunch. There's all these ghost of Christmas past in his closet. And, like I said before, I dont think he's got the political sophistication to spin it into a serious bid for being President. I was reading Para's thread on him letting a parolee out. And I've listened to his explanation basically blaming previous administrations. That explanation btw was discredited by people who worked in the parole department, who contradicted his claims that his involment was as limited as he wants us to believe.
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| Dec 23, 2007 @ 11:49 PM |
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Say_Yes
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Hilary's campaign is alive and well. The democratic race will be down to three candidates in few weeks, (Hilary, Obama & Edwards) falling to two, by mid February, when Edwards runs out of money. I expect that he will repeat his 2004 performance and try to strike a deal with either Hilary or Obama, throwing his support to the one, who will agree to him as the VP candidate. I doubt that either would have him, as he brings nothing to the ticket, but once the money is gone, so too will he be. After that, it is just the long march through the primary season, until Hilary has enough votes to garner the nomination.
It isn't over for Hilary. She will be the nominee.
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| Dec 24, 2007 @ 2:19 AM |
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Gentlegiant127
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GH,
They wouldn't need to deport all of them. I don't know of any current republican candidate even advocating that. Of course deportations must continue as they have for many years now, and I don't see anything wrong with increasing them(especially against the over half a million criminal aliens who all should be deported asap), but its impractical and unnecessary to deport all of them.What would be a much better way is an attrition through enforcement type of plan(enforcing laws against employing illegal aliens and making sure they can't get on welfare, and making it harder for them to engage in identity theft), to cause most illegals to leave the country on their own over time. And fully enforce current laws on the books, which Bush(and Clinton, and many presidents before him) refused to do. Amnesty, which is what all democrat presidential candidates(and some of the republicans) are advocating, will just entice more illegals to come here, like the Reagan amnesty did.
I don't think the economy will take too much of a hit if illegals left over time, and whatever hit it does take, it will quickly correct itself as employers do what they need to do(raise wages, or make legal use of h visas)to attract legal workers to fill in the gaps. If some businesses relied so heavily on illegal labor that there is no way they can possibly survive without it, then good riddance to them.
Hillary doing the flip flop on driver's licenses for illegals hurt her and probably helped Obama catch up to her, but she could still beat Obama, even though Oprah backing Obama has taken away some of her support too, especially among women I think.
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| Dec 24, 2007 @ 2:56 AM |
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Mission_Impossible139
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To a Federalist, the only acceptable government health care is that which is provided by the several states and commonwealths of the United States.
Sounds ok at first but what happens when I go to another state? Does my health care follow me? Who co-ordinates from state to state or am I stuck in one state if I want healthcare?
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| Dec 24, 2007 @ 9:54 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Clinton urges Iowa voters to caucus on wrong day
DES MOINES (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton may have shot herself in the foot trying to get Iowa voters to pledge support to her -- she is encouraging them to go caucus on January 14, 11 days too late.
At a rally featuring her husband, former U.S. President Bill Clinton on Saturday, campaign workers asked supporters to sign and mail cards that said "Yes! I'm an Iowan for Hillary" with their contact information as well as other supportive friends.
One small problem. In the upper right-hand corner of the card, it says "I, _____, pledge to support Hillary Clinton at my precinct caucus on January 14, 2008."
Unfortunately, that's 11 days too late. The Iowa caucuses are January 3 and organization is key to getting voters to go to the events and support their preferred candidate.
The Politico.com, an Internet site that specializes in politics and first reported the mistake, said at Bill Clinton's second event on Saturday the cards had the wrong date crossed out and replaced with the correct date.
Oops...
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| Dec 24, 2007 @ 12:05 PM |
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Loreli
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Many Iowans know the right date, regardless of a screwup.
And living here, I can tell you that it IS neck in neck between Obama and Clinton.
Edwards has moved up, but his wife's illness may affect his strength, and Huckabee DID make a surprising jump up.
It will be interesting...I'm going to my caucus!
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