| Dec 22, 2007 @ 7:01 PM |
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uab_5
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U.S. has no permenant enemies! 
....as long as they roll over and lick our bunghole!
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| Dec 22, 2007 @ 10:01 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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What a damn liar! Did she have a brain f**t or what....how about Al Queda and other terrorists? 
That woman needs a brain transplant!
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| Dec 23, 2007 @ 12:40 PM |
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eastham
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Makes you wonder what she considers temporary!?
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| Dec 23, 2007 @ 1:18 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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I believe that she was refering to nations, not individuals or governments. If a nation overthrows the government that is opposed to the US, we'll forgive them their faults and welcome them into the League of Free World Nations--provided they meet certain criteria (absolute kowtowing to US global hegemony being the first...).
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| Dec 23, 2007 @ 6:38 PM |
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kjac
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You could flip that as well and say we have no permanent friends. Take Iraq for example. They went from being our bully in the middle east to our target.
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| Dec 23, 2007 @ 7:06 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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And they want us out within a decade, so they can go back to ruling their country the way they want.
Gratitude. We invade them, then impose a government on them, and they don't show us any gratitude...
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| Dec 23, 2007 @ 7:28 PM |
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uab_5
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SweetNapaGuy said:
Gratitude. We invade them, then impose a government on them, and they don't show us any gratitude...
With friends like that, who needs enemas!
The Brits are our butthole warriors after we whipped them twice (thrice if you consider the CSA as a proxy).
The Frogs are our 'friends' after they saved us from the Brits once, we whipped them once (twice if you consider the CSA as a proxy), and we kept them from singing the Horst Wassal Song in Paris!
The Cannucks are our friends after they whipped us twice (American Revolution and 1812).
The Iraqis are a bunch of ingrates!
Now, the Iranians and North Koreans, on the otherhand, should be grateful that once we're done having them give Uncle Sugar a hand job that they will no longer be enemies.
I'm not particulary fond of Dr. Ahmadinejad, but at least he's Iranian and proud of it!...not like the Shah that let every POTUSA or UK PM sexually molest him in the name of political power.
As for Condeleeza Rice...I'll be very happy to see that Birmingham, AL native outof the White House and back on the menu at Sol Azteca where she belongs!
Perdoname, senor, pero quiero and order of 'condeleeza rice' and refried beans por favor. Gracias!
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| Dec 24, 2007 @ 1:22 AM |
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RareQuestor
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I believe that she was refering to nations, not individuals or governments.
I concur. There are still quite a few nations in which enmity is hereditary. China and Vietnam, for example, have been bitter enemies for literally hundreds of years. Saddam Hussein exploited the enmity between Arabs and Iranians (Persians) to invade Iran in 1980. Russia and China both called themselves Communist, but the mutual animosity between those nations goes back hundreds of years and prevented them from accomplishing anything together. (In fact, China got the best part of the deal in that it obtained nuclear weapons more quickly than it might otherwise have.) And, of course, half the nations in Africa are plagued by tribal rivalries and hostilities that have existed for hundreds or even thousands of years. (Sudan is just the most recent example.)
America, in contrast, has a remarkable ability to forgive and forget. We fought two wars with the British and Germans and yet we are now staunch allies with both countries. We fought a war with China in Korea and yet they are now our primary supplier of practically everything we consume. We helped rebuild Japan after one of the most vicious race wars in history. (Compare this with the fate of East Germany and other Soviet satellites after Russia conquered them.) I have lost count of the number of memoirs that I have read in which former soldiers returned to Vietnam over the past twenty decades to revisit the battlefields of their youth. These men had every right to be bitter and hateful and yet in almost every account former adversaries are invariably friendly and cheerful. Our generosity has not always been altruistic, but I think that we Americans have a remarkable record of which we can be justly proud. It is a characteristic that I hope will always be a part of our national identity.
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| Dec 24, 2007 @ 1:36 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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I believe that she was refering to nations, not individuals or governments. If a nation overthrows the government that is opposed to the US, we'll forgive them their faults and welcome them into the League of Free World Nations--provided they meet certain criteria (absolute kowtowing to US global hegemony being the first...).
Here is a good foreign policy enunciated by Queen Victoria:
If they do not love us then they should at least fear us.
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 3:43 AM |
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uluulu
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"As for Condeleeza Rice...I'll be very happy to see that Birmingham, AL native outof the White House and back on the menu at Sol Azteca where she belongs!
Perdoname, senor, pero quiero and order of 'condeleeza rice' and refried beans por favor. Gracias!"
Nice!
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 4:05 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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@ KJAC
You could flip that as well and say we have no permanent friends.
President George Washington, in his farewell address, opined for America to avoid any permanent alliance. Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice says the US has no permanent enemies.
I see the parallels, but then again I have a Political Science Degree, so my opinion means nothing whatsoever.
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 5:27 AM |
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frankbarks
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The longest lasting enemies have been China yes, I view them as an enemy state, and North Korea. The 1st and 4th largest slave countries (USA second with illegals brought in to do work a citizen thinks is beneath them).
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 6:42 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Thank God the Repubs didn't persist in drafting Rice as their presidential offering for 2008, as originally planned.
I seriously doubt she ever would have gotten there, but just the thought alone was scary enough..
-MM 
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 12:49 PM |
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RareQuestor
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Here is a good foreign policy enunciated by Queen Victoria:
If they do not love us then they should at least fear us.
Oh, yeah. That policy certainly worked for the British and the Russians! 
A friendly word of advice: Humans tend to destroy that which they fear.
I am reminded of a book by the American journalist Caroline Elkins ("Imperial Reckoning: The Untold Story of Britain's Gulag") who was researching Kenya's struggle for independence. Kenya, you may recall, was once a British colony whose governors followed the policy that you advocate. When Etkins approached native Kenyans to request an interview, quite a few mistakenly thought that she was British and either ignored her or reacted hostilely--until she explained that she was actually American. At that point, their attitude changed completely and they became friendly and cooperative and she learned much more than she would have if she had been British.
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| Dec 30, 2007 @ 12:50 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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To be more precise, when someone fears us, and feels they have nothing left to lose, that's when it's especially dangerous.
Fear combined with desperation is scary...
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 2:20 AM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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To be more precise, when someone fears us, and feels they have nothing left to lose, that's when it's especially dangerous.
Fear combined with desperation is scary...
Sometimes they strike at us, somewhat innefectively (if you strike a King, make sure that you kill him) which creates a fresh opportunity for us to handle them by any means necessary.
Our enemies are thus vanquished.
@ SweetNapaGuy (this quote however, is not in context with his actual views)
. . .We invade them, then impose a government on them. . .
I concur with this blueprint for progress
[Edited on 12/31/2007 2:30 AM]
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 2:37 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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You overestimate how much resources we can put into combating the world. Eventually, wer'e going to have to have someone like us, or we'll be flooded by enemies or isolated by adversaries.
Your plans for dealing with the rest of the world will bring a much quicker end to the American superpower status than my insistence on utilizing diplomacy, coalitions, and marketing/propaganda.
To quote myself{
We invade them, then impose a government on them. . .
Then they overthrow the puppet government and set up a government they like.
Or we keep a couple hundred thousand troops in the country for a generation or two (in an area where they still remember slights from 700 years ago...) to keep the government in power.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 1:09 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Or we keep a couple hundred thousand troops in the country for a generation or two
This model worked well in Japan, and will work elsewhere as well. Once a generation or two enjoy freedom and democracy, there is no turning back to fuedalism or tyranny.
I agree where fanatacism is rampant, that pacification takes time and patience. However, Japan was also fanatical with its cult of suicide warriors but today's Japanese teens are wearing blue jeans, watching baseball, and compared to the Orient of old are a hybrid of traditional and Western thought.
This same model will work in Islamic nations as well. We just need to sift the clerics that run the mosques of any overt and closet jihadists and send them to Club Fed/Camp Rendition or an Antartic vacation Paradise without the possibility of parole.
[Edited on 12/31/2007 2:32 PM]
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 1:23 PM |
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eastham
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Today is the last day of 2007, so the tally is official. 2007 is the worst year for US troops in Iraq.
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| Dec 31, 2007 @ 2:38 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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Today is the last day of 2007, so the tally is official. 2007 is the worst year for US troops in Iraq.
But the latest casualty figures show that attacks made on Americans is dropping like a rock and all agree that the surge is working and the war is winding down. I think that I saw yesterday that 16 Americans died in December to direct gunfire, the lowest of the year so far in Iraq. For instance, I would like to know how many Americans died in Detroit, the District of Columbia, and Saint Louis in December, as a direct comparison to judge what 16 Americans killed in Iraqi violence really means, as it appears that the casualty figures are becomming much like what we see on a daily basis occuring in America's cities.
This is a time for optimism, not gloom and doom.
However, waving the bloody shirt and a prayerful hope that America will somehow still lose the War in Iraq is still the Democrat's greatest hope and dream.
Sad commentary when Americans are such defeatists and collaborators and have lost so much backbone that it is disgusting, much like the Democratic majority in Congress with their discredited Liberal leadeship who have squandered their majority and have "screwed the pooch" with regard to their wasted popularity as is evidenced by so many Republicans winning Special Elections to Congress and the American general public holding Congress to a toiletbowl level of 11% popularity, which is three times worse than the very unpopular George W. Bush.
When MoveOn.org runs out of the ability to wave the bloody shirt in Iraq, do you suppose that they will take out another full page NYT advertisement and call for the USA to withdraw from Washington D.C. to save Americans from the bloodshed occurring in the streets of that war zone, or true to type do you suppose that they will reserve their selective outrage for something that they can blame on the Republicans, since the Democrats have a stranglehold on D.C. government and should never be regarded as being the blame for the violence that is rampant and not under control within sight of the nation's Capitol Dome?
[Edited on 12/31/2007 2:45 PM]
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