| Dec 27, 2007 @ 8:48 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Heads Up!!! Iowa and New Hampshire!!
McCain is NOT your man!
Trust me on this one! If you want recovery from an unbelievably disastrous scenario, and you indeed want your country back, you need to be leaning in far better directions than that! He's probably a nice enough man, but not presidential material at all. The fact that he was a POW and perhaps could be coined a war-hero of sorts, just doesn't enter in to running international affairs, or domestic affairs either. They are very different things!
So before you vote, THINK! Deal? Ultimately you'll be very glad you did, and that you picked another candidate.
-MM 
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| Dec 27, 2007 @ 8:51 PM |
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eastham
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Get your prognostications here! Huckabee will win, but not by much in Iowa and McCain will do the same in New Hampshire.
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| Dec 27, 2007 @ 8:51 PM |
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uab_5
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Is anyone here actually live in the cornfields or New Hampsha'?
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| Dec 27, 2007 @ 9:21 PM |
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Angel54214
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I was born and raised in N.H. Beautiful state 
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| Dec 27, 2007 @ 9:34 PM |
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MusicMonster
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East states:
Get your prognostications here! Huckabee will win, but not by much in Iowa and McCain will do the same in New Hampshire.
Nahhhh.. I've spent a lot of time around Iowa, and they are pretty astute folks with big corn-fed brains. (Not to mention knock-down good-lookin').  The HuckSter is a flash in the pan, with appeal to evangelicals primarily. He's had his 10 minutes of fame, and Romney will win New Hampshire for the Repubs. Too bad Ron Paul or Duncan Hunter aren't in very strong contention for the top spot.
McCain just has nothing to offer on a presidential level, although he would have been better than Bush. He wouldn't know where to begin, or what to do next, without a lot of help, and his judgment is usually a few ticks off the mark. He'd even try to promote more illegal immigration and amnesty for all! Iowans clearly don't want that, nor do New Hampshirites. He's topped out as it is. Remember the Peter Principle? Prime example there.
-MM 
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| Dec 27, 2007 @ 10:00 PM |
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lefthandedluckie
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They sure have a bunch of daughters and all are on the trail but one! And like you I believe McCain needs to head home take what money he has left on a long vacation....while getting the hell out of the way!
The cross-dresser's daughter is backing someone else!
And that leaves Preacher Huckleberry! Hopefully fading like a 4 year old pair of jeans!
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 12:17 PM |
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Loreli
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Thanks, MM!
He was never one of my choices anyway, but education of the masses is the key to a good election. (or at least the best to be expected)
6 days til caucus!
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 1:52 PM |
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yashaenka
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Me thinks that in this election year that most of those running are not in touch with the real concerns of the American people. The Dems want us to think it is the war foremost on our minds because that is an issue they want to embrace.
It's the economy stupid, but not in the same context that Clinton used to frame it. It's in the context of ever decreasing incomes while more jobs are sent offshore, it is in the context that those hovering below, on or near the poverty income level are fighting to survive due to a unrestricted flow of cheap labor by visa over stays and illegals crossing of our borders, the penalty for which is not even a felony.
After the initial NH and Iowa caucuses which are nothing more than a few people representing the masses, this issue will come more to the forefront as the real national concern. So do not be surprised if the now front runners are left behind. History dictates that Americans vote their pocket book not there social conscious and since there is no draft the issue of the war will cease to be the main issue followed by the cost of health care.
Those are the two issues which impact everyone equally.
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 2:03 PM |
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Say_Yes
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Me thinks that in this election year that most of those running are not in touch with the real concerns of the American people. The Dems want us to think it is the war foremost on our minds because that is an issue they want to embrace.
It's the economy stupid, but not in the same context that Clinton used to frame it. It's in the context of ever decreasing incomes while more jobs are sent offshore, it is in the context that those hovering below, on or near the poverty income level are fighting to survive due to a unrestricted flow of cheap labor by visa over stays and illegals crossing of our borders, the penalty for which is not even a felony.
After the initial NH and Iowa caucuses which are nothing more than a few people representing the masses, this issue will come more to the forefront as the real national concern. So do not be surprised if the now front runners are left behind. History dictates that Americans vote their pocket book not there social conscious and since there is no draft the issue of the war will cease to be the main issue followed by the cost of health care.
Those are the two issues which impact everyone equally.
You know, I think that I agree with everything that you said. I'm not so sure that the candidates will figure it out, but that won't be a first either.
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 2:03 PM |
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Loreli
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The Dems want us to think it is the war foremost on our minds because that is an issue they want to embrace. Actually, Yash... 
I sat on a pre-caucus panel with a mix of people from all party or non-party affiliations.
Dems (there) were very concerned with healthcare, but ALL agreed the war is a big deal.
And, we should all be concerned with social security, retirement, and treatment of vets.
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 5:06 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Loreli said:
I sat on a pre-caucus panel with a mix of people from all party or non-party affiliations.
Dems (there) were very concerned with healthcare, but ALL agreed the war is a big deal.
And, we should all be concerned with social security, retirement, and treatment of vets.
Certainly worthy of a re-post!
Let me just underscore the "Treatment of Vets" which is very often overlooked, and has steadily declined, while associated fees charged to them for their treatment, increases, ever since this anti-vet administration took office.
Bush was almost nailed for that with the Walter Reed outrage matter. But somehow he once again wiggled his way free of any direct responsibility.
However McCain is a strong advocate of most of the prevailing Bush policies, including the current war.
Oddly enough, a vote for McCain is essentially a vote for a Bush re-election.
-MM 
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 5:07 PM |
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Paralegal_at_Law
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I sat on a pre-caucus panel with a mix of people from all party or non-party affiliations. Dems (there) were very concerned with healthcare, but ALL agreed the war is a big deal.
As I see it, universal economic prosperity and security from terrorism or foreign intrigue and attack will be the final trump cards in the 2008 General Election, with the War in Irag winding down to a standstill.
The assassination of Benizir Bhutto in Pakastan have awakened the realization that there are 60 nuclear warheads up for grabs in a country that harbors the Taliban leadership and the creme of Al Qaeda.
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 6:05 PM |
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Loreli
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I can't say who I am absolutely for at this point...but my phone rings non-stop! (I think LGQ should come live with me for a year!)
I spoke for 45 minutes on the phone with a gentleman from DC trying to sway me to sit in their corner at caucus. Soooo, I brought up healthcare...answer was decent..I brought up the war-answer was much like many candidates, I asked about illegal immigration....and whoa, bad answer given to me.
There are 12 million illegals in the country (if they know how many-they know who and where-right?) So explanation given was it would be a big undertaking to remove them. It would just be made certain an illegal was getting paid proper rates of pay, and not working for less in place of an American citizen.
I'm sorry, but if I break the law, I pay a fine, go to jail or prison.
And, how many homeless and/or unemployed did we have when they came here?
So, deputize or employ our own to send them back where they came from to go through the same paperwork as the legals. Win for American legal citizens.
(Ok-I'm dreaming...but...)
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 6:11 PM |
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kattsmeow
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 Loreli!
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 6:14 PM |
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Jankia
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I'm not from Iowa or New Hampshire but until somebody else with a brain shows up I suggest you do vote for McCain.Hes the best amoung the slim pickens we have for this presidential race.I only wish he had won the nomination last time.
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 6:16 PM |
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uab_5
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To heck with the damned Yankees!
I'm so voting for Huckabee on February 5!
I really was touched by the honesty of Huckabee's Christmas message!
Actually I just read his platform, so maybe not....
If Joe Biden is still in the fight, then I'm voting for him.
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| Dec 28, 2007 @ 6:29 PM |
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alivenwell351
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Here's the thing about the illegal issue...well actually any issue for that matter...
The ONLY time anything substantive is done about ANYTHING is when whatever that issue might be actually has enough people fired up that it could realistically sway enough VOTES to elect, re elect, not elect, or not re elect a bunch of people at the same time...particularly if the balance of party power is at stake...
The reason nothing has been done about the illegals...and along with it, securing our borders...is that, although it has some folks all fired up because it REALLY matters to them, it isn't important to enough people to effect any elections. Until/unless it does, votewhore politicians will blow smoke about it trying to sway the folks it matters to to vote for them, but once the election is over, it will be business as usual, and nothing will change...
This is what American politics has come to...and it's dems and repubs equally guilty of it...governing is not the top priority, getting elected or re elected is...
[Edited on 12/28/2007 6:40 PM]
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| Dec 29, 2007 @ 1:16 AM |
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MusicMonster
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...and whoa, bad answer given to me.
There are 12 million illegals in the country (if they know how many-they know who and where-right?) So explanation given was it would be a big undertaking to remove them. It would just be made certain an illegal was getting paid proper rates of pay, and not working for less in place of an American citizen.
Wrong answer!!! Bad Bad answer!!! Obviously a very Pro-Illegal answer, with an attempt to soften their position by talking 'around' reality. That represents very close to the McCain mindset. "Hey! They're here. Let them stay and make them all American Citizens, for collectively thumbing their noses at US laws and regulations. And while we're at it, let everybody else in the same way"!
There are 12 million illegals in the country
Actually that's the most conservative of figures too. A year ago the higher end suggested 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens in the US, and the low end suggested 12,000,000. Now that's grown by a year's steady flow at 3,000 to 5,000 per day X 365. So 12,000,000 is lucky if it's half of the real number at this point. But of course all of them are just rough estimates. It may be much higher than that. They significantly impact every state in the Union and thousands of American jobs everywhere, not to even mention anything about crime. And they significantly impact every existing citizen.
I think we could do a LOT worse than Biden frankly. Although that option is very unrealistic at this point. Of who is out there, and top tier, at this point I would lean toward John Edwards. Perhaps even an Edwards/Biden ticket.. And that's from an Independent point of reference, rather than Democratic. .
-MM 
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| Dec 29, 2007 @ 7:21 PM |
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Jankia
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Just to be fair and not putting down what you say in this thread,thats your opinion, but here is another "heads up" to the voters in those states.I dont know of another candidate in this election that would be willing to risk his or her life,or even die for what they believe in then someone who has been through that risk before...John McCain.
Will any other candidates take any risks before first checking the focus groups they are speaking to at the moment or the polls?I dont know of any but that kind of courage would be a well appreciated asset to me.
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| Dec 29, 2007 @ 7:25 PM |
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kjac
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McCain already screwed himself over in more ways than he can count. First, he backs the war that a vast majority of America is against. Then he admits that America is torturing people, yet refuses to take steps to stop it.
Courage? Or stupidity?
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