| Jan 6 @ 8:58 AM |
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jaybird777
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Worth a look
http://www.johnedwards.com/watch/nhdebate/
Taken from the NH debate last night
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| Jan 6 @ 9:12 AM |
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eastham
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Very interesting clip. Thanks.
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| Jan 6 @ 9:30 AM |
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MusicMonster
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That IS a good clip. I wish I hadn't missed that debate.
But they shouldn't schedule these darned things opposite the NFL Playoffs. That's just very bad timing for gaining large audiences in America.. 
The debates are ultimately more crucial, it's true, but that's just not what people are going to watch at times like that.
Let me just add a clickable link.
-MM
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| Jan 6 @ 9:42 AM |
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iam7545
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Edwards is a DOPE - any taxes or sanctions passed on to large corporations will simply figure in their pricing and be passed on to us.
He is a fool!
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| Jan 6 @ 9:55 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Surprise us Iam..
Say something with substance..
It really isn't that hard to do, with a little practice. 
-MM 
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| Jan 6 @ 11:41 AM |
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Nightowl001
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Thanks for the clip, Jay. As MM said, it is a good clip.
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| Jan 6 @ 12:24 PM |
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jaybird777
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Edwards is a DOPE - any taxes or sanctions passed on to large corporations will simply figure in their pricing and be passed on to us.
He is a fool!
Hmmm, I suspect that the Mom a the girl who died from no liver transplant would disagree.
Maybe if you were the one lyi in the hospital bed it would change yer view.
Edwards got engaged his wife's weddin ring costed a whoppin $11, but they worked their way through law school and made good.
These dats, most everyone caves in ta big money.
Edwards is one a the few (maybe the only) that is lookin out fer the regular folk.
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| Jan 6 @ 1:09 PM |
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MusicMonster
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And ultimately that may be his downfall.. He is making a lot of enemies in lobbyists and big business, by his firm stand in favor of the little guy and the middle class. He's also always stood strong for the Vets. Seems like his appeal would catch on more than it has.
But let's hope it's not his downfall. I'd suggest he's among the best choices we have this time around.
-MM
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| Jan 6 @ 1:37 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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I listened to the clip... he makes sense.. 
but this...
any taxes or sanctions passed on to large corporations will simply figure in their pricing and be passed on to us.
is hogwash... imho ..some taxes should be paid by all corporations.. and no corporation should be given a free ride.. especially when a corporation is competing with an individual
.. sanctions are not usually passed onto consumers. Most sanctions eat into profits and cash reserves... if one company has been fined..not all companies share in the payment..nor do they all raise their prices...
The best part of free enterprise is that the marketplace sets prices...
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| Jan 6 @ 2:08 PM |
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jaybird777
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It IS hogwash.
It's sorta the same idea as the old "trickle down" that if you give alla the help ta the rich ti will indirectly benefit the common folks.
As ludicrous as it sounds, many common foks bought into it.
Now we get "if you take anything away from the rich, it indirectly hurts the common folks"
More of the same hogwish.
That is way the richer get richer and the common folk is stuck in a rut. Too many er ignorant enough to beleive that crap.
Edwards makes a great point. You insurance company don't care BEANS about you. They care about the bottom line and the mult-million dollar CEO of their company
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| Jan 6 @ 4:11 PM |
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onoudn
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In my opinion I think Edwars is underestimating the American people capacity to use common sense. Frankly, I don't buy his claims as being the man for the people, agent of change, fight against the lobbyist, crap. I thinks he thinks the American people are stupid. That we're not sophiticated enough to understand that you have to work within the system to make it work. You can't just go in getting in everyone's face calling them corrupt. You have to get bi-partisan support to get anything done, that's how our goverment works.
Edwards took a cheap shot at Hillary Clinton last night. Rubbing her nose in the fact that he won Iowa and contending that it means the people have chosen him as their agent of change. Jeeeez he barely came in second. Doesn't matter to him. He put her down as attacking him because she represents the status quo and , therefore, is threatened by his message of changing Washington. What a bunch of crap. He's just saying what he thinks is going to get him elected, then he going to do what he has to do once he President, compromise.
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| Jan 6 @ 4:47 PM |
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MusicMonster
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 We sure know who you are voting for, don't we? 
Clinton DOES represent the old guarde, the D.C, Status Quo. The friend of every corporate lobbyist bearing gifts. Where do you think all her campaign funds came from? Compare that to Edwards' campaign fund, and where it came from.
I don't think too many people would dispute that Clinton is Washington-as-usual.. Doesn't make her a bad person necessarily, or her hubby either. Like she says, she's no stranger to the White House. But we need major change in government, and Clinton isn't the agent of change. She's the agent of the status quo, only under a different banner than what we have now. She says Bush is despicable, and I won't argue that point. But at the same time, she also supports most of his policies.
-MM
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| Jan 6 @ 6:08 PM |
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jaybird777
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Hillary is a non-issue at this point
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| Jan 7 @ 1:44 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Maybe. But that's what they said about McCain a while back and now they are all saying he is 'on a roll' and 'surging'..
Oddly enough, that, even though he lost badly in Iowa..  Doesn't make sense to me.
-MM 
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| Jan 7 @ 8:40 AM |
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jaybird777
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Yep, yer right. she ain't completely gone quite yet. She is definitely waning, though.
By super Tuesday, she will be out fer the count.
Time ta send her back and bake BC some cookies
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| Jan 7 @ 3:29 PM |
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vicryder
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Before you make an opinion of John Edwards, why don't you try to find out why he's more popular in Iowa than he is in North Carolina?
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| Jan 7 @ 5:22 PM |
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Loreli
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I can help you a little bit there, Vic.
Iowa has been a pretty active Union state. IBEW, SEIU, cereal workers, government Unions affiliated with AFL-CIO, etc. Edwards has been the favorite of many, many Union employees
Every year for Labor Day, the afl-cio throws a free picnic for all members. Last summer the bumper stickers for Edwards far out-numbered those for any other candidate.
I don't know how strong of Union ties NC has. But maybe?...that has a little to do with it. Truly the working man and woman in Iowa were in his court for the most part.
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| Jan 8 @ 7:23 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Edwards stands for a lot of good things for America and the common man, and most importantly a vast separation from the purely self-serving regime of the last two presidential terms. One that never should have been allowed to continue to term.
Edwards seems to be faltering a bit at the moment, if you can consider 2nd place faltering. But I predict a come-back. Just a shame though that some of them have many many times the financial resources that he does, because he chose to do it the more honorable way, even though it would naturally hurt his campaign. I hope at some point in the future these elections are no longer all about who has, or can solicit, the most money to spend.
Obama's appeal is largely a temporary love affair with an exceptionally talented orator, (America loves a Super-Hero-to-the-Rescue), more than it is substantive about what he'd really do in office. I still have some reservations about him, including of course limited experience in government and the Amnesty for Illegals issue he promotes, as does Clinton. However I still believe he might be good for this country overall, if it turns out that way. Certainly a great improvement over the status quo, in any case. I could vote for an Edwards/Obama ticket.
Right now, if you consider Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter out of the picture, on the Repub side, (Hunter is very PO'd that he got X'd from the debates, and I would agree with that), the only viable candidate remaining there in my view, may be Mitt Romney. But I have a few reservations there also. I can't even begin to rationalize how some have decided to rally back around McCain, after-the-fact. When they rejected him some months back for what he represents, they had it figured out precisely. I don't believe he has anywhere near the temperament for that position either.
I think McCain can attribute a lot of his current recovery to the perceived success of the surge in Iraq, whether that's realistic or not.
-MM
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| Jan 8 @ 7:32 AM |
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eastham
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MM said this about McCain:
Oddly enough, that, even though he lost badly in Iowa.. Doesn't make sense to me.
In my opinion Iowa won't be a bellweather of Republican race. For the past few election cycles, Iowa measured the temperature of the evangelicals rather than the Republican party as a whole. While Bush did win the caucuses 8 years ago, remember how well Pat Robertson did there and was out of the race in a few weeks time.
The evangelicals are not the kingmakers in the race overall, they just are in Iowa, just ask 8 of 10 Huckabee supporters.
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| Jan 8 @ 7:33 AM |
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eastham
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Oops, double post.
Anyway, NH is looking like a win for McCain and Obama. Romney is trying to catch McCain, but Huckabee is not. The crusty Congregationalists in NH are much harder to impress. Chuck Norris (his toupee looks like it needs a good shake off the back porch) and his frightful, glassy-eyed wife are not going over to well in NH.
[Edited on 1/8/2008 7:44 AM]
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