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jaybird777
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He was not allowed ta participate last nigh (1/6/08) but he did some good at the otherns
Ron Paul at debate on 1/5/08
Getting tag teamed afterward by FoxNews and whipping them both
Ron Paul Vc Hannity & Combs
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| Jan 7 @ 9:24 AM |
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MusicMonster
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I'm a little confused. I watched debates in NH last night which had Ron Paul included. But I didn't see any where he was not. However I did note the the Dem side debates had been whittled down to 4.. All but the top-eschelon were absent. Those were the ABC debates, re-aired on CNN. I presume from this thread there were others?
One thing that troubles me quite a bit in recent debates, that I'd like to bring up though, is the rather juvenile style of attacks and finger pointing that McCain invariably initiates. He always has to make it personal, especially with regard to Romney, and Romney calls him on it, much like correcting a child, but McCain is relentless..Sometimes there are a number of others he attacks too. He takes the position that if you don't agree with his hawkish pro-war views, or his amnesty policy, etc, you are obviously just an absolute fool!! I'd like to see the debates conducted at a much higher level than that. These debates need to be more dignified. This is, after all, about being the leader of the Free World..
McCain is much too intense and combative to be in the position he's running for.
-MM 
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| Jan 7 @ 9:25 AM |
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eastham
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FoxNoise is between a rock and a hard place, especially Sean Hannity. Their dog in the fight has always been Guiliani. The network would never have gotten off the ground if not for Guiliani's strong arming the local cable company to get them in the basic cable package. Hannity has been "performing" at Guiliani fundraisers.
Ron Paul has some glaring weaknesses -- he has a long and less than distinguished record on civil rights and gay rights as well as abortion, straying far off the liberatarian reservation of self determination on those issues. However, there does seem to be some concerted effort on the national party and Roger Ailes' part to get Paul to go away.
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| Jan 7 @ 10:09 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Ron Paul has some glaring weaknesses -- he has a long and less than distinguished record on civil rights and gay rights as well as abortion, straying far off the liberatarian reservation of self determination on those issues. However, there does seem to be some concerted effort on the national party and Roger Ailes' part to get Paul to go away.
Among the Repubs though, he has some strong and viable convictions and deserves a lot of credit for sticking to his guns. Arguably he makes the most sense of the lot. I still can't really get behind him as prez though.
With almost all of the other Repubs coming out largely in favor of Bush policy, for some reason they are failing to realize, that fact alone will lead to their downfall. By the people, Bush is considered anything but a hero, in this era of politics.
-MM 
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| Jan 7 @ 10:24 AM |
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DiamondRain
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Some of Ron Paul's ideas are excellent because some of the Libertarian's ideas are excellent.
But both he and the Libertarian party suffer from the same fatal flaw.
They think we can put our heads in the sand and protect this country by making it a fortress rather than going abroad to deal with foreign threats where they originate.
That is a suicidal policy.
If not for that, I think the Libertarians have a better platform than either of the big parties. And if not for that I could support them.
But Ron Paul himself is a tin foil hat wacko. I really don't care if he is included or not except that I would like some of the Libertarian ideas represented in the Republican platform since Libertarians have no chance of winning the office.
More importantly, Ron Paul is more likely to become a spoiler for the Republicans that anything else. Therefore I wouldn't mind seeing him trashed.
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| Jan 7 @ 10:59 AM |
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eastham
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I'm having a hard time understanding, although not as hard a time as Fox has had trying to explain, why Paul was excluded from the debate when Fred Thompson was included. Thompson trails Paul in every NH poll I've seen, yet his participation in the debate was never at issue.
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| Jan 7 @ 1:34 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Don't worry, Paul got his licks in.
His legions of loonies were parading around outside the window with Ron Paul signs when they went to a long segment with the focus group after the panel and the signs could be seen repeatedly on camera.
What a turnoff.
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| Jan 8 @ 8:00 AM |
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MusicMonster
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That's conviction for you..  Paul does have his legions.
Same thing regarding the debates happened to Duncan Hunter, and he is fit to be tied!! Seems to me too many networks are making decisions they shouldn't, favoring certain candidates over others. That shouldn't be their call to make. Sure it's their air-time, but that is not the fair choice and this isn't about commericalism..
We all know about Fox of course. But the other networks should not follow their lead.
-MM 
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| Jan 8 @ 8:04 AM |
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eastham
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It would seem to me as this was a debate specifically geared for the NH primary that the state party should have a say. And they have. The NH Republican party officially protested the removal of Paul from the stage. Hmmm.
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| Jan 8 @ 8:20 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Oddly enough, Both Paul and Hunter were apparently eliminated with Foix.
But of the two, only Hunter was eliminated with ABC..
-MM 
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| Jan 8 @ 9:54 AM |
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iam7545
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Ron Paul gets most of his money and support from neo/nazi groups and skinheads. He is an embarrassment . Of course our resident liberals are whining as most are closet skinheads! The man is a KOOK! 
As for Fox News bashing -
CABLE NEWS RACE
FRIDAY, JAN 4
VIEWERS
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FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,995,000
FNC GRETA 1,525,000
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FNH HUME 1,409,000
CNN COOPER 915,000
CNN DOBBS 859,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 845,000
CNNHN GRACE 699,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 499,000
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| Jan 8 @ 10:19 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Oh he does not!!
That's just ridiculous Iam, and I'm pretty sure you realize it, and you should be ashamed of yourself for fabricating such absurdities!! 
You do realize the difference between making up all your "facts" as you go, vs telling it how it really is? Right? If you do that for a long time, and it becomes second-nature, sometimes you can lose all track of what reality actually is.
That's the scary part.. When someone can no longer tell the difference. Once that happens, all hope is gone. Then it's time for the guys in the while coats to come knocking on your door..
-MM 
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| Jan 8 @ 10:20 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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I wish people would thoroughly research Paul's record before jumping on his bandwagon. I'm not talking about anyone here, but people my age, mostly liberal, who are like "ZOMG PAUL! HE WILL END DA WAR!"...and they don't know he pretty much hates gay people.
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| Jan 8 @ 10:24 AM |
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jimbo242
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Hey Music....haven't you learned to ignore guys like that? They require help far beyond your and my expertise................. they have a great imagination tho...as all delusional people do!
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| Jan 8 @ 10:35 AM |
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iam7545
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That's just ridiculous Iam, and I'm pretty sure you realize it, and you should be ashamed of yourself for fabricating such absurdities!!
MM - it is true - uninformed people like YOU need to spend time reading from places that tell the truth. Everyone knows that Paul's support comes from skinheads and neo nazis!
THis is what is so scary about Democracy -
People like you are allowed to vote!
LGQ - and they don't know he pretty much hates gay people.
After his anti war stance that the liberals swallow - his social positions are straight from the neo nazis and skinheads. Of course he hates gays!
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| Jan 8 @ 10:39 AM |
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DiamondRain
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All you need to do to figure out who the Republicans should dump is look at who the Democrats are pushing on the Republican side.
The Democrats want Paul and Huckabee, both doomed to lose the national against either of their two Democrat candidates.
The Republicans have already dumped Paul. They need to dump Huckabee next.
Stick with the candidates who have a shot at the big election, not ones who appeal to fringe conservatives.
That would be Romney, McCain and Giuliani, all three superb presidential material and infinitaly more qualified than anyone on the Democrat side. Don't let the Democrats manipulate the Republican game plan.
If experience, knowledge and substance have any meaning to voters, the Republicans have a HUGE advantage. But they need to keep their eye on the ball and not get sidetracked with circus acts like Ron Paul.
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| Jan 8 @ 10:40 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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The inevitable struggle between those wanting to extend suffrage to as wide a population as possible, and those who want to restrict it to those who only agree with them...
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| Jan 8 @ 10:41 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Everyone knows that Paul's support comes from skinheads and neo nazis!
Iam, you're right, he does have skinhead/neo nazi supporters....but not all of his support comes from those kinds of people. A lot of his supporters are stupid liberal kids who just want an end to the war and aren't willing to research the rest of his record.
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| Jan 8 @ 10:43 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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And a lot of the other candidates probably have skinheads in the ranks of their constituents, as well. The neo-nazis tend to congregate in the Republican party, as odious as the average Republican voter finds them.
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| Jan 8 @ 10:44 AM |
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LipGlossQueen9
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Trust me on this one...most of them are supporting Thompson, Huckabee, and Paul. Most of them that I know/have experienced on the internet, anyway.
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