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Loreli
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What I would like to know from people that spew hatred toward select parties:
How many of you go to rallies, town hall meetings, local speeches given by candidates, sign petitions, knock on doors, etc? Write letters to the newspaper, contact ANY of your Local or State reps?
Do YOU try to he;p make changes in the community and country?
Or are you JUST a certain party and HATE any candidate that is not in that party?
Wouldn't you rather just see a GOOD President...regardless of your personal party preference?
If you don't get active, are you not more guilty than any candidate you choose to hate?
Serious question-no fighting please...
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| Jan 7 @ 2:09 PM |
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sealacamp
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I am involved Loreli.
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| Jan 7 @ 2:09 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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Wouldn't you rather just see a GOOD President...
this is what I want.. 
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| Jan 7 @ 2:17 PM |
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Nightowl001
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I did write letters to the editor when I lived in a town that had a dailiy paper. I still editorialize in letters columns in national publications from time to time. I have in the past contacted my representatives, but found it somewhat unsatisfying as all I usually received in return was a form letter outlining party platform rather than a reasoned response to my message. Other times I didn't even receive an acknowledgement of receipt of my message.
In my town of 289 people, even the candidates for city mayor don't give speeches. Everyone knows everyone, knows their parents and grandparents, and there isn't much point in listening to a speech when you can just lean over and talk to them at the next table at the cafe. Anyone running for an office at a level above the municipal level doesn't come here. It's rare that Presidential candidates even stop anywhere in the state. Even when Senator Dole was running for President (the senator from my district), I think he only came and attended a couple of functions in his home state, since Kansas was such a shoe-in to vote Republican there was no need for him to campaign here.
I reach a wider audience editorializing on the net than I do with anything I can do locally.
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| Jan 7 @ 2:39 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Good thread Loreli!!
Pure partisanism and/or partisan-based hatred, impairs our decision making capability and our ability to think for ourselves. If we are simply spoon-fed the party rhetoric and invariably take it to heart as gospel, which many hard-core cases do, we are giving away our rights to make choices as free Americans.
That makes us no better than mere puppets.
-MM
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| Jan 7 @ 5:36 PM |
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eastham
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I am a member of the local taxpayers association, which weighs in on local issues such as re-zoning and the closure of the local fire house.
I have worked on Capitol Hill and regularly correspond with my current elected officials in Washington and Albany.
I have worked on political campaigns at the local, state and national levels.
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| Jan 7 @ 5:59 PM |
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kattsmeow
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How many of you go to rallies, town hall meetings, local speeches given by candidates, sign petitions, knock on doors, etc? Write letters to the newspaper, contact ANY of your Local or State reps?
Do YOU try to he;p make changes in the community and country?
I have been trying to say that in here but I get ignored.
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| Jan 7 @ 6:11 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Loreli
Speaking for my own positions I think you and some others confuse my disagreement with an ideology with "hatred" of a candidate.
It is common to hear people say something like "I vote for the candidate, not the party." That is their prerogative.
But I vote for the party.
The reason is that parties stand for at least partially standardized ideologies. And when I vote, I am voting for an ideology. To me, an ideology is more important than any individual candidate and takes precedence over any feelings I may have about any particular candidate.
Of course no party represents 100% of everything I believe. And those standards that the ideologies are composed of change over time for all parties. So it isn't a perfect science.
But all in all, even in the relatively centrist party system we have here in the US, there are at least several significant ideological differences between the two major parties. Since the issues are so significant to me, and central to my beliefs, I could never consider supporting candidates who declare themselves members of the party that opposes these ideologies. It makes no sense. I want them to lose...period.
My positions have nothing to do with hatred or fondness for any particular political candidate. That's baby stuff. My positions support the objectives of the party that most closely represents the ideology that I subscribe to in an attempt to ensure that those ideologies are supported by the governmental system under which I must live.
I have strong feelings about which ideologies are right and which are wrong for my country. My feelings about any particular candidate, or office holder, are related only to how well or how poorly they might support what I believe in. This is a rational and logical point of view. Don't confuse that with "hate," because "hate" is an emotion, not a rational position.
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| Jan 7 @ 7:18 PM |
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jaybird777
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I have sent Edwards $50 & $25
I was thinking about send Ron Paul some, ain't decided yet.
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| Jan 7 @ 7:38 PM |
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Loreli
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I'll give you that, DR-although I don't agree 100% with the theory. And that's ok. We can agree to disagree.
BUT...you are quite vocal in your "disagreement" with Democrats.
That still didn't answer my questions, my friend.
I picket, sign, make phone calls to my state rep and my Senator. I dragged my state rep to school to complain about budget cuts. He spoke to me, my mother, the teachers, and therapists. I sat on a precaucus panel because I HAVE strong beliefs about what needs improvement in this country-not just for me-but my co-workers, the teachers, my neighbors, parents, kids,etc.
I DO something...I don't sit and blanket-dislike a party.
Anyone that isn't taking part in change (besides voting) shouldn't complain about anyone that is.
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| Jan 7 @ 8:03 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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If I may....I have an issue with this statement..
I could never consider supporting candidates who declare themselves members of the party that opposes these ideologies. It makes no sense. I want them to lose...period.
how far would you go??
..even as far as rigging an election ?
or spreading lies about the oposition?
 if you found out that indeed there was computer fraud that let your party win...would you bring it out into the open? or destroy the evidence ?
If you found out that bush was a criminal.. would you still be a republican?
or would you make excuses for him?
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| Jan 7 @ 8:28 PM |
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DiamondRain
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how far would you go??
..even as far as rigging an election ?
NO, I do not condone breaking any laws.
or spreading lies about the oposition?
It seems that some people believe that, one man's lies are another man's truths so this depends on what you call a lie.
if you found out that indeed there was computer fraud that let your party win...would you bring it out into the open? or destroy the evidence ?
I would not want a victory that involved voting fraud.
If you found out that bush was a criminal.. would you still be a republican?
Yes of course. You missed my whole point about ideology versus candidate.
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| Jan 7 @ 8:35 PM |
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Gallows_Humor
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for the rest of your post....
but..
You missed my whole point about ideology versus candidate.
not really.. as the person who is chosen to run for the top office is supposed to be the best person for the job ..that the party has to offer... if the party supports a criminal... then the party has to be criminal..
( think rico here...)
and "criminal" was the key word...
(imho Nixon was not a criminal.. he just forgot who he was working for...)
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| Jan 7 @ 10:49 PM |
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Mission_Impossible139
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When a party has elected a president who has condoned torture, lied about reasons to go to war and consequently thousands of our young men and women have been wounded or killed, who will not approve health care bills for children, who has taken our country into the deepest debt in history and you wonder why people get a little excited? I would say my contempt, distaste and overall disgusted view of this president and those who follow him is totally warranted.
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| Jan 7 @ 10:54 PM |
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Loreli
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Thanks, Mission...I understand entirely.
Do you protest? Get involved to hope to make a difference in your own future?
It's all well and good to dislike a current President-even a candidate for upcoming elections-but unless each of us stands up ALL the time, elections will do nothing but give us "unworthy" candidates.
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| Jan 7 @ 10:58 PM |
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DiamondRain
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There's a perfect example about my earlier comment about the word "lie." (Mission)
Democrats throw that word around like it's a cheap whore.
To say that President Bush "lied" about the intelligence that every major intelligence organization in the world confirmed was true, cheapens the word so much as to render it impotent and meaningless.
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| Jan 7 @ 11:38 PM |
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Mission_Impossible139
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Do you protest? Get involved to hope to make a difference in your own future?
I did a lot of political activism in my past. Now, what I try to do, is express my opinions whenever I have a chance. I think that for me, setting a good example is the best way to change minds.
It appears that on the horizon, young people are waking up to the fact they have been screwed by this administration. It makes me feel very positive about the future of our country that the sleeping giant is waking and Godzilla will soon fall! I wanna party right now. 
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| Jan 7 @ 11:45 PM |
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Mission_Impossible139
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to say that President Bush "lied" about the intelligence
Geez DR, even people in your own party know Bush lies but they just don't think it's important. You have the MINORITY view.
I know you won't accept the facts but others who have not ventured into the Bush Lies website may see even more about our presidents shameful LIES.
Bush Lies; Proof beyond a reasonable doubt!
Bush Lies; Proof beyond a reasonable doubt!
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| Jan 7 @ 11:45 PM |
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DiamondRain
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Kumbaya my Lord!
It's the age of Aquarius!
Hare Krishna
Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna
Hare Hare 
Hillary Clinton Really Does Have Penis: Actual Footage! 
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| Jan 7 @ 11:57 PM |
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Jankia
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Your asking alot of questions that I cant answer easily Loreli because in local elections your voice is heard in town hall meetings and the ability to meet our Congressmen and Senators is far easier because they make themselves available.Presidential candidates dont have the time for individuals but do have the money to advertise.
I've been Republican ever since the last Democrat I felt worthy of being a president was gunned down in Dallas.I dont hate Democrats but until one runs for election that is worthy,I will stay an active republican.If Democratic Senator Feingold from Wisconsin had decided to run for this term I would vote Democrat for the first time.
Its not always just voting by party affiliation,its voting by who is worthy of the entire job,not just what I want or the majority.
You want to know what I do hate? Democrat presidents that cost me a friend in Vietnam and another that cost American agriculture billions by placing an embargo on a countries military involvement in the same country were involved in 28 years later.
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