| Jan 13 @ 7:52 AM |
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MusicMonster
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I hate to say this, but there's just an amazing level of lying to America going on with regard to McCain's position on Illegal Alien Amnesty! And it even includes Senator Lierberman of CT too, who endorses McCain, and who says McCain has never supported amnesty! Please! We can read, and we have ears!
The "Straight-Talk Express" Isn't straight-talking at all. That's just a promo phrase. A Slogan. A Jingle! If you buy it, you are only fooling yourself.
McCain did very well in the NH Primaries, yet probably a great many of those people who supported him in NH can't possibly realize how supportive of Illegal Alien Amnesty he is, Since of course America is heavily weighted against Illegal Alien Amnesty. One of his favorite things to say is "We're all God's Children, and all should be treated that way", when referring to Illegals entering the USA. He even co-sponsored a bill in 2007 to grant amnesty to millions of Illegal Aliens! One which ultimately was defeated in Congress due to public outrage. This is not something we can forget about.
Here is one of many links which defines this, as well as a video! I don't see how anyone can believe a word these people are saying, if only we do just a tiny bit of research! Let's stop the lying!!! With the level of support McCain is now getting, we owe it to ourselves to be sure we understand what he really stands for, even though that's not what he says!.
McCain & Lieberman on Amnesty + Video!
And here's a quote from thiis particular web site.
“McCain Pushes Amnesty, Guest-Worker Program,” reported the Tucson Citizen of May 29, 2003. The senator is quoted as saying: “Amnesty has to be an important part because there are people who have lived in this country for 20, 30 or 40 years, who have raised children here and pay taxes here and are not citizens. That has to be a component of it.” The newspaper also quoted McCain as saying: “I think we can set up a program where amnesty is extended to a certain number of people who are eligible and at the same time make sure that we have some control over people who come in and out of this country.”
-MM 
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| Jan 13 @ 11:04 AM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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Here's a VERY conservative website, and their take on the issue wrt the Republican candidates
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| Jan 13 @ 2:02 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Excellent Web Site Reference.. 
-MM 
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| Jan 13 @ 2:04 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Yes, thanks, SNG. I mentioned having seen that website before, but couldn't remember whom to thank for it. After you called attention to the fact you were the one who had originally posted it, I didn't thank you publicly for it. Allow me to do so.
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| Jan 13 @ 2:13 PM |
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SweetNapaGuy
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If you want, you can comment on my blog, and bump it back up to the front page. 
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| Jan 14 @ 4:51 PM |
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MusicMonster
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So, all of this considered, why on Earth is it that McCain is currently leading the pack of Republicans?
What reason could there even possibly be for that? That's as close as we can get to re-electing Bush yet another time. I was shocked when we did that the second time, and I STILL don't understand it.. And his approval numbers are still way down there in the high twenties I believe. .
What justification would anyone have, other than a spoon-fed hardcore right-winger, who never could think for himself, for doing that at this juncture, and wanting to maintain the dismal, self-destructive, status quo?
Please explain.... Because I have no clue why anyone would want McCain to be president!!
-MM
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| Jan 14 @ 4:58 PM |
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Nightowl001
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Tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, versus that greatest evil in the world, Socialized Medicine.
Well, that's why they'll vote for McCain over a Democrat. I don't know why he's leading the Republicans other than perhaps that the war and national security is one of the issues consistently showing up as most important to him and he does appear to have the most hawklike stance in that respect.
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| Jan 14 @ 5:57 PM |
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MusicMonster
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Well, McCain is about as hawkish (polite word for "war-monger") as anyone can get. That's what all but killed his bid for president a year ago. But America is supposedly in the opposite corner on that (was then, and still is), and wants the war-mongering (including Iraq) to end, and for our troops to be out. He wants to be continue fighting, and to be there for decades to come.
Add to that he is very pro-amnesty and illegal immigration. America has proven itself to staunchly oppose that as well.
He is everything Bush, America is anti-Bush.. So that's where my confusion lies in why he is the front runner at this point.. I honestly don't believe America wants another Bush all over again. I may be wrong though.. Maybe we're crazier than I think we are.
He respesents almost everything most Americans are against.. Which again, is why he was faltering so badly a year ago.. But he isn't now.. What's the big difference? And how could people be against almost all of his policies, but support him? It's a real mystery to me!
-MM
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| Jan 15 @ 9:38 AM |
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MusicMonster
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Thankfully he is down in the polls so far for Michigan at least.
If not by very much.. Some 2 points at this stage..
As is pretty clear I suspect, I think he would be an awful choice for the nominee. It just amazes me why lots of America feels otherwise at this point, when logic doesn't even begin to support that viewpoint. A year ago their assessment was right on. Nothing has changed to make it any different now.
-MM
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| Jan 16 @ 2:06 AM |
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warmplace411
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We all know that ALL the candidates are going to say and tell everyone, what they want to hear, to get elected. We have to look at their past records to see what they will bring to the future.
With the Internet, we should all be educating ourselves to their true past records. numbersusa.com gives a good voting record on the illegal situation of all the candidates, based on past performances and statements. Check it out.
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| Jan 16 @ 7:45 AM |
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eastham
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Well, the Republican race gets curiouser and curiouser as we head south. No clear frontrunner.
McCain hoped to repeat his victory in 2000 in Michigan, but to do so, he would have had to get independents to cross over and vote for him. Even given that the Democrats' primary doesn't count, independents didn't turn out for the Republicans. Didn't turn out for the Republicans in New Hampshire either. If I were the head of the RNC or the campaign director of any of the Republican candidates I would worry this was a trend.
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| Jan 16 @ 9:21 AM |
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MusicMonster
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With the Internet, we should all be educating ourselves to their true past records. numbersusa.com gives a good voting record on the illegal situation of all the candidates, based on past performances and statements. Check it out.
Are you referring in this case to McCain? While I certainly don't disagree with your post, it's very clear where he's coming from on Illegal Immigration, and has been all along. In fact he helped co-sponsor an amnesty bill for Illegals in 2007. One which was shot down in Congress under unprecedented pressure from the American public, who have repeatedly spoken loud and clear. They don't want perpetual Illegal Invasion and they don't want amnesty.
However at the moment, that stand hasn't been hurting McCain. It's almost as though the public doesn't really realize what his stands are, but merely vote on the undefined warm & fuzzies they happen to feel, or not feel, at any given time.
Once again, here's one of hundreds of links..
What I don't understand is why people's position on him seems to constantly change. A year ago he was considered pond-scum for the same views that today make him a front-runner. That includes of course permanent occupation of Iraq, amnesty for illegals, and a lot more. So he isn't changing his story, it's just that his story stinks from the outset. But the public is what's changing, with their votes.
He lost in Michigan this time by some 9%, which says that America indeed has some common sense left after all, but I'm not at all sure that pattern will hold in places like Nevada, SC and FL. In fact it very well may not.
This is just a very weird race. And the public reactions to it are incredibly unpredictable. However I reiterate, a vote for McCain is a vote to reelect George W. Bush, for all intents and purposes. There isn't very much difference.
-MM
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| Jan 16 @ 9:25 AM |
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kjac
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While the dems seem to be bouncing back and forth between Obama and Clinton, the republicans don't really have anyone that's stepped up. It's gotten so bad, they're hoping someone who isn't even in the running will jump in at the last second to save the day.
I thought Thompson was supposed to do that? 
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| Jan 16 @ 9:30 AM |
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jimbo242
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McCain and the "Straight Shitting You Express" is not only an irony, he's a joke.
Maverick....my ass! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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| Jan 16 @ 9:34 AM |
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kjac
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McCain is probably the least likely of anyone still in the race to get their party's nomination. While distancing themselves from the current administration is vital for any republican victory, McCain has not only failed to do that, but has proven to be a servant of the administration time and time again.
Ron Paul has a better chance of getting elected than him. And that's saying a lot.
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| Jan 16 @ 9:52 AM |
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MusicMonster
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McCain has not only failed to do that, but has proven to be a servant of the administration time and time again.
Exactly!!!
Ron Paul has a better chance of getting elected than him. And that's saying a lot.
I wish! But I'm not so sure.. McCain's status varies dramatically from one day to the next.. You can never be sure where he's going to be in terms of appeal to the masses, who don't seem to be looking behind the rhetoric at what he really stands for.
Isn't that "Straight Talk Express" baloney a hoot!?!?!? A maverick he ain't!! However many suggest just that slogan alone has bought him a lot of votes. It just makes people feel good to hear that..
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| Jan 16 @ 9:57 AM |
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kjac
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Right about now, I'd take Ru Paul over McCain. There was once a time he was everything he says he is. But he traded that all in when he sold his conscience to the Bush administration.
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| Jan 16 @ 10:06 AM |
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iam7545
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MM - help me here. Illegal immigration is a polarizing issue that has no party line. Most Americans are against any form of Amnesty. McCain presented a plan that he crafted with Dems that represented a compromise. We all have to admit that something has to be done with the tens of millions of illegals.
Since all of the Democrats are for amnesty in one form or another - what do you think needs to happen? If the Congress is gridlocked over it someone has to budge.
One reason that McCain does not get support from conservatives is that he will cross party lines on issues he believes in. In many ways he is A-Political.
How will we ever get out of this mess then?
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| Jan 16 @ 10:35 AM |
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jimbo242
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McCain is such a principled person that after being a life long Episcopalian he switched to Baptist..........???????? If his religion is for sale, what else is?
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| Jan 16 @ 10:49 AM |
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iam7545
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McCain is such a principled person that after being a life long Episcopalian he switched to Baptist..........???????? If his religion is for sale, what else is?
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